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AirAsia pilot calls on passengers to 'pray' amid engine trouble on flight.....
 
Article about an AirAsia flight that threw a rod... Er, blade... On one engine and "shook like a washing machine". Search online.
 
Shepherd said:
I also don't see a problem with the request.
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TRocket said:
Me neither.
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Ultimately, I agree. The "cooperation" statement was absolutely fine in an emergency IMO. As a passenger though, if a pilot asks me to "pray" in a voice that doesn't sound like he has much confidence in himself, then I would start to worry...
 
There is a certain element in American society that considers any reference to faith a punch line. I mean, I am literally a card carrying NPR listener but their editorial stance is anti faith. Listened to a report a while ago where the subjact made reference to what God told him to do, and the presenters were yukking it up--"well, God hasn't talked to me lately..." I would say prayer is a reasonable action given the circumstances.
 
I think people are referring to the separation of church and plane.:rolleyes:

I would prefer for them to keep the invisible man in the sky to themselves and not involve me in their calls to pray.
 
I wanna have confidence they my airline pilots will get me back safely with training, experience, and professionalism...NOT on a wing and a prayer!
 
Shawn said:
I wanna have confidence they my airline pilots will get me back safely with training, experience, and professionalism...NOT on a wing and a prayer!
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How about both. They got the plane back safely on the ground
 
jordane93 said:
It's only okay to pray when mass shootings and terrorist attacks happen now I guess. Any other time you'll just be made fun of.
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Made fun of by people I have zero respect for, so there's nothing to fret over. ;)

The captain suggested prayer. He didn't say to whom the prayers should be directed.
 
jordane93 said:
It's only okay to pray when mass shootings and terrorist attacks happen now I guess. Any other time you'll just be made fun of.
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That's a good observation. I have thoughts as to why that is but I'll forgo sharing them so we don't de-rail the thread.
 
Shawn said:
I wanna have confidence they my airline pilots will get me back safely with training, experience, and professionalism...NOT on a wing and a prayer!
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It may be that you're not in control as much as you believe yourself to be. Some people are more aware of this possibility. It doesn't necessarily take away from the training or professionalism.
 
I'm going to stop posting even though I never started posting in this thread. Praise be.

And leave snowballs out of this. That's just uncalled for in a family oriented forum.
 
BrianP said:
Ultimately, I agree. The "cooperation" statement was absolutely fine in an emergency IMO. As a passenger though, if a pilot asks me to "pray" in a voice that doesn't sound like he has much confidence in himself, then I would start to worry...
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You guys would OBVIOUSLY miss the opportunity.

My Response:

1. Knock on cockpit door
2. Announce "Prayers answered, I'm here ... get out of the seat."
3. "FO shutdown effected engine."
4. Now let's have some fun ...:cool::p:confused::eek:
 
Since we have no idea of the context, the actual statement, and whether it was translated correctly it is presumptuous to criticize the pilot. The religion involved and the number of practitioners among the passengers is also unknown. An expression of religious nature in a frightening situation might be quite normal for the culture.
 
hankrausch said:
There is a certain element in American society that considers any reference to faith a punch line. I mean, I am literally a card carrying NPR listener but their editorial stance is anti faith. Listened to a report a while ago where the subjact made reference to what God told him to do, and the presenters were yukking it up--"well, God hasn't talked to me lately..." I would say prayer is a reasonable action given the circumstances.
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There was an editorial in the Dallas Morning News a couple of days ago written by a rabbi. As you might expect, the writer referred to God a few times in the piece. Incredibly, in his references the rabbi wrote G-d instead of writing the word normally.

Have we become so intolerant and hateful that a rabbi or priest cannot even mention the deity? I found it unsettling and quite pathetic.
 
Add me to the list that doesn't see any problem.

I've had doctors and nurses that joined my family in prayer before a procedure on a family member. It in no way diminished my confidence in the medical team. In fact, it raised it.

I see this as no different.
 
Shawn said:
I wanna have confidence they my airline pilots will get me back safely with training, experience, and professionalism...NOT on a wing and a prayer!
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I've been doing it on a "Wing and a Prayer" for more than 50 years.
It's only during the last 20 I've been doing it in an official capacity as a pastor.
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3393RP said:
There was an editorial in the Dallas Morning News a couple of days ago written by a rabbi. As you might expect, the writer referred to God a few times in the piece. Incredibly, in his references the rabbi wrote G-d instead of writing the word normally.

