[NA]Berkeley bans "gendered" words[NA]

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mkosmo said:
No, you're not thinking about this world. You're forgetting about the third dimension. When I get home, I'll build a model.
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Sigh. I can’t take the pictures that way, but it still can’t fall through. Use your imagination and see. Don’t forget the hole has to be slightly smaller to make it work correctly in the first place. The ends can’t get any further no matter how you rotate it.

In a square, the diagonals are further away. There are no diagonals in a triangle.

Please build the model.
 
Cooter said:
It seems like I’ve encountered this problem before.......
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No. The holes are not smaller to prevent the piece from going in when fit correctly. Not a good model.

A real round manhole is smaller than the cover so that it doesn’t fit through. Square doesn’t work because of the diagonals. Triangles will not fall through.
 
Salty said:
Sigh. I can’t take the pictures that way, but it still can’t fall through. Use your imagination and see. Don’t forget the hole has to be slightly smaller to make it work correctly in the first place. The ends can’t get any further no matter how you rotate it.

In a square, the diagonals are further away. There are no diagonals in a triangle.

Please build the model.
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You put one edge in first and slide it past the lip, the rock the other side down and in. Like getting a couch through a door.
 
Cooter said:
You put one edge in first and slide it past the lip, the rock the other side down and in. Like getting a couch through a door.
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Then round covers don’t work either. Except they do. Because the hole is smaller. Unless they are made of rubber or something that cane bend, but I’m taking about a steel cover.
 
Salty said:
Then round covers don’t work either. Except they do. Because the hole is smaller.
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It depends on the overlap and the thickness but it is possible.
 
But, wait. ....What will all the Spanish speakers do? Creo que habrá mucha confusión.
 
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No matter how you turn it the corners can never fit
 
Cooter said:
I disagree. Language is important, and it represents truth. Redefining language can reshape a culture. They know that. Why else would they be doing it?
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Exactly. It starts small or with things that are 'what's the big deal'? One day this seemingly simple 'who cares' deal with infringe on your rights in some way. Then it'll be too late.

People are being arrested now in other countries for not using gender neutral terms, calling a real he a he if they decided they are a woman, etc.
 
BrianNC said:
Exactly. It starts small or with things that are 'what's the big deal'? One day this seemingly simple 'who cares' deal with infringe on your rights in some way. Then it'll be too late.

People are being arrested now in other countries for not using gender neutral terms, calling a real he a he if they decided they are a woman, etc.
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I’m quite certain I will lose my job if I refuse to speak the chosen (but obviously false) gender of my co-worker. That means I am no longer free to speak the truth. Language matters.
 
Knock, knock..... 9th Circuit?
 
BrianNC said:
Exactly. It starts small or with things that are 'what's the big deal'? One day this seemingly simple 'who cares' deal with infringe on your rights in some way. Then it'll be too late.

People are being arrested now in other countries for not using gender neutral terms, calling a real he a he if they decided they are a woman, etc.
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If Berkeley passes an ordinance decreeing that people can be punished for saying "manhole," then I will join you in your outrage. This is an ordinance changing what terms are used in the city code, not mandating what members of the public can say.

"A California city voted to ban some gender-specific words in its city code and replace them with gender-neutral options."​
 
Berkeley should ban geometry.
 
Dehn Invariant.. this is a fun rabbit hole (that's okay, right?) to go down on
 
Palmpilot said:
If Berkeley passes an ordinance decreeing that people can be punished for saying "manhole," then I will join you in your outrage. This is an ordinance changing what terms are used in the city code, not mandating what members of the public can say.

"A California city voted to ban some gender-specific words in its city code and replace them with gender-neutral options."​
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What does ban mean?
 
Palmpilot said:
If Berkeley passes an ordinance decreeing that people can be punished for saying "manhole," then I will join you in your outrage. This is an ordinance changing what terms are used in the city code, not mandating what members of the public can say.

