iPad vs. Nexus 7

Jay Honeck said:
Interesting. I was just having this conversation with a guy who was all jazzed about the new 128 GB iPad, and he was incredulous when I told him I still had 9 (of 16) gigabytes free on my Nexus 7?

And that's with every sectional chart on board.

With Cloud storage, there is little need for enormous onboard storage anymore. The only place I can't access the Cloud is in flight -- thus the need to store onboard charts -- but literally everywhere else I go has internet service. The ability to access my data from anywhere, across numerous platforms (smartphone, tablet, PeeCee, laptop) is wonderful -- and I don't need to clog up my devices.

I was on St. Joseph's Island last weekend -- an uninhabited island accessible only by boat -- and had 3G connectivity. I was amazed.
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Heh. Come north of your old stomping grounds. The amount of acreage in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and even Illinois that only offers Edge network speeds is staggering. And some of them are sloooow even for Edge. I doubt Verizon is much better up here.

Which is why I don't rely on the cloud for everything when I'm traveling.

And then there is my summer home which doesn't have cellular service at all.
 
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I went 32GB on the Ipad. I keep music on the phone.

Foreflight, books and photos on the Ipad.

Since we flight plan for 83 KTS, just having Florida loaded should be sufficient for awhile and saves me a ton of space.
 
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ElPaso Pilot said:
Apple's 128GB iPad Just Gave Every Android Tablet Manufacturer A Headache
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What a dumb article. Like "OMG, Apple is brilliant! Who'd have thought you could put 128G in a tablet?!?! Sheer genius!"

Really? Like we haven't seen steady growth in memory capacities in every other device we own?

My only comment is, why did they take this long?! And why didn't they do it with their last refresh, which came so closely on the heels of their previous refresh that it pi$$ed off some of their loyal base (like my buddy, Mark!) Now they can anger those of us that spent a grand five weeks ago and would have preferred more memory then!

The more I live with Apple the more I grow to dislike them.
 
Inverted said:
The 128gb iPad 4 is supposed to be released next week.
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Hmmm.

What I really want is a Mini with the specs of an iPad 4 instead of an iPad 2, (or at the very least a Retina display) and the 128GB option. Sigh. I'm still plodding along with the original iPad because it's tough to make a decision on a device and a carrier for the upgrade, and this didn't help any.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Interesting. I was just having this conversation with a guy who was all jazzed about the new 128 GB iPad, and he was incredulous when I told him I still had 9 (of 16) gigabytes free on my Nexus 7?

And that's with every sectional chart on board.

With Cloud storage, there is little need for enormous onboard storage anymore. The only place I can't access the Cloud is in flight -- thus the need to store onboard charts -- but literally everywhere else I go has internet service. The ability to access my data from anywhere, across numerous platforms (smartphone, tablet, PeeCee, laptop) is wonderful -- and I don't need to clog up my devices.
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I dunno - I like to keep all the sectionals, enroutes, etc. up to date all the time for the entire ConUS. That's 7 GB-ish. When the updates come out, for a few days there's two of everything until the effective date of the new stuff - So, 14GB. OS takes a few, I have 10 more GB of music and probably another 10 or more of pictures, etc...

I don't like to keep stuff on the cloud for several reasons. I love showing people pictures on my iPad, but if I had to wait for 'em to download, fuhgeddaboutit. Same with music. I probably don't need to keep a copy of One Six Right on there, but I do anyway. :D

Devices don't get clogged, but pipes do - I'd rather have things accessible at all times regardless of the status of my Internet connection. :dunno:

I was on St. Joseph's Island last weekend -- an uninhabited island accessible only by boat -- and had 3G connectivity. I was amazed.
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Why? It's not like it's that far from civilization, and it's got easy line of sight to some reasonably populated areas. Now if there was actually a tower on the island, I might be more amazed.
 
LDJones said:
What a dumb article. Like "OMG, Apple is brilliant! Who'd have thought you could put 128G in a tablet?!?! Sheer genius!"

Really? Like we haven't seen steady growth in memory capacities in every other device we own?
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I think the point was more that Apple is shipping next week, and nobody else has one ready with that much storage.

My only comment is, why did they take this long?! And why didn't they do it with their last refresh, which came so closely on the heels of their previous refresh that it pi$$ed off some of their loyal base (like my buddy, Mark!) Now they can anger those of us that spent a grand five weeks ago and would have preferred more memory then!

