Kelsey Berreth

Every guess is as good as any other. Whole thing was weird from the outset. Just too many oddities to be credible. And her disappearance wasn’t a big enough deal for her fiancé to report her missing at all? Come on, man...
 
Solicitation.... someone got scared they would be charged as an accessory so ran in and started singing like a birdie hoping to strike a deal to stay outta federal...

My SWAG, whatever it is worth.
 
JCranford said:
Yeah, me too, but I figured this is how it would end up.
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Sometimes these things end with 'Ms xyc has been located and is doing fine. This is now a family matter and not an active police investigation'. The way this was shaping up from the get-go, it didn't look like this was going to be the outcome.

We had a similar whacko fiancee story in MD last year.
 
SkyDog58 said:
Did they find her body or some other solid evidence that points at a crime and him?
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That's a kinda silly question. They don't charge people with murder without significant evidence.
 
3393RP said:
That's a kinda silly question. They don't charge people with murder without significant evidence.
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You’re joking, right? I work under a notoriously-difficult prosecutor that only writes warrants when she knows she can uphold her 98% conviction rate...except for murder (That’s where her 2% loss rate comes in).
 
Prosecutors will charge to add pressure to the suspect. (charges can be dropped)
 
alfadog said:
Apropo of nothing, she worked for an interesting flight school...

http://www.dossaviation.com/
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yeah good ol Doss. They just peddle the IFS mission the USAF used to do in-house with the T-3 Fireflys, before they started killing people during spins.

It's pretty worthless as far as screening program is concerned these days (basically flying a piston single under a "boldface" atmosphere....quickest way to cure me from flying if that had been my first exposure to aviation). The product I get from those guys is no better than what IFT (aka part 61 straight up civilian with no standards control) provided me, and certainly much more expensive to the taxpayer. But that's by design. With the whole watering down of the UPT program of today, as an attempt at cranking out more pilot production, they really could just shut down that contract and nothing would change.

But the name of the game is jerbs jerbs jerbs, and the DOD budget is not exactly known for being accountable. That they [Pentagon] have the chutzpah to rationalize the unaccounted money as a justified opportunity cost of being gifted 700 billion dollars a year, while expansion of Medicare is blasphemy, that's just the cherry on top. My wife sews my gritty busted gloves, and I went a year without visor cover, while they're more than happy to replace scratched visors galore at more than 10x the cost of a patch of leather (ended up going private and buying my own in order to exercise some modicum of respect to the taxpayer). Low-approach half the students' off-station approaches so my 3-cord tires (used to be 7) will last me enough to come back to base without another odd-ten-thousand dollar extra manhours in repo flights and mx personnel drive-outs to the outstation... but 700 billion they say. Yeah, it's a big effin club alright....and we ain't in it! :D

Sorry for the de-rail, back to your regular programming.
 
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tawood said:
I actually had a missing female case eerily similar to this case back in June. EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE (outside of the police department) was ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that the boyfriend killed this missing girl...to the point that this poor guy was getting death threats, etc. In fact, there is still a website run to this day about her disappearance, and how the boyfriend killed her and got away with it, thanks in part to stupid detectives like me....
The only thing was, we knew for fact it wasn't true. The boyfriend had a rock-solid alibi, and was genuinely concerned about his girlfriend. He admitted that they had their share of problems, detailed every argument they ever had, etc. He opened up his home to us 24/7. He let us crawl up his arse, and we practically did. He was a very weird dude, but I was confident he didn't do anything to her.
Then I started checking her routine: I found the girl on some super high definition video, surfing the internet on her phone, right before she disappeared (the video was so detailed I could actually make out some of what she was searching). I completed a search warrant for the phone records, and saw that she was googling how to shoot yourself in the head; very morbid stuff can be found on the internet...she was found dead several days later out in a wooded area about 20 miles from her home, with a self-inflicted gun shot wound to the head.
You can show people the video, with the date and time stamp, the phone records with matching date and time, the ME report, etc, and they still want to believe a more nefarious version...something to do with human nature I think. Or maybe too much Law and Order.
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Oh think that’s good. I had two heroin heads walk into a big woods with a .22 pistol on an alledged suicide pact. No notes. Party 1 killed himself and party 2 chickened out and tried to save him. Coroner says suicide. Over 18 years I know I am not certain of that.
 
