To add to the above, provided there are no IFR operating limitations per 91.9 and the aircraft is equipped per 91.205 then it can operate under IFR.What makes an IFR aircraft?
In my experience, those type aircraft are usually only equipped to fly VFR vs have a limitation preventing IFR.but I see a lot of sale listings for VFR aircraft.
What makes an IFR aircraft? I would have thought any aircraft with standard instruments would be capable of IFR flight, but I see a lot of sale listings for VFR aircraft.
If you have an older aircraft, you need to be equipped per 91.205 and have the requisite inspections.
If you have a newer aircraft, it must not be limited by its operating limitations to VFR as equipped and have the requisite inspections.
The whole point of light sport is supposed to be to be a simpler path to get into the air. If you want to do more complicated stuff, you get a private. You can fly a (properly equipped) light sport under instrument rules if you are an instrument rated private pilot, but you need either a medical or basic med.Off topic, but why isn't there a instrument rating add-on for light sport? The electronics don't weigh much of anything these days. Is it just that the controllers don't want to deal with practice approaches at 60 knots? (I can actually see that as a thing.)
I agree with @Salty about the pilot path. The requirements for the instrument rating are so significantly higher than just VFR private, that sport to private would be a non-event in comparison. So go ahead and do it Can probably arrange to do a combined checkride,Off topic, but why isn't there a instrument rating add-on for light sport? The electronics don't weigh much of anything these days. Is it just that the controllers don't want to deal with practice approaches at 60 knots? (I can actually see that as a thing.)
What makes an IFR aircraft? I would have thought any aircraft with standard instruments would be capable of IFR flight, but I see a lot of sale listings for VFR aircraft.
Perhaps pedantic as hell but I think the distinction is limited.Let me start by saying: This is pedantic as hell, but in some cases it may be an important distinctions.
LSA operating limitations do not limit the planes from operating IFR, it limits the operation in IMC. This allows instrument training in LSAs, and instrument flying in LSAs as long as you don't fly into a situation where visibility is below VFR allowable.
It is, in my opinion, one of the worst clarification failures of the LSA airworthiness rules.
"sort of IFR aircraft"?
LOL! Kind of:Night flight is like that, sometimes, for me. Most recently in nearly-empty western Nebraska, with an overcast and a new moon.
Regulations aside, I cannot imagine that flight without an attitude indicator and rate of turn indicator, at a minimum.
The whole point of light sport is supposed to be to be a simpler path to get into the air. If you want to do more complicated stuff, you get a private. You can fly a (properly equipped) light sport under instrument rules if you are an instrument rated private pilot, but you need either a medical or basic med.
With light sport it’s easy to confuse aircraft and airmen regulations, but they are separate things. A private pilot can fly a light sport above 10k if they have a medical or basic med, but they have to stay below 10k (and follow all the other light sport rules for airmen) if their medical is expired.
I don't disagree with a lot you say but I think the bolder part misses an important point - that only about 10-20% of instrument flight is about skill in flying instruments. 80-90% is about operating in a fairly tightly controlled system where pilot errors have immediate impact. I don't doubt a sport pilot can be capable but I don't see the FAA removing some level of medical certification and jumping through the tiny hoop of upgrading to private as a gateway into that system.I suppose that may be the intent for introducing LS, but not sure that's really how it's worked out. I went light sport first, simply because I wanted to learn tailwheel first, and the aircraft I was flying didn't have either lights or gyros. Later on I picked up my private. The main difference to me is the lack of night and instrument training. The rest is really pretty much the same. The main advantage of LS for a lot of people is that they don't have to ever get a medical. I had a class 3 anyway, as I initially thought I'd go straight to a private, but that's probably an unusual case.
I think light sport has been pretty successful, in safety and in utilization, so I makes sense to me to extend it a bit. Older PPL's can switch to basic med, but that doesn't help people coming in new, who are safe to fly, but don't want to deal with the expense of a process designed to be rigorous enough for an Airbus captain just to fly a carbon cub. I think most people that can learn how to land a low wing loading aircraft in a crosswind can learn how to fly instrument, and that they wouldn't be any more of a hazard than someone with a PPL doing the same thing in a 182.
Just my 2 cents.
It makes no sense. If it weren’t for less privileges with a lower bar lsa would serve no purpose. The argument here is why private needs a medical in the first place.I don't disagree with a lot you say but I think the bolder part misses an important point - that only about 10-20% of instrument flight is about skill in flying instruments. 80-90% is about operating in a fairly tightly controlled system where pilot errors have immediate impact. I don't doubt a sport pilot can be capable but I don't see the FAA removing some level of medical certification and jumping through the tiny hoop of upgrading to private as a gateway into that system.
I don't/didn't disagree, especially since upgrading to private from sport is so easy.It makes no sense. If it weren’t for less privileges with a lower bar lsa would serve no purpose. The argument here is why private needs a medical in the first place.
It makes no sense. If it weren’t for less privileges with a lower bar lsa would serve no purpose. The argument here is why private needs a medical in the first place.
I disagree with you. Having people flying around in IMC in light sport aircraft is not progress in my view. I’d prefer focusing on lowering the medical requirements for private. Flying in imc in a light wing load aircraft is far more dangerous than flying a heavier single engine aircraft without a third class medical. JMOFrom a pilot perspective, it's less privileges. From a risk management side, I believe it's mainly the weight and speed limit that they care about. The lighter the wing loading and the lighter the aircraft, the less noise it makes if the pilot screws up and drops it out of the sky. It's about consequences more than anything else, not earned privileges.
I agree that 3rd class medical isn't a good thing, but the FAA is highly risk averse, so they're going to take baby steps, if any, always. Sport pilot was a baby step, so was basic med. My argument is that as long as the risk isn't demonstrated to be all that high, we can continue to push for fewer restrictions - more privileges with sport, basic med w/o class 3 first, etc. *Should* we have to keep pushing for small incremental changes? Doesn't matter much, that's how it works. We live in a country where fear drives a lot of decisions.
I disagree with you. Having people flying around in IMC in light sport aircraft is not progress in my view. I’d prefer focusing on lowering the medical requirements for private. Flying in imc in a light wing load aircraft is far more dangerous than flying a heavier single engine aircraft without a third class medical. JMO
I have enough LSA time in “sporty” weather to know I don’t want to be in a cloud in one.