Malaysian Airliner missing?

Well the good news is that we have had our best girl on finding the plane and it has been located...
 
Well, terrorism could indeed be ended worldwide by spaying. If it is applied universally.
 
denverpilot said:
ROFL. I was going to go there but the recent conversation with my step-sister's husband who is fully into this conspiracy, left me far too annoyed to bring it up again. Also left me feeling sorry for my sis.
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Nobody's perfect


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Ok just a couple of quick questions ...

what is the ability of the other crew members ( 12 on board?) to contact anyone on the ground with hard wired communications device in the cabin on a 777 at any time during flight ? (anywhere center, tower,home hub etc.)

Could/can this device (devices) be disabled from the flight deck ?

Is it possible to decompress the aircraft ( Boeing 777 the cabin/flight deck) during flight either rapidly or slowly after reaching cruising altitude or higher ?

obviously there would be a series of alarms in the flight deck if it was/is possible, but if the captain or first officer was prepared and/or disabled the other mask (and any supplementary or emergency masks) to make only one working/available on the flight deck.

Could the officer therefore be the only person left alive on board ?

i'm considering egypt air 990, and payne stewarts lear jet.
 
dell30rb said:
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Well at least he's not cheating on her with his ex (husband #1) or slapping her around (husband #2).

He's just a friendly paranoid pot-head who thinks governments the world over get along so well they all have airliner sized crop dusters flying 24/7.

So he's crazy, but the happy kind.
 
2873b said:
Ok just a couple of quick questions ...

what is the ability of the other crew members ( 12 on board?) to contact anyone on the ground with hard wired communications device in the cabin on a 777 at any time during flight ? (anywhere center, tower,home hub etc.)

Could/can this device (devices) be disabled from the flight deck ?

Is it possible to decompress the aircraft ( Boeing 777 the cabin/flight deck) during flight either rapidly or slowly after reaching cruising altitude or higher ?

obviously there would be a series of alarms in the flight deck if it was/is possible, but if the captain or first officer was prepared and/or disabled the other mask (and any supplementary or emergency masks) to make only one working/available on the flight deck.

Could the officer therefore be the only person left alive on board ?

i'm considering egypt air 990, and payne stewarts lear jet.
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Not sure what you are driving at, but take the Egypt Air and Payne Stewart Examples:

Likely not pilot suicide (Egypt Air). Why go to such elaborate ends, shutting off comms, diving, climbing, flying hours more? If your goal is suicide, take out the other pilot and, with the door locked, get it over with.

Likely not decompression (Payne Stewart). If there was rapid decompression why all the course changes, turning off comms, etc...

Foul-play and/or terrorism seems 99% likely. Only question is did it make somewhere in 1 piece or many.
 
2873b said:
Ok just a couple of quick questions ...

what is the ability of the other crew members ( 12 on board?) to contact anyone on the ground with hard wired communications device in the cabin on a 777 at any time during flight ? (anywhere center, tower,home hub etc.)

Could/can this device (devices) be disabled from the flight deck ?

Is it possible to decompress the aircraft ( Boeing 777 the cabin/flight deck) during flight either rapidly or slowly after reaching cruising altitude or higher ?

obviously there would be a series of alarms in the flight deck if it was/is possible, but if the captain or first officer was prepared and/or disabled the other mask (and any supplementary or emergency masks) to make only one working/available on the flight deck.

Could the officer therefore be the only person left alive on board ?

i'm considering egypt air 990, and payne stewarts lear jet.
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The FAs on AA11 used the air phone to call her supervisor, but I don't think planes have air phones anymore.
 
paflyer said:
Being parted-out.
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That's what I was wondering. If you did steal a 777, how much could you part it out for? Most piracy is mercantile in nature, not terrorism. You have two income potentials; hostages and ransom, no evidence; and parts.
 
Henning said:
That's what I was wondering. If you did steal a 777, how much could you part it out for? Most piracy is mercantile in nature, not terrorism. You have two income potentials; hostages and ransom, no evidence; and parts.
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Your theory is as good anyone else's.

There's a few airplane part-out operations around here. They seem to stick to 737,747,and 767s. Never seen a 777 -- too new, I'd guess.

Anyway, it seems to take them many months to part one out. So, if the people in this case are doing it for black-market 777 parts, they'd have to do in a covered hanger to avoid satellite passes it would at least take a few days. Correct? A news organization highlighted around 650 strips that could handle at least the landing of a 777. I'd guess, at most, 50% have a hanger or cover big enough to cover up a 777 from satellite and public view. So, if they were parting it out, couldn't a few teams have figured that out really quick?

Or, I guess, get a few really high value parts and just leave the rest -- and, God willing -- the passengers...

Just typing the above brings me back to where I'd place my bet this second: it's crashed somewhere and just haven't been found yet...
 
i was thinking that crew suicide is the cause of the disappearance and eventual crash and as you describe the aircraft continued flying until it ran out of fuel ( it seems). pushing the nose down is a ruthless way to take your, and the lives of the other crew and passengers. So what are the other methods to achieve the same result ? I guess if it was crew suicide, and he took the time and forethought to disable the transponder and the top part if the ACARS. than he just had something else in mind hypoxia at 45,000 could make you pass out in 6-9 seconds (maybe). and I'm not sure how long to suffocate. If it was suicide and not a nose dive what other methods are available to a pilot or flight deck crew ?
 
