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JoseCuervo said:
I hope I am never so hard up for money that I try and commercialize hunting on my property. I gladly let people hunt for free, and, if I know it is someone bringing youth hunters, I will keep other hunters away for weeks to ensure kids get a quality hunt. Selling hunting access to try and make my mortgage or car payments is about as low as one could fall.
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What is the difference between leasing your land to someone to grow alfalfa vs leasing it out to a hunter ?
 
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That's hilarious.

It depends on who wants to hunt. A bunch of beer swilling oil company executives will pay damn good money. Father/son or family, I let enough hunt to manage game. If someone offers me good $$$, who am I to refuse it. But most of the people who hunt my property don't pay a thing. I don't do it because I need money, I do it because, well, they offered.

My friend on the other hand, he dislikes people. You want to hunt, you pay him for having to deal with you. He doesn't need money, but if you want to run around his property, it will cost you. He wasn't like that before a dope head trespassed, broke his leg, then sued him. Can you blame him for that? All told, it cost him 6 years and close to a million $$$ just because someone who didnt have permission to be there got hurt. What would happen if someone who did have permission got hurt and sued?
 
weilke said:
What is the difference between leasing your kand to someone to grow alfalfa vs leasing it out to a hunter ?
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Well, the main thing is one is a commercial agriculture transaction.

The other one is, in at least 49 states, a commercialization of wildlife.
 
SomeTexan said:
That's hilarious.

It depends on who wants to hunt. A bunch of beer swilling oil company executives will pay damn good money. Father/son or family, I let enough hunt to manage game. If someone offers me good $$$, who am I to refuse it. But most of the people who hunt my property don't pay a thing. I don't do it because I need money, I do it because, well, they offered.

My friend on the other hand, he dislikes people. You want to hunt, you pay him for having to deal with you. He doesn't need money, but if you want to run around his property, it will cost you. He wasn't like that before a dope head trespassed, broke his leg, then sued him. Can you blame him for that? All told, it cost him 6 years and close to a million $$$ just because someone who didnt have permission to be there got hurt. What would happen if someone who did have permission got hurt and sued?
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Do you have the case number and the names of the parties of your friend's court case. That would be quite the entertaining read to see the particulars of a trespasser suing for a broken leg and getting a million without negligence on your friend's part.

Many, if not most states, other than Texas, have some sort of exemption for liability for recreation.

"Concern about legal liability for recreationists prevents some landowners from permitting hunting on their property. However, the Virginia General Assembly has addressed this concern in Virginia Code Section 29.1-509. Amended in 1982, this law exempts landowners who provide recreational opportunities to the public from liability for injury or damages, provided:

the landowner does not charge a fee.
there is no gross negligence or "willful or malicious failure to guard or warn against a dangerous condition, use, or structure" on the property."


I hope I never get so desperate for money that I allow a bunch of drunks to be on my property with guns. Probably as dangerous as gun shows. Again, there are many different definitions of hunting, and none of what takes place in Texas is hunting.
 
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JoseCuervo said:
Do you have the case number and the names of the parties of your friend's court case. That would be quite the entertaining read to see the particulars of a trespasser suing for a broken leg and getting a million without negligence on your friend's part.

Many, if not most states, other than Texas, have some sort of exemption for liability for recreation.

"Concern about legal liability for recreationists prevents some landowners from permitting hunting on their property. However, the Virginia General Assembly has addressed this concern in Virginia Code Section 29.1-509. Amended in 1982, this law exempts landowners who provide recreational opportunities to the public from liability for injury or damages, provided:

the landowner does not charge a fee.
there is no gross negligence or "willful or malicious failure to guard or warn against a dangerous condition, use, or structure" on the property."


I hope I never get so desperate for money that I allow a bunch of drunks to be on my property with guns. Probably as dangerous as gun shows. Again, there are many different definitions of hunting, and none of what takes place in Texas is hunting.
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I will be out to see him in a few weeks, I'll see if I can get some numbers from him. He did win, and didn't fork over a dime to the junkie, just to lawyers. Also, since the junkie was trying to build a meth lab, and didn't have anything, the county went after the landowner.

