North route to cross the Rockies

New guy to the forum shows up and tells everybody they don't know anything . Sounds like some other ahole that showed up here a few years ago.
 
EdFred said:
New guy to the forum shows up and tells everybody they don't know anything . Sounds like some other ahole that showed up here a few years ago.
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Thanks for making me feel welcome.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Why would you think he doesn't? His post seems pretty clear to me: Stay in VMC *and* fly it VFR, with reasons given.
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Read the thread. Show me where I suggested she fly IMC. I gave an IFR route she could take which is over lower terrain over the Rockies, and she could fly it on a clear day, she could fly it without filing IFR. It's about obstacle clearance and VOR reception. It's also a route that has good landing options for fuel, and I even state in my original post that if she sees valleys or "canyons", she could get through lower.

Tom-D is the one who doesn't know the difference between IFR route and IMC. I never suggested she fly it in IMC. Tom-D doesn't know the difference, so he implied that and I corrected him.
 
ThereByAir said:
And no... it's not about radar coverage. MEA won't be adjusted for radar coverage.
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yer right, partly, they set the 13000'MEA on v-2 because they can not see you to give coverage on a IFR flight plan. And ATC will not alter that just because you are IMC, Your on a fly plan, you'll be at or above MEA. that is why they call Minimum enroute Altitude.

You don't believe me call Seattle center it's their coverage.
 
ThereByAir said:
Read the thread. Show me where I suggested she fly IMC. I gave an IFR route she could take which is over lower terrain over the Rockies, and she could fly it on a clear day, she could fly it without filing IFR.
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If you are suggesting she use V-2 or V120 Eastern Wa. to SEA, on a clear day, You really haven't done your home work. Because there are lots lower ways across on a clear day.
and If you still want to talk rockies, crossing on a clear day, The 150/150 will do Rock Springs to Burley Id. easy. Or the I-90 route is an easy do.
Look out the window and go. Talk to those you must.
The only rule she must comply with is Weather Weather go where and when it allows.
 
Skyrys62 said:
What's really shocking, is that someone agrees with @Tom-D :eek:

Just kiddin Tom!

Seriously though, the OP asked for suggestions. Everyone, including you, is giving theirs.

That's one of the many reasons I like PoA.
Every time I log on I call it my GUMPS check.... cause it's like a box of chocolates!
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Chocolate? Where? Dark or milk? Nuts or plain?
 
Tom-D said:
yer right, partly, they set the 13000'MEA on v-2 because they can not see you to give coverage on a IFR flight plan. ... that is why they call Minimum enroute Altitude.

You don't believe me call Seattle center it's their coverage.
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Wrong.
 
ThereByAir said:
Read the thread. Show me where I suggested she fly IMC. I gave an IFR route she could take which is over lower terrain over the Rockies, and she could fly it on a clear day, she could fly it without filing IFR. It's about obstacle clearance and VOR reception.
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IMO, flying a Victor airway over the mountains is NOT the way to go if you're VFR. It's there for situations where the mountains cannot be seen, and there are much better methods for flying in and around mountains when you can see them. Have you ever taken a mountain flying course and flown around large mountain ranges?
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Have you ever taken a mountain flying course and flown around large mountain ranges?
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Here's a screenshot of my logbook the last month...

I flew as a Cadet in Civil Air Patrol, Utah wing. Did all my initial flight training in Utah 20 years ago...

I tried to count how many times I've crossed the rockies, and I can't think of all of them. I thoroughly enjoyed each time. It's really neat flying.

And more relevant to this post, I have crossed the rockies in a Cessna 150. From up in Prince George BC down the Mackenzie Trench, through Glacier National Park, and finally crossed near Great Falls MT.


Have you?
 

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This was Tuesday morning this week. Awesome scenery near Taos New Mexico. That is the Rio Grande River Gorge just before our final crossing over the highest terrain on the route we chose. We went over this last ridge at 13,000', which saved us about 20 minutes vs flying further south near ABQ.
 

