NZ skydivers bail out over Lake Taupo as plane crashes

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Roy Clements, chief executive of Skydive Taupo which organised the trip, said in a statement: "A skydiving plane encountered an engine problem shortly after take-off.

"All parachutes including the pilot exited the plane and landed safely," the statement added.

The plane was carrying six crew who jumped with the six passengers strapped to them as planned.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30706236

Are skydive pilots required to wear a parachute?
 
They are in the US, and it has proven useful in several instances in the past.
Surprised the pilot bailed for an engine failure, but good for him.
Also that they all got good chutes, if it happened right after t-o.
 
Depends on the STC for the door, also a pilots rig it's a different type of rig compared to tandems or sport jumpers, just a container and reserve which opens hard and fast, it's also much thinner and flat for comfort while seated. It's just common sense to wear one for DZ ops regardless.

Stuff happens

Dude flying wasn't wearing a rig and actually had to land this 206 in South Africa

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Here is another example of why it's a good idea for everyone to wear a chute. Especially when the pilot doesn't know how to fly formation properly and almost kills everyone!

 
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9.9 times out of 10 it's a jumper not watching his handles, or wingsuiter exposing too much wing and hitting the tail.
 
Tandems pffft Well at least they didn't leave anyone behind...
 
Nice thing that thing has a nice door for the pilot. It could have been rough following everybody out the back door. PACs don't apparently have that good ditching behavior. Probably better to get out if you can.


It wasn't a jumper-induced crash this time. Everybody apparently safe inside.

NZ actually has more stringent rules for jump plane pilots. There's a specific rating they need plus currency.
 
Nice thing that thing has a nice door for the pilot. It could have been rough following everybody out the back door. PACs don't apparently have that good ditching behavior. Probably better to get out if you can.


It wasn't a jumper-induced crash this time. Everybody apparently safe inside.

NZ actually has more stringent rules for jump plane pilots. There's a specific rating they need plus currency.

In the US I've never seen a DZO let someone fly jumpers without training and being somewhat current, even if he would his insurance wouldn't. In NZ and most of the eurotarts even require a type rating for a lil Cesna 150 :rofl: Nothing to look up to, making regs just to make more regs is the death of GA.
 
It's a special DROP PILOT currency not just the US-style recent flight experience.

While a rating is probably overkill, a similar endorsment like is required for glider tow pilots wouldn't seem to me to be unwarranted. THere's no specific requirements for jump pilots.

61.69 puts requirements on glider tow. Other operations such as banner tow, etc... reqiure specific waivers. Any guy with a pilot certificate can claim he's a jump pilot in the US without demonstrating any training or ability. Of course, there's no requirement to have any certification to jump out of the plane either. Similar to the scuba certifications, all the parachute stuff is voluntary.
 
"All parachutes including the pilot exited the plane and landed safely," the statement added.

The plane was carrying six crew who jumped with the six passengers strapped to them as planned.
Sooo...
Is the pilot not part of the crew?
Is the pilot part of the crew and he had someone attached to him?
Is the pilot not part of the crew and he was attached to someone else who was part of the crew?
 
Typical lousy press. The pilot jumped in addition to the six tandem rigs. Very lucky. That's a lot of people to get out at 1300'. Tandems are not typically hooked up at take off, so they needed to do that in addition to getting out the door.
 
Here is another example of why it's a good idea for everyone to wear a chute. Especially when the pilot doesn't know how to fly formation properly and almost kills everyone!


That is the scariest thing I've seen in awhile. Especially this image:

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Typical lousy press. The pilot jumped in addition to the six tandem rigs. Very lucky. That's a lot of people to get out at 1300'. Tandems are not typically hooked up at take off, so they needed to do that in addition to getting out the door.
1,300 meters.
 
I still wonder what the pilot faced, that he decided to jump rather than glide down in the airplane. Esp if 1300 meters vs feet.
 
What kind of plane? I didn't see where that was mentioned.
 
Was it here that I saw the thread long ago about the meat-bomb pilot who makes the crazy landings? Definitely didn't look safe, but it was cool to watch. I'll have to do some YouTube and see if I can find it, because I cannot find the thread.
 
Was it here that I saw the thread long ago about the meat-bomb pilot who makes the crazy landings? Definitely didn't look safe, but it was cool to watch. I'll have to do some YouTube and see if I can find it, because I cannot find the thread.

The guy in the king air, he looked like he knew what he was doing and had plenty of energy.

Didn't look safe? To someone who doesn't know anything about acro the plane in your avatar looks out of control and unsafe :dunno:


Surprised it's a PAC, wonder what caused that PT6 to fail, hoping it wasn't something like running it too low on fuel.