Have we become so intolerant and hateful that a rabbi or priest cannot even mention the deity? I found it unsettling and quite pathetic.
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I believe the G-d thing is a Jewish thing. They don't write out God out of respect and reverence of the word
 
When asked to pray on a commercial flight, can I remove my seatbelt, roll out my prayer rug, and face Mecca?

Oh ****... I'm Catholic. never mind.
 
danhagan said:
You guys would OBVIOUSLY miss the opportunity.

My Response:

1. Knock on cockpit door
2. Announce "Prayers answered, I'm here ... get out of the seat."
3. "FO shutdown effected engine."
4. Now let's have some fun ...:cool::p:confused::eek:
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Wtf????
 
I would bet that any one of us experiencing an engine failure in a single airplane at night over the mountains with no moon would find god on our minds very quickly. What was the old saying, thereare no atheists in foxholes during wartime. As for me I believe.
 
Vaflier said:
I would bet that any one of us experiencing an engine failure in a single airplane at night over the mountains with no moon would find god on our minds very quickly. What was the old saying, thereare no atheists in foxholes during wartime. As for me I believe.
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That may be the case.... but announce it to the folks?
The crew should be profesional and calming.
 
Vaflier said:
I would bet that any one of us experiencing an engine failure in a single airplane at night over the mountains
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You kidding? I get that way with moderate turbulence or "reduced bladder occupancy time"
 
Ravioli said:
When asked to pray on a commercial flight, can I remove my seatbelt, roll out my prayer rug, and face Mecca?

Oh ****... I'm Catholic. never mind.
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I spent 8 years living & working in the Middle East. One of my memorable flights was on BA heading south to the Gulf from Heathrow during Ramadan. While I was reading an article in the BA inflight magazine about nude bicycle riding in Seattle (Google "WNBR Seattle") a few of the faithful unrolled their prayer rugs in the biz class aisle. Just another anecdotal illustration what a challenge we all face trying to bridge the chasm.
 
jordane93 said:
I believe the G-d thing is a Jewish thing. They don't write out God out of respect and reverence of the word
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Thank you very much for that answer. I don't have any Jewish friends to ask, and found it really puzzling.
 
jordane93 said:
I believe the G-d thing is a Jewish thing. They don't write out God out of respect and reverence of the word
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Common in some Jewish segments, but not unheard of in Christian religions for the same reason. The issue comes from the book of Exodus (second commandment): You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

Different sects differ on whether that means the word "god" in general or the specific name (Jehovah, Yahweh) and in some cases only in the Hebrew.
The problem is that with printed material, you don't know how it is going to be treated. You don't want to print out the name of the Lord if someone is going to line a bird cage or throw it in the refuse. Therefore, you use a placeholder. Anyway, it's tantamount to the same reason we are capitalizing God and Lord in this thread. It's not a generic word, but a name.
 
GRG55 said:
I spent 8 years living & working in the Middle East. One of my memorable flights was on BA heading south to the Gulf from Heathrow during Ramadan. While I was reading an article in the BA inflight magazine about nude bicycle riding in Seattle (Google "WNBR Seattle") a few of the faithful unrolled their prayer rugs in the biz class aisle. Just another anecdotal illustration what a challenge we all face trying to bridge the chasm.
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Yup, and if it weren't for that little geological happenstance, we wouldn't have to. They'd be a footnote on another dusty page of history. Alas, life can be inconvenient like that sometimes. I'm def a proponent of renewable energy, and conservationism's got jack to do with it, if you catch my drift. Unfortunately my job is not to set foreign policy, but to support it. One of the many aspects of my service I sincerely have to white knuckle through with clamped jaw. Kids' gotta eat and I'm not affluent enough to ballwalk just yet. One day though.
 
I say a little prayer before each flight of mine! True story.
 
Kritchlow said:
That may be the case.... but announce it to the folks?
The crew should be profesional and calming.
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This. Whether you say a personal prayer or not is up to the individual, but I don't think it's an appropriate thing for the pilot to ask an airplane full of passengers they don't know.
 
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