"A California city voted to ban some gender-specific words in its city code and replace them with gender-neutral options."​
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Right. But it all starts somewhere. That's probably how it started in Canada and now you can be arrested for ridiculous things in this vein.
 
“Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.

"I don't think any legal expert would say using an inappropriate pronoun, while not something that respects the human rights of trans people, would ever result in a criminal conviction," said Kyle Kirkup, a law professor with the University of Ottawa who specialises in gender identity and sexuality law.

But Dr Peterson could face sanction under Ontario's human rights code, which extended protection to trans people in 2012.

Penalties range from fines and damages to mandatory anti-discrimination training.”
 
Cooter said:
“Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.

"I don't think any legal expert would say using an inappropriate pronoun, while not something that respects the human rights of trans people, would ever result in a criminal conviction," said Kyle Kirkup, a law professor with the University of Ottawa who specialises in gender identity and sexuality law.

“But Dr Peterson could face sanction under Ontario's human rights code, which extended protection to trans people in 2012.

Penalties range from fines and damages to mandatory anti-discrimination training.”
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It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.”

Get your head out of the sand people.
 
Cooter said:
“Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.

"I don't think any legal expert would say using an inappropriate pronoun, while not something that respects the human rights of trans people, would ever result in a criminal conviction," said Kyle Kirkup, a law professor with the University of Ottawa who specialises in gender identity and sexuality law.

But Dr Peterson could face sanction under Ontario's human rights code, which extended protection to trans people in 2012.

Penalties range from fines and damages to mandatory anti-discrimination training.”
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When Canada banned Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" it was just a matter of time.
 
wayne said:
You definitely shop at different stores than I do. :eek:
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well to make this fun, lets let everyone know grocery stores use the term manhole cover, mostly guys, but very common in grocery stores, guess which section......... Tampons & pads. women will say sanitary pads, but guys say manhole covers. lol yes I am 100% serious, but maybe its just in cities around me?
 
The headlines are more sizzle than the substance in terms of the alarm this should cause. Its no where near a ban on the use words themselves by the citizenry, they just will not be allowed to be used in city code, no ones going to get ya for calling your plane a she...but city code will be gender neutral. I think it’s a good step, but.... yawn... hardly national news...

It’s an evolution of society, it just happens over time, often in the beginning it sounds awkward or unnecessary but eventually becomes status quo. Our Caucasian grandfathers, even if they weren’t deep seeded racists, would have used language in casual conversation that today would sound offensive, as a prime example of how things change.

It’s going to be okay, Berkeley deciding to use gender neutral language in city code is not the start of 1984 and the thought police...
 
kayoh190 said:
I love PoA. I started reading this thread and figured it’d go one of a couple different directions, but didn’t count on it completely nerding out with a geometry argument!
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I agree. Who woulda thought we'd ever talk about triangles. LOL
 
Huckster79 said:
The headlines are more sizzle than the substance in terms of the alarm this should cause. Its no where near a ban on the use words themselves by the citizenry, they just will not be allowed to be used in city code, no ones going to get ya for calling your plane a she...but city code will be gender neutral. I think it’s a good step, but.... yawn... hardly national news...

It’s an evolution of society, it just happens over time, often in the beginning it sounds awkward or unnecessary but eventually becomes status quo. Our Caucasian grandfathers, even if they weren’t deep seeded racists, would have used language in casual conversation that today would sound offensive, as a prime example of how things change.

It’s going to be okay, Berkeley deciding to use gender neutral language in city code is not the start of 1984 and the thought police...
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Oh, but you don't understand: people need something to be outraged about!
 
Palmpilot said:
Oh, but you don't understand: people need something to be outraged about!
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It’s not outrage. It’s called being able to see more than six inches in front of your face. If you’d be willing to discuss it rather than mischaracterize it, send me a PM.
 
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Cooter said:
It’s not outrage. It’s called being able to see more than six inches in front of your face. If you’d be willing to discuss it rather than mischaracterize it, send me a PM.
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You're the one who's mischaracterizing it.

As for taking it to PM, writing for an audience of one is not worth the effort.
 
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