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He'll fly down the trench, but won't fly thru a pass.

WTF
 
Tom-D said:
He'll fly down the trench, but won't fly thru a pass.

WTF
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Tom, I have to honestly question if you're even a pilot. You don't know basic terminology, and that was my first indication. But moreover, in my over 20 years of flying, I have NEVER met a pilot who treats others the way you do.
 
I'll allow you to believe what you wish, But I have been flying for 65 years, and most likely have more Time tracking Ocean ship November than you'll ever log.

I'm not the one who advised to use a victor airway in VMC conditions while over high mountain range.
The only mistake I've made here is assuming any pilot would do that.

V-airways are a tool in the IFR toolbox, when in a 150 why would you advise anyone to use the system while in VMC ?

Simply doesn't make sence.
 
Tom-D said:
V-airways are a tool in the IFR toolbox, when in a 150 why would you advise anyone to use the system while in VMC ?

Simply doesn't make sence.
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Airways are established charted routes between VOR's. MEA's are studied and published altitudes on those airways that assure 2 things... Adequate signal coverage and obstacle clearance.

Why would only a VFR pilot not want to use those things? Especially one who is unfamiliar with the terrain.
 
George Mohr said:
How do these threads so reliably devolve into a wizzin’ contest?
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I haven't spent any time on this forum, but I'd be willing to bet the threads that dissolve into crap, you'll find some familiar names on them... but you won't find mine. Look for the common denominator and it will be no mystery.
 
Sounds just a bit Trollish to me, but then what do I know.

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ThereByAir said:
Airways are established charted routes between VOR's. MEA's are studied and published altitudes on those airways that assure 2 things... Adequate signal coverage and obstacle clearance.

Why would only a VFR pilot not want to use those things? Especially one who is unfamiliar with the terrain.
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Because the smart ones can look out the window.
 
ThereByAir said:
Airways are established charted routes between VOR's. MEA's are studied and published altitudes on those airways that assure 2 things... Adequate signal coverage and obstacle clearance.

Why would only a VFR pilot not want to use those things? Especially one who is unfamiliar with the terrain.
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You said it: Airways give you adequate signal and obstacle clearance. They do NOT ensure that the terrain below you is hospitable at all in the event of a forced landing. IMO it is much safer to follow roads or visible terrain that could allow for a successful emergency landing. When it's IMC, you can't do that, so you either accept the increased risk and fly the airways, or you don't go. But, that doesn't make airways the best option in VMC. That's not what they're designed for.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
it is much safer to follow roads
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Unless you're in a headwind flying a C-150 and watching the cars pass you up will make you want to shoot yourself ;)
Just joking...I agree with your entire post.

Kidding aside, poor @Jenny Law (another J-Law?)...for having to endure this unraveled thread amidst her excitement.
However, it is probably triggering some deep analyzation.

But mostly, kudo's to her for being both diligent in training/getting information, and for having the courage for such a cool adventure....pretty awesome.
 
Van Johnston said:
But mostly, kudo's to her for being both diligent in training/getting information, and for having the courage for such a cool adventure....pretty awesome.
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Yeah That. !
 
I hope you all are proud of yourselves.

As a teenager I watched my father get his private pilot license just because it was his dream. 5 days later he took me for a .9 hour flight, and that was the only time he ever flew as pilot in command because he couldn't afford to do it any longer. It sparked that love for aviation and I'm grateful to have been able to keep it alive and fly regularly now, including taking my dad on flights he would never otherwise be able to go on.

I came to this forum to share my passion and love for aviation through our Youtube videos, which we have put a lot of time and effort into, hoping to inspire other pilots or aspiring pilots. I make one post offering a route I would take over the rockies in a Cessna 150 (something I have done myself), and I am attacked, taken out of context, ridiculed, called an A-hole, called stupid, and my experience questioned based on those false inferences and accusations.

