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RyanB

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...should be illegal.

I can't believe that people still smoke these days. Comprehensive smoking bans have been introduced to prohibit smoking in all public places like restaurants, bars, clubs, workplaces etc., even though some of these may not apply in all situations (ie, casinos).

Why are designated smoking areas out in public not a thing like they are in places like an airport? My health is important to me. I try to eat properly, exercise, get enough sleep - the whole nine, so why does someone else have the right to pollute my lungs and give me cancer? It's hard to even go out for a run without turning the block and running into a gaggle of smokers and being forced to breathe that crap in. Smoke wherever you want, but not around me!

Rant over.
 
I agree. If you want to use tobacco that's fine, use chewing tobacco or something that doesn't affect me. But smoking? Well that does affect me which really makes me unsympathetic when these bans come out.
 
How do you folks feel about vaping?
 
flyingbrit said:
Some (not me) would say that having an airplane spew lead into the air should be illegal...
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Not really apples to apples. There's no evidence that there's even remotely a high enough concentration of lead to hurt anyone. Second hand smoke? well that's pretty real.
 
flyingbrit said:
Some (not me) would say that having an airplane spew lead into the air should be illegal...
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And it will be, at some point, as soon as someone creates a fuel that meets all of the FAA's requirements. And I expect it to cost more.
 
As I live in what's considered an outdoor enthusiast's dream location, we rarely, rarely see smokers. Anytime I travel, I'm hyper sensitive to it and find public smoke terribly annoying. FYI, having recently returned from Oshkosh, there are a LOT of smokers in Wisconsin! :)
 
a572mike said:
It's slightly less annoying as it doesn't have that foul cigarette stench associated with it.
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Vapers tend to make me hungry..... And I don't vape/.
 
I don't smoke, I hate the smell of cigarette smoke, and don't like to be around it. Having said that, the amount of pollutants we breathe in every day from our cars, lawn mowers, trucks on the highway, our personal aircraft, etc., makes second hand smoke pretty much a big ol' nothing-burger healthwise unless we're talking about being trapped in a small room or vehicle with the windows closed and a chainsmoker or two. Yes, it's an annoyance and I don't like it when people smoke outside near me especially if I'm dining al fresco, but there's LOTS of things people do that I don't like or annoy me, yet I don't feel I have the right to make those things illegal. I feel the same about smoking; I don't like it, and I think it's stupid, but until it TRULY affects my health (and not just my frame of mind), I think it's wrong to tell others what they can and can't do. I'm sure I do some things that others find stupid and annoying, but I don't want anyone else telling ME that those things are illegal.
 
Dave Arata said:
FYI, having recently returned from Oshkosh, there are a LOT of smokers in Wisconsin! :)
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If you were there during Oshkosh there's a good chance most of those smokers aren't from WI ;).
 
I agree with you! Its their habit not mine so I shouldn't be subjected to it. Same with Vaping, I hate the smell and it isn't all safe either like they claim. I had thought at one time to take up chew and when I had smoke blown in my face I'd spit at their shoes. But I suppose its their right to smoke so I just try to avoid them. However I usually make a comment to them as I walk past them to get inside a door. I find most smokers, not all, are self centered with no care of how they affect others. And that's fine but don't be butthurt when I make comments about your stank.
 
You really think occasional exposure to passing second hand smoke is going to impact your health? I think the stress you're exposing yourself to worrying about it is a bigger threat to your health.
 
I don't mind the smell, I don't smoke, but as friends said, what about smokers rights?? What was once heavy advertised, protrayed to be cool and glamerous, now try to make feel like a second class citizen.

Another friend chewed, and he would spray anyone that blew smoke in his face, he was old biker, died of heart attack age 72
 
I always find it interesting the hostility toward vapers. Nearly every no smoking area these days bans ecigs. This lends me to believe that more often than not, it's not any particular health concern but rather the fact that the so-called righteous people just hate smokers (no, I don't smoke).
 
For how health and environmentally conscious Europeans are, they sure smoke a lot. Way more than Americans. Apparently Russia is even worse.

https://ourworldindata.org/smoking

My mother-in-law died from lung cancer last year. It was torture to watch her decline. I don't recommend smoking.
 
