EdFred
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I didn't think rental was a for hire operation.
My First Real Emergency - Saturday
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I didn't think rental was a for hire operation.
markb5900
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YUP!!
I have never actually declared an emergency. I did have a partial loss of power after take off at a towered field. I "just" told the tower I wasn't developing full power and was returning to the airport.
The tower responded "cleared to land any runway". Never talked to them about it again in an official manner. I did telephone the tower after I got back and said thanks.
BTW, great job to the OP.
tonycondon
Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)
me neither
steingar
Taxi to Parking
If the fan quits altogether, unless I'm at cruising altitude whatever I say on the radio is whatever I say. I agree, find someplace to land and get set up to do it. If time permits, scream for help on the way down. Maybe they'll send someone to find you.
If I have have partial power and can keep it in the air sufficient to control the outcome (like the OP), I'm screaming a mayday to whomever will listen. No, the NORDO guy in his prewar taildragger won't hear me, but someone might who might otherwise get in my way.
Matthew
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The only time I had an in-flight issue was right after takeoff. I just told tower "returning to land". Tower said "Make right or left traffic, your discretion, cleared to land."
I HAVE witnessed 2 actual in-flight emergencies, both times I was on the ground with a hand-held. Both times tower rolled the trucks - once when asked, the other time tower did it as a precaution. Each time, the only paperwork involved (as far as I could tell) was when the pilot signed a release form so the fire department could leave. I think the tower would have called for the equipment, regardless of being asked, the first time the word "Emergency" came over the radio.
I HAVE witnessed 2 actual in-flight emergencies, both times I was on the ground with a hand-held. Both times tower rolled the trucks - once when asked, the other time tower did it as a precaution. Each time, the only paperwork involved (as far as I could tell) was when the pilot signed a release form so the fire department could leave. I think the tower would have called for the equipment, regardless of being asked, the first time the word "Emergency" came over the radio.
flyingcheesehead
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It's not. But flight instruction where the same person/organization is providing the instructor and the plane is, and that's what the situation was with the burned-out landing light.
I was gonna jump on that one too, 'til I thought about it for a sec.
flyingcheesehead
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And thus, there's nothing to be done about declaring an emergency. So do it.
Exactly. Once you're on the ground, everyone breathes a sigh of relief and goes about their business.
I don't know what you're talking about, I never said any such thing.
I agree with this 100%. I was was soloing at KMIV and someone declared an emergency for a gear problem. I just went back out to the practice area and got another 0.5 in flight time while the pilot in question got it straightened out over the airport- because I heard the call.
I got the plane in late for the next student, but everyone knew what was going on. It got resolved well when someone told him the emergency gear expension procedure (I might be wrong, but shouldn't he have known that? His POH was in the back of the plane)
KimberlyAnne- good job handling it!
kimberlyanne546
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I think what you are trying to ask is what if that other aircraft did not take off?
If he was still holding short and not moving I think I would have tried to reach him again via the radio (remember my CFI took over radios since it was an emergency). If he still held short and I was on very short final - I suppose I would aim for the second half of the runway so that even if he taxi'd on to the runway he would see me and abort.
If what you are asking is related to him being on the runway itself then I would again have to plan a landing point based on where he was and what he was doing (moving, not moving, taking off, etc). I do not think a go around would have been possible and it was busy so landing on a taxiway may or may not have been an option.
Alternatively, we could circle in the "final" leg area until he cleared the runway and then land as soon as he left. I am lucky enough that my airport is surrounded by fields, golf courses, etc. if I REALLY needed them.
Kimberly
kimberlyanne546
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I always forget to put my flaps up (not even funny anymore). This is after short and soft field takeoffs. We don't do touch and go's (only full stops) so I have plenty of time to clean up my plane on the taxi back to the runway. But now that I am towards the end of my training, he takes advantage of every takeoff and landing and asks for short or soft because they are not as easy as "normal".
Kimberly
kimberlyanne546
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I will have to ask my instructor about the landing light, he doesn't seem like the type who would break any rules. Obviously, if I was ALONE and pre-flighted my plane and there was no landing light I would not take it out for a flight, especially with passengers.
I sort of shrugged it off and was just that much more pleased with my landings knowing I did them "in the dark".
Now if my other lights did not work on pre-flight, that would have been different since they are there to show other pilots that I'm flying around in the night sky and what direction I'm going.
The "landing light" is for me, to help me land. I have seen it referenced elsewhere (forgot what book of study) though as an alternative to rocking your wings - using it as a sign of "OK" or "Yes, I understand" . . . . I think when working without radios at a towered airport at night or when being intercepted?