Absolutely unbelievable treatment of another pilot. How you can even call yourselves pilots is beyond me, and from some of you I have seen little evidence you even are. Even if I was 100% wrong in everything I said, you should be ashamed of yourselves for how you've treated me.

There's one thing we can all discuss and agree on, and that's how to get me off of this forum for good. Y'all spend a lot of time on here, so you're the experts. How do I close my account for good and be done with all this? I've emailed the administrators several times and have not gotten a single response. Please let me know how to terminate this and we can all move on.

Over and out.
 
When you can't take criticism for what you write, you are probably taking the right action.
 
dude, just go away if you want to, stop continuing to make a big scene about it. otherwise quit yer frigin whining and enjoy the sh*tshow. fookin A.
 
ThereByAir said:
Even if I was 100% wrong in everything I said, you should be ashamed of yourselves for how you've treated me.
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Yet when you believe @Tom-D is wrong, you blast him??

Pot calling the kettle black.



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oh...that last one will probably get me counseled (council'd?)
 
It’s quite common for people to challenge your opinion, both on and off the internet. No need to make a fuss about it or get bent out of shape.
 
ThereByAir.......I'll just say this. You mentioned that you came here to share your flying Youtube videos to inspire us. Nothing wrong with that. Just realize that you come to a forum that is a pretty wide mix of aviators, with different backgrounds, different experience levels, and different techniques. Your's are no more right than the next guy's. Your level of experience does not speak for itself. Many of us have been flying professionally for many years. Coming on here as the guy that nobody knows, and commencing arguments that evolve into personal attacks, and doubting our aviating abilities based on no evidence at all, endears nobody to your goal of "inspiring". If you want to leave, just don't log in, it isn't that complicated. If you want to chill out a little bit and share your experience while being open to others, you should stay. Your choice.
 
ThereByAir said:
Please let me know how to terminate this and we can all move on.

Over and out.
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Really? Are you new to the Internet or something? :dunno:

While I agree that Tom started the foolishness there at posts 37 and 38, you didn't exactly help the situation thereafter. Maybe, if you want to share your experiences (and I think you should), you should just learn to ignore Tom like the rest of us do.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Really? Are you new to the Internet or something? :dunno:

While I agree that Tom started the foolishness there at posts 37 and 38, you didn't exactly help the situation thereafter. Maybe, if you want to share your experiences (and I think you should), you should just learn to ignore Tom like the rest of us do.
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No, it was probably #33, But no matter, you'll blame me anyway.
 
Tom-D said:
I'd like to buy lunch when you get here
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I think it would be nice - once, or if Jenny tells us her route, if those close to the route PM'd her your contact info so she would have safe havens/maintenance help, or just a friendly person to bounce questions/probs off as she makes her journey. She has reached out to me and has my cell/email in case she makes the southern route.

@Jenny Law
 
Tom-D said:
No, it was probably #33, But no matter, you'll blame me anyway.
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Not without reason. As a third party who is more interested in correct information than who is giving it, 37 is where you went off the rails, by implying @ThereByAir was stupid, especially since you also implied he said to do it IMC when he specifically said "IFR" without specifying or recommending IMC in post 34. Then, you followed it up in post 38 with incorrect information - MEAs do not require radar coverage. It may well be that Seattle Center can see you down to the MEA there like you said, but that would still be nothing more than a coincidence. Then, @ThereByAir got condescending in post 40 and we're off to the thread-derailment races.

Let'sgoflying! said:
I think it would be nice - once, or if Jenny tells us her route, if those close to the route PM'd her your contact info so she would have safe havens/maintenance help, or just a friendly person to bounce questions/probs off as she makes her journey. She has reached out to me and has my cell/email in case she makes the southern route.
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Now that right there is a GREAT idea! And I see she hasn't been here for most of a week, so I hope we didn't run off another new member. :( But I can't say I'd blame her. I read darn near every message I open up in its entirety, but the second page of this thread just got stupid.
 
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