So is the pilot now qualified to join the Caterpillar Club?
Indeed
 
Was it here that I saw the thread long ago about the meat-bomb pilot who makes the crazy landings? Definitely didn't look safe, but it was cool to watch. I'll have to do some YouTube and see if I can find it, because I cannot find the thread.
These are my favorite:
Inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPGSzLhCKlc
Outside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1NEOwDwapk
1300 meters is a lot better, but it's still low 4200 feet or so.
I agree.
The guy in the king air, he looked like he knew what he was doing and had plenty of energy.

Didn't look safe? To someone who doesn't know anything about acro the plane in your avatar looks out of control and unsafe :dunno:


Surprised it's a PAC, wonder what caused that PT6 to fail, hoping it wasn't something like running it too low on fuel.


Indeed
Or the gearbox.
 
These are my favorite...


Exactly what I was talking about. Nice!

Fun to watch, looks crazy.

Anyone have any idea if he's off his rocker, or if that's par for the course for that plane? I don't even know what kind of plane it is.
 
Exactly what I was talking about. Nice!

Fun to watch, looks crazy.

Anyone have any idea if he's off his rocker, or if that's par for the course for that plane? I don't even know what kind of plane it is.
Neither. Dornier Do28.
 

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Thanks for that.

I can't find much info on that plane being aerobatic or not, except for this excerpt from Flying magazine in August 1962 (attached).

There is an old POA thread about this plane here, but still not too much info: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50900

It's quite a pattern and approach even if the plane is so rated.

What exactly does it have to be rated for? I didn't see anything that distinctly exceeded any limitations. Believe it or not, a lot of airplanes are more capable than what are "rated for."
 
What exactly does it have to be rated for? I didn't see anything that distinctly exceeded any limitations. Believe it or not, a lot of airplanes are more capable than what are "rated for."


Perhaps "rated" was the wrong word to use. And being that this is from a camera with a passenger happy to be moving it around, some things may not be as they seem. But what intrigues me is...

-His initial "dive". It looks like he does a slight roll and short dive as soon as the jumpers bail. Would that not be considered aerobatic maneuvers? I don't know, hard to tell. But if it is, how many airplanes have you been in that are placarded "No aerobatic maneuvers, including spins, approved."?

-What looks like high speed. The video is 3:50. Taking the time away for the jumpers and his taxi, how fast does he get down from altitude? 2-2 1/2 minutes? Doesn't that seem a little quick to you to get down from jumping altitude? Granted I don't know what they're jumping in this video, but it doesn't look to me like they're at 2500 or below when he starts his descent.

Granted, all this is to my interpretation of a crappy video with the passenger moving it around, and a little penguin (?) flying around on the windshield. I'm just curious if this Dornier is certified acrobatic, or if what the pilot is doing is so considered. Don't know if I'll get the answer to either, and I'm not nitpicking, but I am curious.

Aside from that, I would be uncomfortable riding with him in his approach. I have to wonder about:

1) The speed is coming into the pattern (if you could call it that)
2) The bank angle on the turn into final
3) The altitude above the trees before his turn onto final

It's a cool video, love to watch it. Not sure I'd be comfortable flying with the guy or if what he's doing is considered safe. Looks cool every time he does it until the one time he doesn't make it.
 
SOP for flying jumpers. More patterns are flown like that in a year then normal ones by all the people that ever posted here.
 
SOP for flying jumpers. More patterns are flown like that in a year then normal ones by all the people that ever posted here.

:yeahthat:

Most high end DZOs aren't a fan of hotdogging the planes, more of a mx and bad press thing.

That said, I'd rather do simple pattern work with someone like the guy in the vid then most engineer/PPL types.
 
Very well could be their SOP, I wouldn't be one to argue that. I've only seen two, maybe three jumper planes land, and they weren't done like that.

I would still not be sitting next to a pilot that did that, though. SOP or not, he's asking for trouble.
 
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What exactly does it have to be rated for? I didn't see anything that distinctly exceeded any limitations. Believe it or not, a lot of airplanes are more capable than what are "rated for."

Who was the guy that barrel rolled a B-707 in front of potential customers?

I read that he was asked how he knew the 707 would do a barrel roll, he replied something like, I tried it before I got to the showing area.......:crazy:
 
Very well could be their SOP, I wouldn't be one to argue that. I've only seen two, maybe three jumper planes land, and they weren't done like that.

I would still not be sitting next to a pilot that did that, though. SOP or not, he's asking for trouble.


Of the political or real kind?
 
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