There is a reason I let them on one of my hardest to get to spots. Keep them away from others. I let other landowners know, and keep an eye on them. Usually 2 or 3 actual hunters, and half a dozen who didn't even bring guns. Plus, a friend of mine works for this oil company, and finding them a spot with little notice got him a good promotion.

Why the interest in my income? If you ever get past living hand to mouth, you learn that you have to protect your assets. If you have money, someone will try to steal it. I hate lawyers, but they have become one of those unavoidable evils that I have to deal with.
 
SomeTexan said:
I will be out to see him in a few weeks, I'll see if I can get some numbers from him. He did win, and didn't fork over a dime to the junkie, just to lawyers. Also, since the junkie was trying to build a meth lab, and didn't have anything, the county went after the landowner.



There is a reason I let them on one of my hardest to get to spots. Keep them away from others. I let other landowners know, and keep an eye on them. Usually 2 or 3 actual hunters, and half a dozen who didn't even bring guns. Plus, a friend of mine works for this oil company, and finding them a spot with little notice got him a good promotion.



Why the interest in my income? If you ever get past living hand to mouth, you learn that you have to protect your assets. If you have money, someone will try to steal it. I hate lawyers, but they have become one of those unavoidable evils that I have to deal with.
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How does charging people to hunt protect your assets?


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JoseCuervo said:
How does charging people to hunt protect your assets?


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How does opening your land to anyone not endanger your assets?

They sign a lot of release forms. Not ironclad, but better than nothing.
 
ja_user said:
Gunshows are mostly over-rated...
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This. And they've been grossly overrated for the past 25 years. In that time period, I've only found good gun deals on one Ruger .22 rifle, one .45 Glock 36 pistol, and one free-float foregrip for an AR-15 rifle. I've also found a couple good deals on some Kershaw pocket knives but those could've also been bought from Amazon.com at the same prices.
 
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How does opening your land to anyone not endanger your assets?



They sign a lot of release forms. Not ironclad, but better than nothing.
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Like I said, lots of definitions of hunting, but nothing in Texas meets those definitions.

If I allow people recreational use of my land, I don't have liability for their injuries, assuming no negligence on my part. As soon as I charge them for accessing my land, I am liable for their safe passage.
 
JoseCuervo said:
Like I said, lots of definitions of hunting, but nothing in Texas meets those definitions.

If I allow people recreational use of my land, I don't have liability for their injuries, assuming no negligence on my part. As soon as I charge them for accessing my land, I am liable for their safe passage.
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You have obviously never hunted here if that is what you think. You probably think Texas is all flat too? I've hunted all over and I'll tell you, Texas will surprise you quicker than Alaska.

Assuming no negligence... That's how they get you. You didn't tell them that there might be a snake under that rock, that they couldn't climb the rotten tree, exactly where that gopher hole was. If you have more than them, they will think they are entitled to some or all if they hurt themselves. And it's not hard to find a lawyer that will paint you to be an evil landowner who enjoys people falling into your booby-traps.
 
SomeTexan said:
You have obviously never hunted here if that is what you think. You probably think Texas is all flat too? I've hunted all over and I'll tell you, Texas will surprise you quicker than Alaska.



Assuming no negligence... That's how they get you. You didn't tell them that there might be a snake under that rock, that they couldn't climb the rotten tree, exactly where that gopher hole was. If you have more than them, they will think they are entitled to some or all if they hurt themselves. And it's not hard to find a lawyer that will paint you to be an evil landowner who enjoys people falling into your booby-traps.
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A snake under a rock isn't negligence.
 
JoseCuervo said:
A snake under a rock isn't negligence.
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Not exactly. But did you fully inform them that there might be dangerous game, up to and including venomous snakes? Did you make sure that they were fully aware of any and all possible hiding places for the aforementioned potential snake? You would be surprised what you can get sued for. All it takes is a crooked lawyer and a poor family with an injured child or breadwinner.
 
