iPad vs. Nexus 7

denverpilot said:
And in further proof that Nexus 7 was a direct competitor to the Kindle Fire...

Looks like Amazon had to jump higher.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/08/30/1423214/kindle-fire-is-sold-out-forever

Kindle Fire 2: Will it look just like a Nexus 7 and do the same stuff? We shall see...
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We can hope!

These gadgets will eventually cost what they're worth in materials alone, and will be able to do anything and everything we want. The iPad started the ball rolling, the Nexus 7 gave the ball a swift kick toward affordability. The future looks pretty cool.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
 
denverpilot said:
Kindle Fire 2: Will it look just like a Nexus 7 and do the same stuff? We shall see...
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I am fairly confident it won't do the same stuff. Google gets to tout that Android is free, and it is.

However if a manufacture wants any of the things people associate with Android, like Google Maps, Mail, Chrome browser, Good App store, they need to pay for it. That can cost as much as $70 a device.

Amazon was smart enough to provide an alternative to all those things (other then maps), being they have there own app store, own content, and created a slick browser. There are many email clients you can download from the app store (one might even come on it, not sure).

Anyway, this is how Amazon was able to undercut everyone else, and the ironic thing, is they used Googles software for free, to cannibalize all the tablet sales from manufacturers Google was earning revenue from.

So my guess is the next one will still not have the Google suite on it. It should be better hardware, and sell for less money. It might have more capability, like a web cam and GPS, and some third party utilities to take advantage of them, but that's about it.
 
Mafoo said:
I am fairly confident it won't do the same stuff. Google gets to tout that Android is free, and it is.

However if a manufacture wants any of the things people associate with Android, like Google Maps, Mail, Chrome browser, Good App store, they need to pay for it. That can cost as much as $70 a device.

Amazon was smart enough to provide an alternative to all those things (other then maps), being they have there own app store, own content, and created a slick browser. There are many email clients you can download from the app store (one might even come on it, not sure).

Anyway, this is how Amazon was able to undercut everyone else, and the ironic thing, is they used Googles software for free, to cannibalize all the tablet sales from manufacturers Google was earning revenue from.

So my guess is the next one will still not have the Google suite on it. It should be better hardware, and sell for less money. It might have more capability, like a web cam and GPS, and some third party utilities to take advantage of them, but that's about it.
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Should they be free? Do they cost nothing to develop? If you built Google Maps would you give it away?
 
Henning said:
Should they be free? Do they cost nothing to develop? If you built Google Maps would you give it away?
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Depends on the business strategy. IIRC Chrome at least is built on webkit which is GPLed so it pretty much has to be "free". The "work, produce, sell it" methodology will send you to a bankruptcy lawyer rather fast in IT. Giving stuff away can be more profitable than not. Keep in mind, people are the product, not the software.
 
Henning said:
talk about thread drift.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
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This thread is encyclopedic already with the history of digital devices, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Business 102, legal theories, NFC, ad nauseum.

I check it once in a while to see if there's any new info on the Nexus 7 use in aviation which was purported to be the original topic. :D

Cheers
 
Henning said:
Should they be free? Do they cost nothing to develop? If you built Google Maps would you give it away?
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Nope. I have no issue with there business model. Just explaining it, so my theory as to why the Kendel Fire 2 will not do the same thing as the Nexus 7 is better explained.
 
bartmc said:
Depends on the business strategy. IIRC Chrome at least is built on webkit which is GPLed so it pretty much has to be "free". The "work, produce, sell it" methodology will send you to a bankruptcy lawyer rather fast in IT. Giving stuff away can be more profitable than not. Keep in mind, people are the product, not the software.
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Considering the problems and glitches I find with Chrome (and every other 'open source' piece of software I have tried) I admit it should be free because that's all it's worth IMO. Money is the product... People are a resource being sold for the product, the devices apps are the mining equipment to get to those resources. Personally I'd rather pay the boat for stuff that I want that works the way I want.
 
Henning said:
Considering the problems and glitches I find with Chrome (and every other 'open source' piece of software I have tried) I admit it should be free because that's all it's worth IMO. Money is the product... People are a resource being sold for the product, the devices apps are the mining equipment to get to those resources. Personally I'd rather pay the boat for stuff that I want that works the way I want.
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Outside of internet explorer, every browser out there is based on Open Source rendering engines. Are you saying IE is your preferred browser, because it's better then the others?