Kimberly
I sort of shrugged it off and was just that much more pleased with my landings knowing I did them "in the dark".
Now if my other lights did not work on pre-flight, that would have been different since they are there to show other pilots that I'm flying around in the night sky and what direction I'm going.
The "landing light" is for me, to help me land. I have seen it referenced elsewhere (forgot what book of study) though as an alternative to rocking your wings - using it as a sign of "OK" or "Yes, I understand" . . . . I think when working without radios at a towered airport at night or when being intercepted?
Kimberly
TMetzinger
Final Approach
I've declared three emergencies so far (all to ATC) and never had to do anything more than tell the ATC QA guy (when he called the next day) that I felt I'd gotten great service. Unless there's an accident/incident, there is rarely any follow-up. Everybody feels good when the emergency is over and goes back to normal life.
TMetzinger
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Yes, you can use the landing light to signal.
TMetzinger
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It's not - getting instruction from the same place that provides the airplane IS operating for hire.
Thus, I can't teach a student in our school's airplanes if they don't have a 100 hour. The student CAN rent the airplane for solo without a current 100-hour inspection. I CAN teach a student in HIS airplane without a 100-hour (or landing light).
kimberlyanne546
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He doesn't work for the school / the business who I pay for the plane rental - I pay each separately (just an FYI). He is independent, not sure if they even have an agreement in writing, never asked.
Kimberly
TMetzinger
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AH - then in that case, you're fine... no violation occured - and your CFI hopefully knew that. I would bet the rental business has an agreement to let him instruct in their planes, for insurance purposes if nothing else, but that's not a financial linkage. If you're writing two checks to two different people for the airplane and the pilot, it's not for-hire (to you, anyway).
tonycondon
Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)
i don't think that providing a plane for flight instruction is considered "for hire". yes, if you provide a a plane for flight instruction then it requires a 100 hr inspection. The fact that the 100 hr rule says "for hire" OR "provided for flight instruction" indicates to me that providing a plane for flight instruction is not "for hire"
kimberlyanne546
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Yes, and a lot went wrong on that flight (my radio skills are pretty bad and my VOR skills too). So the fact that I landed, full stall, rather softly, was about the only saving grace. He had me report "airport in sight" to stop VFR flight following with ATC and in fact I had seen a beacon in the distance! It was not until he pointed out the runway lights that I realized we'd had a mis-communication. And the fun did not stop there.... so the landing in the dark thing was just about the only positive memory I have of that flight. If I had not bought the red light head lamp I did the entire flight would have been in the dark or with a white light inner cockpit overhead light, the instruments don't light up.... which would have destroyed my night vision. I needed my night vision for that in the dark landing.
Oh and hell yeah I felt like a dork wearing a giant head-mounted red LED headlamp but that thing saved the day.
Kimberly
tonycondon
Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)
yep, headlights rock for night flying. love mine.
kimberlyanne546
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My plane actually gets a 50 hour, 100 hour, and more - though I still had a cracked cylinder, radios non-op, nosewheel / strut leaking fluid, seat flying back / slipping from position, and a balding left tire which needed replacing. Oh and the pitot heat has been in-op since forever, and all the lights may or may not work.....
LOL (sort of)
Kimberly
EdFred
Taxi to Parking
Headlights, who needs those? The Braille One approach is solid black anyway!
EdFred
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Reductionist silliness.
Bottom line:
Announce, but do not depend on announcements to absolve you of see and avoid, especially in the traffic pattern, even if you said "emergency."
TangoWhiskey
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Ben, Good job!
How'd you catch it? Did you have the vacuum gauge in your scan, or did a flag pop on the AI, or?
I had the vacuum pump fail on me on the way to Gaston's, but the G1000 immediately "chimed" to alert me. Would have been hard to miss.
Jaybird180
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I wear mine at night and do not feel like a dork...and I dare anyone to stand in my 6'1" face and tell me so.
Jaybird180
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Can't find it right now, but I seem to recall one about reporting required under conditions such as:
Required crewmember incapacitation
Flight Control Failure in-flight
In-flight fire
The 2nd and 3rd would definately warrant declaration of an emergency and also thus a MANDATORY report.
wsuffa
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I had the primary AI go "brown end up" out over West Texas one day on an IFR flight. Complete non-issue. 15,000 feet inbound to San Antonio. It just rolled right over. Autopilot on GPSS kept me chugging right along & conditions were VFR back in San Antone.
azure
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I'll admit to feeling a little dorky the first time I wore mine, but that feeling went away quickly as it proved to be just about the most worthwhile $20 I've ever spent in aviation.I wear mine at night and do not feel like a dork...and I dare anyone to stand in my 6'1" face and tell me so.