O.k. George Bush had that meeting with O recently and Dick Cheney accidentally shot the plane down while they were arguing over chemtrail or HAARP effectiveness, Cheney grabbed the gizmo from O and it went off.

So it's Bush's fault.
 
This plane has been missing for so long I'm beginning to think it's in a chop shop in Detroit being cut up for scrap. Trust me; those bad guys are that quick. :D
 
I suspect not. The officer visited/conferred with the airport manager to learn if there had been other reports of similar activity. If the perp was successful in getting into my locked hangar, same might be inclined to "do unto others." All hangar owners were informed of the "unauthorized entry" and to be conscious of suspicious activity in other areas.

HR
 
Norman said:
This plane has been missing for so long I'm beginning to think it's in a chop shop in Detroit being cut up for scrap. Trust me; those bad guys are that quick. :D
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Shoot, a good chop shop would have been done with it a week ago.
 
With the explosion of wild conspiracy theories everyone seems to completely have dismissed the possibility of an actual mishap but the other day I was reading an article that had a list of "possibles" and one of them kind of stood out. It's something I hadn't even heard mention of before but it was:

"cargo load of Lithium-ion batteries"

I didn't think you were allowed to transport cargo of that nature on a passenger jet.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
And then, there's A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet.
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The only thing that makes me question this theory is I thought there were multiple course changes on the radar track? If this was a simple turn to the best airport, there would just be one course change. In addition, I think I read that some of the course changes after last transmission corrispond to GPS fixes. Is that not so?:dunno:

It think it's also a little too soon to declare the captian and flight crew heros like the article does just yet.
 
MAKG1 said:
Considering some airliners (787) come with them as airworthiness equipment, I really don't think that's the case.
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And lithium ion batteries have been quite a thorn in the 787's side.

You wouldn't believe the cost and headache that we are going through right now in order to install a lithium ion battery locker on the ship just to support the JSF.

Lithium ion batteries are bad stuff. There have indeed been cargo fires as a result.

That said, all of the fires I am aware of involving lithium ion batteries have enough indications for the pilots to take much stronger action including distress calls. If batteries in the cargo hold did catch fire, the flight crew would have had plenty of notice before the xpdr and comms gear was affected.
 
Henning said:
That's what I was wondering. If you did steal a 777, how much could you part it out for? Most piracy is mercantile in nature, not terrorism. You have two income potentials; hostages and ransom, no evidence; and parts.
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If it's in China they might be parting out the passengers too.
 
paflyer said:
If it's in China they might be parting out the passengers too.
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Yep, kidneys go for $25k a piece, livers can be sold multiple times since you only need a chunk, no idea what hearts, lungs, and other tissues sell for.
 
MAKG1 said:
Considering some airliners (787) come with them as airworthiness equipment, I really don't think that's the case.
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The main batteries on a 787 are housed in a containment vessel that, after redesign following the troubles they've had, now looks like something that would contain a nuclear reactor. Aside from that I do believe, at least for US carriers, it is not legal to transport LiOn batteries as cargo on a passenger jet.

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denverpilot said:
Wired Magazine of all publications, fielded a partially sane article today.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

(Edit: already posted. Oh well. Leaving for posterity. Heh.)
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ckpit-checked-in-12-minutes-after-course-was/

Already turned when the "good night" was given. I like the concept, but there are other closer airports on that route that were suitable. No need to cross the Kra peninsula for a runway.

<edit: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=1

Flight change done by the FMS.
 
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At the risk of adding nothing useful to this thread.

I am baffled. Really, and truly without any excuses baffled. By nature, I'm a kind of tin foil hat sort of guy. I can think up many bizarre plots and plans to this situation, but with each dribble of info that comes out, they all expand again.

I'm afraid that we'll go though life not knowing the fate of this plane and passengers, which is rather chilling all-in-all.
 
docmirror said:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ckpit-checked-in-12-minutes-after-course-was/

Already turned when the "good night" was given. I like the concept, but there are other closer airports on that route that were suitable. No need to cross the Kra peninsula for a runway.
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An ACARS burst (the last one?) allegedly contained the info that an alternate route had been entered into the FMS. From http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-u-turn-programmed-signoff-sources-say-n56151
"Some pilots program an alternate flight plan in the event of an emergency," cautioned Greg Feith, a former National Transportation Safety Board crash investigator and NBC News analyst.
"We don't know if this was an alternate plan to go back to Kuala Lumpur or if this was to take the plane from some place other than Beijing," the doomed flight's intended destination, Feith said.
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If it was an emergency route and the crew became incapacitated then the jet may have orbited the last entered waypoint till fuel exhaustion.
 
Jim Logajan said:
the jet may have orbited the last entered waypoint till fuel exhaustion.
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Orbited?
Per my understanding the jet will simply maintain the last heading/course (depending on the autopilot mode).


Per some media outlet (latest headlines):

At 1:19 a.m. on March 8, 12 minutes after the plane had changed course to the west, co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid gave a routine "All right, good night" in his final radio call.

If the above is true this 'deviation' had nothing to do with any emergency.
 
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I saw a bit of Fox News last night with Greta Sustern and a couple of "experts"

It was a real face palm'er :rolleyes2:
 
Yeah, I know squadoosh about the FMS operation, but apparently the waypoint was entered into the FMS, and I have no idea what happens to the navigation once that fix is passed.
 
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