James_Dean said:
You really think occasional exposure to passing second hand smoke is going to impact your health? I think the stress you're exposing yourself to worrying about it is a bigger threat to your health.
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That occasional exposure over many years ultimately leads to cumulative adverse damage, not to mention that being exposed to second hand smoke has immediate negative effects on the cardiovascular system. Second hand smoke is a serious problem, so why should I be forced to participate in someone else’s vice?
 
Ryanb said:
That occasional exposure over many years ultimately leads to cumulative adverse damage, not to mention that being exposed to second hand smoke has immediate negative effects on the cardiovascular system. Second hand smoke is a serious problem, so why should I be forced to participate in someone else’s vice?
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I suspect that the average person is exposed to dozens, if not hundreds, of brief chemical insults every day. Vehicle exhaust fumes, industrial emissions, traces of industrial wastes in groundwater, dry-cleaning solvents, paint fumes, pesticides (especially in rural areas), offgassing from plastics, chlorine from swimming pools and laundries, cleaning solvents and their fragrances, printer ink and toner... The list is endless. But the body can deal with most of these minor insults without damage.

I think the difference with smoking is that it has to do with a visible behavior that the aggrieved person happens not to like, so it becomes more personal. If you buy a new car, you'll probably be exposed to more toxins in the first month of driving it from all the hydrocarbons offgassing than from all the second-hand smoke you'll breathe in your lifetime. But there won't be a visible target for your anger.

Rich
 
RJM62 said:
I suspect that the average person is exposed to dozens, if not hundreds, of brief chemical insults every day. Vehicle exhaust fumes, industrial emissions, traces of industrial wastes in groundwater, dry-cleaning solvents, paint fumes, pesticides (especially in rural areas), offgassing from plastics, chlorine from swimming pools and laundries, cleaning solvents and their fragrances, printer ink and toner... The list is endless. But the body can deal with most of these minor insults without damage.

I think the difference with smoking is that it has to do with a visible behavior that the aggrieved person happens not to like, so it becomes more personal. If you buy a new car, you'll probably be exposed to more toxins in the first month of driving it from all the hydrocarbons offgassing than from all the second-hand smoke you'll breathe in your lifetime. But there won't be a visible target for your anger.

Rich
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Exactly, and irrefutably. I hate cigarette smoke, too, but that hate doesn't give me or anyone else the right to distort facts. There's an allegory in there somewhere... ;)
 
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Dave Arata said:
As I live in what's considered an outdoor enthusiast's dream location, we rarely, rarely see smokers. Anytime I travel, I'm hyper sensitive to it and find public smoke terribly annoying. FYI, having recently returned from Oshkosh, there are a LOT of smokers in Wisconsin! :)
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Interesting. Where might that be? I also live in what is considered an outdoor enthusiast's dream location, and I see smokers all the time and have to suffer through breathing their "emissions".

Not doubting what you say... more just feeling envious, and wondering what location is so blessed.
 
Ryanb said:
That occasional exposure over many years ultimately leads to cumulative adverse damage, not to mention that being exposed to second hand smoke has immediate negative effects on the cardiovascular system. Second hand smoke is a serious problem, so why should I be forced to participate in someone else’s vice?
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I hate smoking too. Just a nasty habit. But we all have habits or hobbies that have a negative impact on others. Minimize the exposure and move on...
 
RJM62 said:
I suspect that the average person is exposed to dozens, if not hundreds, of brief chemical insults every day. Vehicle exhaust fumes, industrial emissions, traces of industrial wastes in groundwater, dry-cleaning solvents, paint fumes, pesticides (especially in rural areas), offgassing from plastics, chlorine from swimming pools and laundries, cleaning solvents and their fragrances, printer ink and toner... The list is endless. But the body can deal with most of these minor insults without damage.

I think the difference with smoking is that it has to do with a visible behavior that the aggrieved person happens not to like, so it becomes more personal. If you buy a new car, you'll probably be exposed to more toxins in the first month of driving it from all the hydrocarbons offgassing than from all the second-hand smoke you'll breathe in your lifetime. But there won't be a visible target for your anger.

Rich
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That’s right, the pollution is bad enough, cigarette smoke, being one of the few controllable external factors, doesn’t need to make it worse.
 