The more I live with Apple the more I grow to dislike them.
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Valid points, but the rest of the industry is as or more guilty of these same things. And it's not like they upped the memory for the same price or dropped the existing prices - The thing you and your buddy bought costs the same now as it does then.

What's got me is more the price delta between the low and high end. Comparing the extremes now, there's a difference of $430 between them, and the ONLY difference is an extra 112GB of memory and a 3G chip. IMO, they really need to cut down on their gouging on the higher capacities.
 
The difference between 16G and 32G on the Nexus is $50, half what apple charges.
 
LDJones said:
The difference between 16G and 32G on the Nexus is $50, half what apple charges.
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Yep. That's where Apple needs to be. iPad 4? $499. Add nothing more than 112GB of storage and 4G and it's $929. Going with $50 increments on the storage and 4G would reduce that to a more reasonable $699. I know they love their margins, but I think it'd increase sales more than enough to make up the difference.
 
In the "tablet makers are stupid" category...

It exists! The charging dock for the Nexus 7, promised by ASUS last August, predicted a dozen times by every Android website, ridiculed by every Android pundit, and ordered by me before it was actually in-country, has finally shipped!

This has been the dumbest cluster performed by any manufacturer, ever. ASUS has a product that has sold tens of millions of copies, making a charging dock a GUARANTEED $400 million dollar seller -- and they don't make one until 7 months into the production run? WTF?

A rare example of an Asian manufacturer being incredibly stupid.
 
Jay Honeck said:
In the "tablet makers are stupid" category...

It exists! The charging dock for the Nexus 7, promised by ASUS last August, predicted a dozen times by every Android website, ridiculed by every Android pundit, and ordered by me before it was actually in-country, has finally shipped!

This has been the dumbest cluster performed by any manufacturer, ever. ASUS has a product that has sold tens of millions of copies, making a charging dock a GUARANTEED $400 million dollar seller -- and they don't make one until 7 months into the production run? WTF?

A rare example of an Asian manufacturer being incredibly stupid.
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There have been "other" docks available for the Nexus 7 for a few months now. Prices vary from $13.00 up to $56.00.
I've been waiting for someone else to test one. :D
 
With Android support for saving data on SD cards on most platforms (not my Nexus 7, but most of them) are many people really that limited with 32 or 64G internal?
 
JimNtexas said:
With Android support for saving data on SD cards on most platforms (not my Nexus 7, but most of them) are many people really that limited with 32 or 64G internal?
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Sadly, neither my N7 nor Galaxy Nexus support external storage.
 
JimNtexas said:
With Android support for saving data on SD cards on most platforms (not my Nexus 7, but most of them) are many people really that limited with 32 or 64G internal?
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As soon as they incorporate an SD card in the Nexus the issue goes away.
 
LDJones said:
As soon as they incorporate an SD card in the Nexus the issue goes away.
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And they won't. Part of the reason why is the lack of a standard for mounting external storage. One some devices internal memory is /sdcard, in others that's external memory.

I have a phone with a 32GB SDCard, but since it's /extSDCard, it's not visible to my apps.
 
TMetzinger said:
And they won't. Part of the reason why is the lack of a standard for mounting external storage. One some devices internal memory is /sdcard, in others that's external memory.

I have a phone with a 32GB SDCard, but since it's /extSDCard, it's not visible to my apps.
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That's just a standardization issue that can be easily overcome if they choose to.
 
X3 Skier said:
Just like Android itself. :rofl:

Cheers
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With flexibility comes some inherent chaos. But with flexibility ultimately comes power. I think Android is doing remarkably well. I've carried an Android phone for three years and have had about the same number of issues as I've had with my iPod Touch and my two iPads.
 
Shepherd said:
There have been "other" docks available for the Nexus 7 for a few months now. Prices vary from $13.00 up to $56.00.
I've been waiting for someone else to test one. :D
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I've had one of the "other" aftermarket docks since last September, use it daily, and can vouch for two reasons it (and all other aftermarket N7 docks) sucks:

1. It docks the unit on the microUSB port. This is precarious, hard to find, and always feels like it's going to break.

2. Because of the location of the microUSB port on the N7, the unit docks in the portrait orientation. Not optimal for viewing pix, watching video, etc.

The new dock uses the four gold "pogo pins" on the side of the unit to charge, neatly putting the N7 in landscape mode. This leaves the microUSB available for other things -- like external storage.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3...
 
roddie said:
Sadly, neither my N7 nor Galaxy Nexus support external storage.
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Untrue. With the proper cable you can use any USB thumb drive to store/retrieve data with the Nexus 7.