It appears law enforcement determined the fiance was in Idaho, where the victim's cell phone was used.

Authorities in Idaho announced Saturday they aided in finding evidence tied to the suspected murder of a Colorado mother. The body of Kelsey Berreth has yet to be found but authorities have arrested her fiance, Patrick Frazee, on first-degree murder charges.

On Saturday, the Twin Falls Police Department reported they were contacted by the FBI on Dec. 15 for help in the investigation.

The Twin Falls County Sheriff's Office and the Twin Falls Police Department said they worked with the FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigations "to prepare and serve several search warrants as well as processing some items of evidence." The police department did not elaborate on what kind of evidence was found.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kelsey...ite-evidence-in-case-of-missing-colorado-mom/
 
I think the electronic trail we leave can be astounding, to investigators. One needs a ‘Jack Reacher’ mentality to cover the trail. I’m sure investigators know a lot more tricks than is commonly known.

There was a case 10+ years back where a female prison food service employee helped a convict escape. There was the promise of love I believe. They went right to tracking her cell phone. A SWAT team arrested both of them in a hotel in Central WI.
 
3393RP said:
It appears law enforcement determined the fiance was in Idaho, where the victim's cell phone was used....
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I don't see anywhere in the article that supports this comment, did I just miss it?
 
I assumed he was responsible for the phone ping, and the Idaho LEO -had verified he was there by executing search warrants.

Now he has also been charged with solicitation of first degree murder, which points toward an accomplice being the subject of the Idaho warrants.

Colorado Police are now saying Kelsey's townhouse was the crime scene. They have found forensic evidence there.
 
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sourdough44 said:
I think the electronic trail we leave can be astounding, to investigators. One needs a ‘Jack Reacher’ mentality to cover the trail. I’m sure investigators know a lot more tricks than is commonly known.
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Stingrays help.
 
SaltH2OHokie said:
Well nobody said you did, or certainly not that you did it on purpose... But there are documented instances of both mistakes as well as straight up railroad jobs... So it does happen.
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Lots of low probability high consequence stuff happens. But just because it DOES happen infrequently doesn't mean it's common.

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hindsight2020 said:
yeah good ol Doss. They just peddle the IFS mission the USAF used to do in-house with the T-3 Fireflys, before they started killing people during spins.

It's pretty worthless as far as screening program is concerned these days (basically flying a piston single under a "boldface" atmosphere....quickest way to cure me from flying if that had been my first exposure to aviation). The product I get from those guys is no better than what IFT (aka part 61 straight up civilian with no standards control) provided me, and certainly much more expensive to the taxpayer. But that's by design. With the whole watering down of the UPT program of today, as an attempt at cranking out more pilot production, they really could just shut down that contract and nothing would change.

But the name of the game is jerbs jerbs jerbs, and the DOD budget is not exactly known for being accountable. That they [Pentagon] have the chutzpah to rationalize the unaccounted money as a justified opportunity cost of being gifted 700 billion dollars a year, while expansion of Medicare is blasphemy, that's just the cherry on top. My wife sews my gritty busted gloves, and I went a year without visor cover, while they're more than happy to replace scratched visors galore at more than 10x the cost of a patch of leather (ended up going private and buying my own in order to exercise some modicum of respect to the taxpayer). Low-approach half the students' off-station approaches so my 3-cord tires (used to be 7) will last me enough to come back to base without another odd-ten-thousand dollar extra manhours in repo flights and mx personnel drive-outs to the outstation... but 700 billion they say. Yeah, it's a big effin club alright....and we ain't in it! :D

Sorry for the de-rail, back to your regular programming.
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Translation, please?
 
weilke said:
Nothing like the anonymous comments section of the local news site to bring out the hate.
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True there's a lot of chaff, but a lot of truisms in there as well. Side slam mats as accessories to murder isn't a new thing in the least. If what you're taking exception to is the lack of "decorum" in online written exchanges, that's kinda a known quantity too. "It's just the internet bruh", prosaic a summation as it may be to some.
 
weilke said:
Nothing like the anonymous comments section of the local news site to bring out the hate.
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Didn't even see the comments -- I normally use Firefox with NoScript. It blocks anything that puts tracking cookies on your computer and other "trash" as well.
 
hindsight2020 said:
yeah good ol Doss. They just peddle the IFS mission the USAF used to do in-house with the T-3 Fireflys, before they started killing people during spins.

