Proposed Traffic Pattern Altitude - Chart Supplement changes

Nothing earth shattering is it? That's pretty much what everyone uses now. Some have 800' agl. Sounds like another "let's change it because it ain't broke" or make busy to me.
 
Looks like they threw a little bit of 90-66A in there.
 
Why do they say "propeller driven" when they really mean Piston Powered? Kinda like how everyone, even the FAA, likes to confuse IFR with IMC.
 
What is actually mandated by a traffic pattern altitude?

If it is 1000' , when, where, and how long must one be at 1000?
 
JoseCuervo said:
What is actually mandated by a traffic pattern altitude?

If it is 1000' , when, where, and how long must one be at 1000?
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Recommended 1000 ft. Downwind and maintain until abeam approach end.
 
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JoseCuervo said:
Yes. Seriously.

What, when, and how long?


If you do t know, just say so, and you can learn.
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Haha funny man. I'm a CFII so I know. Maybe you need to read a book or get together with a CFI.
 
mscard88 said:
Haha funny man. I'm a CFII so I know. Maybe you need to read a book or get together with a CFI.
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I will. Every two years I fly with a CFI.

Cost me $50. I have to listen to him talk about how great of a pilot he is.

He spends one hour on the ground telling me how good a pilot he is.

Then we go fly around and letting me watch how good of a pilot he is.

Sounds like you don't know the answer though.


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I'm not sure this is a good idea:

"As part of the review of the issue, ACF members agreed that only TPAs that deviate from the recommended altitudes described above should be published in the Chart Supplement."
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Also, the recommended altitudes should be referred to as height above the airport, not height above ground level, which can be ambiguous when the airport is surrounded by mountains or hills.
 
mscard88 said:
Yup I suppose you're right. :rolleyes:
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With lack of evidence to indicate otherwise, yes



It was a legitimate question.

The fact you can't answer it is interesting.


I guess my next question would be on the relaxing standards for CFIs.


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JoseCuervo said:
Recommended ?

That is why I asked "mandated".

When to get to 1000'. Where?
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Yes, the 4-3-3 altitude or the AC recommend 500, 1000 or 1500 ft pattern altitudes are all recommended.

As far as when to get to 1000, 4-3-3 states on entry. I take that to mean downwind, especially since the AC says to maintain it on downwind until abeam the approach end.
 
When did the AFD become Chart Supplement? Or is that a proposed change along with the traffic pattern?
 
jordane93 said:
When did the AFD become Chart Supplement? Or is that a proposed change along with the traffic pattern?
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Awhile back. See what happens when you go to the airlines? You lose touch with GA. ;)
 
jordane93 said:
When did the AFD become Chart Supplement? Or is that a proposed change along with the traffic pattern?
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A few months back, just us trying to be more like the inferior European/Asian air systems.

As for the voluntary TPA, I've always just added 1k to the field altitude.
 
Velocity173 said:
Yes, the 4-3-3 altitude or the AC recommend 500, 1000 or 1500 ft pattern altitudes are all recommended.

As far as when to get to 1000, 4-3-3 states on entry. I take that to mean downwind, especially since the AC says to maintain it on downwind until abeam the approach end.
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Thanks. I think close traffic is easy.

But not sure what is mandated in other situations and patterns.

And if mandated is even the right word, or if everything is recommended.


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James331 said:
A few months back, just us trying to be more like the inferior European/Asian air systems.

As for the voluntary TPA, I've always just added 1k to the field altitude.
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For which part of the traffic pattern?


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mscard88 said:
Awhile back. See what happens when you go to the airlines? You lose touch with GA. ;)
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James331 said:
A few months back, just us trying to be more like the inferior European/Asian air systems.

As for the voluntary TPA, I've always just added 1k to the field altitude.
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I am behind the times
 
JoseCuervo said:
I will. Every two years I fly with a CFI.

Cost me $50. I have to listen to him talk about how great of a pilot he is.

He spends one hour on the ground telling me how good a pilot he is.

Then we go fly around and letting me watch how good of a pilot he is.

Sounds like you don't know the answer though.


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Sounds like you're dedicated to staying sharp, Cuervo. Please tell me you don't fly in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic.
 
paflyer said:
Sounds like you're dedicated to staying sharp, Cuervo. Please tell me you don't fly in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic.
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I think I'm allowed to fly anywhere in the lower 48 states.

Maybe not the DC area.


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JoseCuervo said:
For which part of the traffic pattern?


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uhhh, not 100% sure what youre asking but

the altitudes (cross wind, down wind, base, final) are all recommended, you can watch a AG guy, a cub, or seaplane, fly a lower than a high and huge bomber/172 pattern with your favorite FSDO dude all day, its 100% legit

now the DIRECTION, that's a different matter, flying right traffic on a left traffic runway, that can, and has, put people in the cross hairs of the feds, and for good reason.
 
James331 said:
uhhh, not 100% sure what youre asking but

the altitudes (cross wind, down wind, base, final) are all recommended, you can watch a AG guy, a cub, or seaplane, fly a lower than a high and huge bomber/172 pattern with your favorite FSDO dude all day, its 100% legit

now the DIRECTION, that's a different matter, flying right traffic on a left traffic runway, that can, and has, put people in the cross hairs of the feds, and for good reason.
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Thank you.

It became obvious MSCard didn't know.

I had always thought it was recommended. But then wondered if there was something mandated.




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About the only thing is the codification in the AIM that 1000' is the default altitude. I believe they're already omitting the TPA entry in the CS when the master record puts it at 1000 AGL.
 
Personally I think we are better off without a strict pattern altitude. Everyone flying at the same altitude? More chance of collision.
 
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