Please, for the love of god, don't tell me that's what your saying. :yikes:
 
Mafoo said:
Outside of internet explorer, every browser out there is based on Open Source rendering engines. Are you saying IE is your preferred browser, because it's better then the others?

Please, for the love of god, don't tell me that's what your saying. :yikes:
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No, on a PC I use Firefox, seems to have the least glitches and best controls while consistently rendering and working with all the websites I use properly. The problem I have isn't with the concept of open source, it's with the typical results and to my experience, utter lack of documentation or producer support. It's like Linux, might be the best thing going, but I don't have the time or inclination to figure out ow to make it work and do what I want. "It's free" means nothing to me if it costs me time and frustration.

On the iPad I use Safari and my phone is Android, so I'm guessing that's some variant of Chrome? Sucks like Chrome but good enough for a phone.
 
And just FYI... you see that ".php" in the url for this site? That's an open source web development language.

You used and extremely robust open source technology, to tell me you think it sucks. Just thought that was funny :)

http://php.net/license/index.php
 
Henning said:
No, on a PC I use Firefox, seems to have the least glitches and best controls while consistently rendering and working with all the websites I use properly. The problem I have isn't with the concept of open source, it's with the typical results and to my experience, utter lack of documentation or producer support. It's like Linux, might be the best thing going, but I don't have the time or inclination to figure out ow to make it work and do what I want. "It's free" means nothing to me if it costs me time and frustration.

On the iPad I use Safari and my phone is Android, so I'm guessing that's some variant of Chrome? Sucks like Chrome but good enough for a phone.
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the first line about firefox:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox

"Mozilla Firefox is a free and open source web browser..."
 
Mafoo said:
the first line about firefox:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox

"Mozilla Firefox is a free and open source web browser..."
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As I said, I don't think open source in and of itself sucks, I said that many of the open source pieces of software I have tried suck, including IMO Chrome after having used it for a year. I can make the distinction between concept, basis and implementation.
 
Ahh, I guess I read to much into this line then:

Henning said:
Considering the problems and glitches I find with Chrome (and every other 'open source' piece of software I have tried) I admit it should be free because that's all it's worth IMO.
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I too am looking forward to the Ipad 7, but with the Nexus, will it run Foreflight? Or are they developing,
I like foreflight.
I also thought it was a great comparison for a base line.
thank you for sharing with novices like me.
 
DaytonaLynn said:
I too am looking forward to the Ipad 7, but with the Nexus, will it run Foreflight? Or are they developing,
I like foreflight.
I also thought it was a great comparison for a base line.
thank you for sharing with novices like me.
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Foreflight is iOS only. Not sure if they have plans to make an Android version. I have not heard anything that would lead me to believe they are working on such a thing.

If the iPad 7 comes out and is economical, I suspect there will be even less chance. Apps like Pandora need to run on hardware people own. Apps like foreflight people buys hardware for. If the delta between a 7" iPad and the Nexus 7 is small, there will be little incentive for the developers to invest in making an android version.
 
Mafoo said:
Foreflight is iOS only. Not sure if they have plans to make an Android version. I have not heard anything that would lead me to believe they are working on such a thing.

If the iPad 7 comes out and is economical, I suspect there will be even less chance. Apps like Pandora need to run on hardware people own. Apps like foreflight people buys hardware for. If the delta between a 7" iPad and the Nexus 7 is small, there will be little incentive for the developers to invest in making an android version.
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Very true. There is zero incentive to make Foreflight for Android, simply because they sell a relatively tiny number of copies of their software -- probably measured in the thousands of copies.

For most software, that's barely background noise.

Basically, general aviation software is created by enthusiasts. They're certainly not doing it to get rich.
 
Yea. One thing that could change there mind and make an Android version however, would be they could then sell there own hardware.

If instead of paying $150 for Foreflight, I paid $400 for it, and got a purpose built 7" Android tablet, that would be cool. They could commission Asus to make it (like Google did), and put a cockpit friendly display on it.

I would buy that.
 
Mafoo said:
Yea. One thing that could change there mind and make an Android version however, would be they could then sell there own hardware.

If instead of paying $150 for Foreflight, I paid $400 for it, and got a purpose built 7" Android tablet, that would be cool. They could commission Asus to make it (like Google did), and put a cockpit friendly display on it.

I would buy that.
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If it retained all of the functionality of a Nexus 7-type tablet, I would, too.