It's pretty worthless as far as screening program is concerned these days (basically flying a piston single under a "boldface" atmosphere....quickest way to cure me from flying if that had been my first exposure to aviation). The product I get from those guys is no better than what IFT (aka part 61 straight up civilian with no standards control) provided me, and certainly much more expensive to the taxpayer. But that's by design. With the whole watering down of the UPT program of today, as an attempt at cranking out more pilot production, they really could just shut down that contract and nothing would change.

But the name of the game is jerbs jerbs jerbs, and the DOD budget is not exactly known for being accountable. That they [Pentagon] have the chutzpah to rationalize the unaccounted money as a justified opportunity cost of being gifted 700 billion dollars a year, while expansion of Medicare is blasphemy, that's just the cherry on top. My wife sews my gritty busted gloves, and I went a year without visor cover, while they're more than happy to replace scratched visors galore at more than 10x the cost of a patch of leather (ended up going private and buying my own in order to exercise some modicum of respect to the taxpayer). Low-approach half the students' off-station approaches so my 3-cord tires (used to be 7) will last me enough to come back to base without another odd-ten-thousand dollar extra manhours in repo flights and mx personnel drive-outs to the outstation... but 700 billion they say. Yeah, it's a big effin club alright....and we ain't in it! :D

Sorry for the de-rail, back to your regular programming.
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Same thing we had with the UND ROTC program. Waste of money to send them through B206s, only to repeat the same thing in Army flight school. We gave them a few hours reduction for check rides but very few IPs ever utilized it. Civ flight time helps for the first few hours. After that, everyone is on a level playing field.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/content/army-cuts-rotc-helicopter-training-und
 
Mtns2Skies said:
Those details are horrible and gruesome. That guy deserves way worse than rotting in a jail cell the rest of his life.

I too, hate people.
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Special place in hell for that guy. I mean, who seriously thinks: "You know what? A baseball bat is the best way to off someone. Nice, clean, and quick."
 
SoonerAviator said:
Special place in hell for that guy. I mean, who seriously thinks: "You know what? A baseball bat is the best way to off someone. Nice, clean, and quick."
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Someone who has obviously never played cricket.

You always wonder what trips the switch in someone's head to go down that path with someone you're in a relationship with.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
That switch doesn't exist in the heads of most people.
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Well, I mean the dude was with the girl long enough to have a kid and get engaged. I find it hard to believe that someone thinks, "I need to meet a nice girl that I can start a family with and then kill her" and has planned to kill her from the beginning. What tripped the breaker?
 
Mtns2Skies said:
Those details are horrible and gruesome. That guy deserves way worse than rotting in a jail cell the rest of his life.

I too, hate people.
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I originally posted the same words to describe the post in my update, then deleted them to only include “Update.” It’s sad, disgusting, terrible- every negative superlative applies here. The poor woman... the terror she must have felt... the pain, the anguish of knowing she would never see her daughter or family again. Prison will hopefully dole out a special terror and anguish for the pile of human garbage that was once her fiancé.
 
EdFred said:
Well, I mean the dude was with the girl long enough to have a kid and get engaged. I find it hard to believe that someone thinks, "I need to meet a nice girl that I can start a family with and then kill her" and has planned to kill her from the beginning. What tripped the breaker?
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Trying to get inside the head of a psychopath using the context of a sane person is not rational.

You have to understand that these people are not normal. Their brains don't work like yours or mine. We like to think they walk around with "I'M A PSYCHOPATH" tattooed on their foreheads and it's obvious for people to stay away from them, but that's not what happens as often as we'd like. It's not unlike a narcissist. Sometimes it's more obvious, sometimes they can hide it better for a long time, until it's too late.
 
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