Ryanb said:
What rights? What about my rights as a non-smoker?
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Not being snarky again.. I know I come off that way at times, but I'm not putting you down, just curious. Where do you stand on censorship on cable or broadcast TV? Is stuff that offends some people allowable and the offended then have the right to change the channel, or since it offends some people should it be censored? I, personally, am much more offended by profanity in public than I am by a whiff of cigarette smoke. Does the person using vulgarity have the right to do so, or do I have the right to make them stop using those words? I understand your position, your distaste for smoke, and your feeling that it's physically harmful to you (although that just isn't so in the amount we're talking about... but I understand the feeling). I guess what I'm saying is that, unfortunately, we all don't have the right to be free of ever being offended.
 
HI I FLY THE LOUDEST PLANE ON THE RAMP BUT AT LEAST IT'S HAPPY SEE THE ENGINES HAVE SMILEY FACES!!!

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I CAN LEAVE THE ENGINES AT 100% RPM FOR GROUND IDLE INSTEAD OF 66% IF YOU FIND THE NOISE OFFENSIVE

:D
 
azure said:
Interesting. Where might that be? I also live in what is considered an outdoor enthusiast's dream location, and I see smokers all the time and have to suffer through breathing their "emissions".

Not doubting what you say... more just feeling envious, and wondering what location is so blessed.
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If he works for EI he lives in Oregon.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
HI I FLY THE LOUDEST PLANE ON THE RAMP BUT AT LEAST IT'S HAPPY SEE THE ENGINES HAVE SMILEY FACES!!!

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I CAN LEAVE THE ENGINES AT 100% RPM FOR GROUND IDLE INSTEAD OF 66% IF YOU FIND THE NOISE OFFENSIVE

:D
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And you don't burn lead either.
 
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MuseChaser said:
Not being snarky again.. I know I come off that way at times, but I'm not putting you down, just curious. Where do you stand on censorship on cable or broadcast TV? Is stuff that offends some people allowable and the offended then have the right to change the channel, or since it offends some people should it be censored? I, personally, am much more offended by profanity in public than I am by a whiff of cigarette smoke. Does the person using vulgarity have the right to do so, or do I have the right to make them stop using those words? I understand your position, your distaste for smoke, and your feeling that it's physically harmful to you (although that just isn't so in the amount we're talking about... but I understand the feeling). I guess what I'm saying is that, unfortunately, we all don't have the right to be free of ever being offended.
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I’m not concerned about what’s broadcasted on television because it has zero impact on my health.
 
Ryanb said:
That’s right, the pollution is bad enough, cigarette smoke, being one of the few controllable external factors, doesn’t need to make it worse.
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Ah, yes, control, the root of most of the world's problems since time immemorial.

The thing is that there's only so far we can go in controlling the behaviors of others. Freedom means accepting that other people have it, too; and therefore none of our worlds will be exactly what we'd like them to be.

My suggestion is to hold your breath and stop stressing. You're probably causing yourself more harm that the smoke would do.

Rich
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
And you don't burn lead either.
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And I inject jet fuel directly into the clouds! CHEMTRAILS!

AND IF THATS OFFENSIVE I CAN BURN EVEN MORE FUEL AT A HIGHER POWER SETTING!!!
 
Look, I’m happy that I can turn to this outlet when I feel the need to vent and that y’all will listen to me.

As suspected, the smokers and ex-smokers stick up for their habit and support the ones who agree with their habits. I didn’t expect any different.

:)
 
Both my parents were three-packs-a-day unfiltered Camel smokers. The carpets and drapes in our home smelled like a dirty ashtray, and there was a brown icky nicotine film on all the window panes. It's a nasty, dirty, expensive habit that kills; emphysema from her smoking killed my mom at 55. I was the middle of five children and none of us ever picked up the habit, but my older brother died of lung cancer at 72 likely caused by second hand smoke to which he was exposed as a child according to his oncologist. I developed hypersensitivity from my exposure as a kid and can smell a lit cigarette a half a block away; it stings my nostrils. In the sixties I'd come home from a night on the town and my clothes and my hair stank of stale tobacco, so the clothes went in the dirty laundry hamper and I had to take a shower and wash my hair before going to bed.

Those days are history thanks to no smoking ordinances in most public places.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
You all need one of the plastic balls to roll around in and protect yourself.

And just so we are all on the same page. It’s the GD out doors . You don’t want to smell my cigarette because of your paranoid delusions of health risk then you can walk the other way and go F off. You don’t like it. Tough S. I don’t care what you think of me or my choices. Fing self righteous narcissistic pricks.
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Difference of opinion. Some here can accept them like grown men while others fire off and make statements like that. You must be a real nice guy to hang around.
 
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