Google it, or do a search for it in the Android forums.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S3...
 
Jay Honeck said:
Untrue. With the proper cable you can use any USB thumb drive to store/retrieve data with the Nexus 7.
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Not what I meant - I have the dongle setup. I'm talking support for microSD storage to map to /sdcard like the other Android devices I've owned. I'm guessing you knew what I was talking about, though :)
 
roddie said:
Not what I meant - I have the dongle setup. I'm talking support for microSD storage to map to /sdcard like the other Android devices I've owned. I'm guessing you knew what I was talking about, though :)
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Well, actually, no. I was only responding to what you said. :D
 
So, Jay, what was your source for the dock? B&H? I'm still waiting for a plentiful supply so I can order a pair of them.
 
OK, in large part because of this thread I now have a Nexus 7 running Garmin Pilot. Sold my iPad for $400, so I"m ahead of the game. Pretty rare in aviation!

Playing with Pilot in the car (haven't flown with it yet) I noticed that the tablet automatically shut down after its auto-shutdown setting of 5 minutes. I don't want this with Pilot running, but I can't find a setting in Pilot that will override the device setting. I know it's possible because I am also running Copilot Live (terrestrial GPS with all maps on board the device) and it has such a setting.

Am I missing something? Is there an app?

TIA
 
airdale said:
OK, in large part because of this thread I now have a Nexus 7 running Garmin Pilot. Sold my iPad for $400, so I"m ahead of the game. Pretty rare in aviation!

Playing with Pilot in the car (haven't flown with it yet) I noticed that the tablet automatically shut down after its auto-shutdown setting of 5 minutes. I don't want this with Pilot running, but I can't find a setting in Pilot that will override the device setting. I know it's possible because I am also running Copilot Live (terrestrial GPS with all maps on board the device) and it has such a setting.

Am I missing something? Is there an app?

TIA
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I've been through this, too.

According to Garmin support (and I can find the e-mail they sent me when I asked this question), the Nexus will go into sleep mode at whatever your normal timeout setting is. If you are in the Garmin Pilot app, and moving >40kts, the app will prevent the Nexus from going to sleep. I set the timeout to 30 minutes. When I've taken my Nexus flying, it's rare that 30 minutes will go by without me touching the screen anyway.
 
If you are in the Garmin Pilot app, and moving >40kts, the app will prevent the Nexus from going to sleep.
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Odd behavior, but satisfactory I guess. I'm sure it was intuitive to the guy who designed it.

Thanks.
 
airdale said:
Odd behavior, but satisfactory I guess. I'm sure it was intuitive to the guy who designed it.

Thanks.
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It makes perfect sense for a "default" feature/setting; where they fell short is not making the threshold configurable or allowing us to disable it.
 
airdale said:
Odd behavior, but satisfactory I guess. I'm sure it was intuitive to the guy who designed it.

Thanks.
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roddie said:
It makes perfect sense for a "default" feature/setting; where they fell short is not making the threshold configurable or allowing us to disable it.
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Here's a snippet from the e-mail I got from Garmin:

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The application is designed to have the screen stay on while you are in flight. If the application detects that you are moving over 40kts the screen will stay on and not go to sleep.

You could also in the settings of the Nexus 7 change the time for the back light so it does not time out, but the application if it detects movement will keep the screen from going to sleep.[/FONT]
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airdale said:
Am I missing something? Is there an app?
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If you don't like the Garmin Pilot behavior you can download 'Tasker' which is not terribly intuitive but can easily be set to disable the display timeout when a specific application is running. It can also do more complex things like keep display on when Bluetooth is connected and external power is available for when I use my Android Phone as a music player in the car.
 
It was only a matter of time. Both will continue to grow in sheer numbers.
 
agree.
Money follows money, so hopefully thats good news for Garmin Pilot app development and other Android aviation apps.
 
Anyone using "Avilution AviationMaps" ?
I'm using Garmin Pilots with my nexus but downloaded this software to try it out! By theway I can't use Naviator ! it has multiple crashes on my Nexus7 and basically it's useless !
 
Staples finally had the Nexus 7 16 GB back in stock and I picked up two today to replace the ones that bricked. 24 hours later, they are still running.:D

Cheers
 
X3 Skier said:
Staples finally had the Nexus 7 16 GB back in stock and I picked up two today to replace the ones that bricked. 24 hours later, they are still running.:D

Cheers
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Good luck! Don't run the battery down to zero!
:D
 
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