I don't think any other pilots will think you're a dork. Someone in the flying club I belong to even mentioned to me last winter that I gave him the idea to get one, and he really likes it.
sferguson524
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My instrument instructor and I had a similar situation recently. We took the club 182 on an instrument x/c, and the plane was performing decently the whole trip, until we were on the RNAV 28R approach into KMYF. When i throttled back to start the descent, we heard a strange noise/vibration. All the engine gauges were in the green, but the noise persisted on the approach. After we taxied back, i was the first person out of the airplane, and noticed "brown stuff" on the strut. I ran my fingers through it and realized it was oil. Walked around the plane, and noticed it was streaked all down the left side of the plane from cowling to tailcone. Upon walking to the nose, i noticed an almost dinner plate size puddle under the exhaust pipe (dripping down the side of the pipe). We pushed the plane back and called the owner, and it went in for MX. The diagnosis was a hole in the oil pan. This didn't sit well, becasue that plane is pretty tightly cowled, so where would the hole have come from.... All in all, we pumped 4 QT of oil overboard. I asked my II if we would have been able to make the runway from where we noticed the noise, and she said doubtful, we would have set down on the golf course. in almost 200 hrs of flying, this is the first time i've had a major issue..
EdFred
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I wear mine at night and do not feel like a dork...and I dare anyone to stand in my 6'1" face and tell me so.
I'll stand in your face at 6'3 and say it.
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And thus, there's nothing to be done about declaring an emergency. So do it.
Exactly. Once you're on the ground, everyone breathes a sigh of relief and goes about their business.
I don't know what you're talking about, I never said any such thing.
I think maybe you didn't quite understand my previous statement - I was trying to make the same argument you were making. Agree with you on all points.
Depends on what you mean by prang. Having an engine failure itself is not a reportable accident. I can tell you I talked to NOBODY from the FAA the one time I had a total engine failure (I did have to help the kindly State Trouper fill out the Commonwealth of Virginia Aviation Accident Report form he had). The one time I had a problem at a controlled field, I gave my name and phone number to the National Guard CFR chief (mixed use field) for his report. That was the end of it both times.
Now there are certain things like gear ups or fuel exhaustion that are sure to trigger a 709 ride (no matter what excuse you give).
TMetzinger
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That's a possibility, and I see where you reached that conclusion. It doesn't jibe with the anecdotal evidence from every flight school I've been involved with, but I'll concede that it could be a popular "myth" rather than a fact that giving flight instruction (providing the airplane and the instructor) is a "for hire" operation.
kimberlyanne546
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OK, fine . . . but perhaps the combination of (CFI said to do this):
Neck lanyard - long - with laminated "sure pro" checklist for plane around my neck. Also on lanyard - laminated hand made flashcards done by me with all the runway numbers, TPAs, CTAFs etc for the surrounding 5 or so airports within a few miles of my home airport. Just imagine me fumbling through this paperwork around my neck at runup.... dorky and it is attached to my chest!
Attached to neck lanyard on the string part, dangling - pen and pencil for XC writing stuff down in case I drop one on the floor or one stops working I have another
Giant dorky headlight
Post its
So yeah I feel like a walking office supply cabinet..... not cool.
Kimberly
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EdFred
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We need a picture of that!
Actually, once you get into things all that stuff goes away because it just sticks in your head. Even flying IFR now I pretty much only use my pen and paper (which is pretty much my entire flight bag now) for initial clearance. Everything else just goes in the noggin.
Actually, once you get into things all that stuff goes away because it just sticks in your head. Even flying IFR now I pretty much only use my pen and paper (which is pretty much my entire flight bag now) for initial clearance. Everything else just goes in the noggin.
kimberlyanne546
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Oh yeah that's right I forgot about all the clipboards and sectionals and stuff on my lap. Oh and my bright pink $15 CASIO stopwatch / watch I got at Walmart for the XC's because it has the time, and the stopwatch, and it even has a light for night flying. But it still looks like those old dorky CASIO watches from the 80's. And my E6B and headset and gosh all that crap. Seriously everything but the kitchen sink.
And not a chance in hell I'm taking a photo of me wearing dorky stuff! I hate my photo being taken anyways, I literally hide from cameras (I'm used to being the photographer, not the photographed).
I got my stopwatch from the goodies we handed out at trade shows.
Is that you in your avatar?
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There's no shame in that; whatever gets the job done. I made my own checklist and navlog kneeboards, too. I'm especially proud of my clip-on headlamp, though...
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kimberlyanne546
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Of course it is me in my avatar! But that was a special occasion, you know, when they make you dress up for formal night on the cruise ship and they practically force you to get your picture taken.
Kimberly