SomeTexan said:
Not exactly. But did you fully inform them that there might be dangerous game, up to and including venomous snakes? Did you make sure that they were fully aware of any and all possible hiding places for the aforementioned potential snake? You would be surprised what you can get sued for. All it takes is a crooked lawyer and a poor family with an injured child or breadwinner.
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That's not negligence.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Stop trying to deny reality. Gun hobbyists are by and large obese. Couple of exceptions don't disprove the reality. Then again most pilots are fat. No wonder our 1950's designed airplanes are wearing thin.:lol:
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I don't know where you are getting your info. Please come to my gun club, and take a look at the people using our ranges. Then come to some of the courses they teach there, and watch what people are doing. Firearm owners are a very diverse bunch, and I am sure mirror society's stats for weight, general health, and physical fitness. To stereotype a group like that is pretty difficult.

It would be like me saying all liberal/progressive men are effiminate, metrosexual, urbanites.
 
All liberal progressive men are effeminate, some don't have enough style to be metrosexual and if they aren't urbanites they live in the blue woods of Vermont and similar. Even if i was wrong about gun owners that is a terrible example of diversity. And no that isn't speculation about liberal men that data exists. Only the camp clothing companies have data on how fat the gun owner population is, observation tells plenty just not numbers.
 
Anthony said:
I don't know where you are getting your info. Please come to my gun club, and take a look at the people using our ranges. Then come to some of the courses they teach there, and watch what people are doing. Firearm owners are a very diverse bunch, and I am sure mirror society's stats for weight, general health, and physical fitness. To stereotype a group like that is pretty difficult.

It would be like me saying all liberal/progressive men are effiminate, metrosexual, urbanites.
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That is closer to the truth than some of the statements by obvious gun and hunting haters. :yes:
 
Norman said:
That is closer to the truth than some of the statements by obvious gun and hunting haters. :yes:
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Who here hates guns and hunting? Don't confuse observations of a population for disdain of that populations preferences.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Only the camp clothing companies have data on how fat the gun owner population is, observation tells plenty just not numbers.
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Many gun owners I know are NOT hunters. They own guns for target shooting, sporting clays, and self defense. They could care less about hunting.
 
Anthony said:
Many gun owners I know are NOT hunters. They own guns for target shooting, sporting clays, and self defense. They could care less about hunting.
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Ring up gunsite, or whoever the trendy pink mist fantasy camp is, and ask what size t-shirts they sell the most of.:lol:
 
JoseCuervo said:
I hope I am never so hard up for money that I try and commercialize hunting on my property. I gladly let people hunt for free, and, if I know it is someone bringing youth hunters, I will keep other hunters away for weeks to ensure kids get a quality hunt. Selling hunting access to try and make my mortgage or car payments is about as low as one could fall.
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Actually, you could be a California resident, work on wall street, or in D.C.
Much more scum out there!!!! :lol:
 
Glad you enjoyed your day at the show. Not an old rifle guy, unless one has some other sentimental value, but for someone who likes them, having to walk away on that 1938 must have hurt a little.

The rest of this thread devolved into someone who doesn't quite get that most of the U.S. population is overweight,,but likes to associate such with whatever hobby he or she doesn't like, I guess... not knowing if they're an adult behind the pseudonym, I'll assume not. Certainly not acting like one.
 
jmp470 said:
Actually, you could be a California resident, work on wall street, or in D.C.
Much more scum out there!!!! :lol:
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What does that have to do with charging money to "beer swilling " Texans to sit on top of a corn flinger and shoot conditioned animals looking for welfare food?