This stuff is changing so quickly, it's hard to keep up. Asus just released a new tablet in the last few days with the Nexus 7 processor and Jelly Bean (the latest Android OS) but with added 4G connectivity. I don't need/want that, but I know a bunch of people who do. I'll bet it sells like hot cakes, although I haven't seen a price for it yet.

At the rate prices are falling, though, soon they will be selling us the Foreflight software, and throwing in the hardware for free... :lol:
 
Henning said:
As I said, I don't think open source in and of itself sucks, I said that many of the open source pieces of software I have tried suck, including IMO Chrome after having used it for a year. I can make the distinction between concept, basis and implementation.
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There is terrible open source software and terrible closed source software. The closed source/open source factor has very little to do with the actual quality of the product.
 
jesse said:
There is terrible open source software and terrible closed source software. The closed source/open source factor has very little to do with the actual quality of the product.
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But it plays a big role in what support is available IME.
 
Henning said:
But it plays a big role in what support is available IME.
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This was years ago now, but I remember talking to the project lead for IRIX, SGI's version of unix, and he was telling me about when they open sourced it.

He said an amazing thing happened. Once the 130 or so developers who were working for him at the time realized that everyone in the world was about to see there code, they seemed to put in a whole lot of overtime on things that before didn't seem all that important.

Open Source software can be a very good thing :)
 
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Mafoo said:
This was years ago now, but I remember talking to the project lead for IRIX, SGI's version of unix, and he was telling me about when they open sourced it.

He said an amazing thing happened. Once the 130 or so developers who were working for him at the time realized that everyone in the world was about to see there code, they seemed to put in a whole lot of overtime on things that before didn't seem all that important.

Open Source software can be a very good thing :)
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ROFL... funny. I could see that.

There's also some insular "open" groups that don't listen to their customers. That's a recipe for disaster, too. (Glaring at GNOME here... Heh.)

IRIX and SGI dying was kinda sad. They had some cool stuff but never really realized that the world had given up on proprietary "Workstations" that cost $10K a seat. Too focused on that, they got run over by cheap pizza boxes and wicked fast laptops.
 
X3 Skier said:
This thread is encyclopedic already with the history of digital devices, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Business 102, legal theories, NFC, ad nauseum.

I check it once in a while to see if there's any new info on the Nexus 7 use in aviation which was purported to be the original topic. :D
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We're on page 18, do you think you'll ever see a post relevant to the original topic again? ;)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
We're on page 18, do you think you'll ever see a post relevant to the original topic again? ;)
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probably not, but this thread is better then the 4-5 iPad/N7 that would pop up if we were forced to stay on topic.

Now everyone else only needs to skip over one :)
 
Executive Summary: Some people like iPads, some people like Nexus 7's, and some people don't like either one.

There... you can make it a Sticky. :)
 
denverpilot said:
Executive Summary: Some people like iPads, some people like Nexus 7's, and some people don't like either one.

There... you can make it a Sticky. :)
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I have both and love both for different reasons! And have current chart subscriptions on both!
 
Hate to post something relevant to the original post but Garmin pushed out a Pilot update that added Nav data to the map screen on the Nexus 7 and fixed some spurious FC errors. I'm impressed with their responsiveness. More updates to follow shortly for the Nexus 7.
 
LDJones said:
Hate to post something relevant to the original post but Garmin pushed out a Pilot update that added Nav data to the map screen on the Nexus 7 and fixed some spurious FC errors. I'm impressed with their responsiveness. More updates to follow shortly for the Nexus 7.
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Now, if the store would actually let me upgrade my Nexus 7 instead of now saying 'This version is incompatible with your device'
(Apologies for the on-topic post)
 
chartbundle said:
Now, if the store would actually let me upgrade my Nexus 7 instead of now saying 'This version is incompatible with your device'
(Apologies for the on-topic post)
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Weird. Mine automatically updated to the new version.

This Garmin update resolved my ONLY complaint with the device. In commemoration of the event (not really) we just bought our THIRD N7 today. Yes, Mary -- the gal who played with my iPad for 20 minutes, laughed, and tossed it back at me two years ago, pronouncing it a "Pretty useless POS" (and never touched it again) has fallen in love with the Nexus 7, too.

We had to go to four stores in 3 cities to find one. Luckily, we were on our way home from some R&R in San Antonio, so this wasn't too tough, but, wow, they are selling 'em as fast as they can make 'em.

Sent from my Nexus 7
 
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