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So, back to guns, I'm interested in a lever action .357 to convert to 10mm. I think the 10mm will work great on eastern dear and wild boar. The 10mm and .357 have the same base diameter so the magazine tube will work fine. The barrel will have to be reamed and re-chambered.
Anyone know of a good gunsmith that has 10mm tooling?
On the other subject, I have several guns, so you can call me a gun nut. As a retired Marine officer I still work out frequently and can score well on the PFT. I like generalitie, they make life simple but generalities are not rules.
 
cgrab said:
So, back to guns, I'm interested in a lever action .357 to convert to 10mm. I think the 10mm will work great on eastern dear and wild boar. The 10mm and .357 have the same base diameter so the magazine tube will work fine. The barrel will have to be reamed and re-chambered.
Anyone know of a good gunsmith that has 10mm tooling?
On the other subject, I have several guns, so you can call me a gun nut. As a retired Marine officer I still work out frequently and can score well on the PFT. I like generalitie, they make life simple but generalities are not rules.
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Why would you want a lever gun?


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JoseCuervo said:
What does that have to do with charging money to "beer swilling " Texans to sit on top of a corn flinger and shoot conditioned animals looking for welfare food?


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There are no feeders on my property. The guys that hunt are from Texas, the drunks are from R.I., Fl, and California. Plus, I don't charge the individuals, their company pays me for a 5 day surface lease.

If you don't understand what's going on, maybe you should ask questions rather than making idiotic statements.

I'm curious as to why someone named after booze has such a problem with drinking?

Why does a hunting lease bother you so much? It's common practice, done all over the country. I choose to buy, then lease when I'm not using. Some people choose to lease. Just like a car or a house, people have their reasons for leasing.
 
A lever gun is reliable and I don't have to deal with magazines.
 
cgrab said:
A lever gun is reliable and I don't have to deal with magazines.
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Reliable compared to what?

Ruger #1

Mauser 98?

Win Model 70?


Just wondering as the feeding on. Lever would be a challenge to rework and you would still have all the drawbacks of a lever gun.


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SomeTexan said:
Why wouldn't you? Maybe you have never shot one, or have never ground stalked in heavy brush? I usually stick to 45-70 or 444 though.
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The best use of a lever gun is to drive tent stakes.

Like I said, lot of definitions of hunting, none of what is done in Texas meets them.


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SomeTexan said:
There are no feeders on my property. The guys that hunt are from Texas, the drunks are from R.I., Fl, and California. Plus, I don't charge the individuals, their company pays me for a 5 day surface lease.



If you don't understand what's going on, maybe you should ask questions rather than making idiotic statements.



I'm curious as to why someone named after booze has such a problem with drinking?



Why does a hunting lease bother you so much? It's common practice, done all over the country. I choose to buy, then lease when I'm not using. Some people choose to lease. Just like a car or a house, people have their reasons for leasing.
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Like I said, hope never to mismanage my finances that I have to try and charge people for hunting, nor would I ever want to get so fat and lazy I have to pay to shoot conditioned animals over a corn flinger.




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JoseCuervo said:
The best use of a lever gun is to drive tent stakes.
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Wow, you need to broaden your horizons. I have lever-action, semi-auto, bolt-action, break-action and pump firearms. I practice with all of them and am proficient in each. I use the right tool for the job and none of them has ever driven a tent stake.
 
cgrab said:
Wow, you need to broaden your horizons. I have lever-action, semi-auto, bolt-action, break-action and pump firearms. I practice with all of them and am proficient in each. I use the right tool for the job and none of them has ever driven a tent stake.
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I'm guessing he is a 400lb, 14 year old that hasn't been outside in 3 years? I don't think anyone who actually hunts is this closed minded. I'm with you, different arms for different situations.
 
Had a Winchester 94 in 44 mag shell lifter broke in half, wasn't impressed. Gun was mid 90's vintage I believe, never abused not a lot of rounds through it either. The marlins don't look as cool but are probably better guns. Find an old one if you can.
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So, back to guns, I'm interested in a lever action .357 to convert to 10mm. I think the 10mm will work great on eastern dear and wild boar. The 10mm and .357 have the same base diameter so the magazine tube will work fine. The barrel will have to be reamed and re-chambered.
Anyone know of a good gunsmith that has 10mm tooling?
On the other subject, I have several guns, so you can call me a gun nut. As a retired Marine officer I still work out frequently and can score well on the PFT. I like generalitie, they make life simple but generalities are not rules.
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