I want to fly fighter jets..

Well, that would likely be the route you need to take to get a seat in a US military fighter at this point.:lol:

That's what I was going to say. Get elected president and then as commander and chief, you should be able to demand fighter instruction. Likely you will not be doing a second term.
 
Ok, that's fine. Now go down to the Armed Forces Recruiting office and see if you like their version of reality any better.

LOL!!

Unfortunately for the OP the armed forces have more than enough applicants.
 
Ok, that's fine. Now go down to the Armed Forces Recruiting office and see if you like their version of reality any better.

Are you kidding recruiters will tell you anything. You want to fly jets, drive tanks, and kill terrorists? Just sign here. 6mos later you're day dreaming about choke slamming the recruiter while peeling potatoes hahaha
 
Learn! Read about it. It makes what your describing look like a walk in the park!

Anyone yelling at someone to learn and read should have at least learned to use you're and your correctly.
 
Are you kidding recruiters will tell you anything. You want to fly jets, drive tanks, and kill terrorists? Just sign here. 6mos later you're day dreaming about choke slamming the recruiter while peeling potatoes hahaha

Then you encountered a rare and unfortunate example of the species. Or, you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Then you encountered a rare and unfortunate example of the species. Or, you don't know what you're talking about.

Weird...posted before I was done typing.
 
Last edited:
Then you encountered a rare and unfortunate example of the species. Or, you don't know what you're talking about.

Recruiters are scum bags in every sense of the word. However I do appreciate there service. My best friend from high school is a marine recruiter, he has to hit numbers in order to keep recruiting in his home town. He has flat out told me he says whatever he needs to to sign people, including going to court dates to tell the a judge that they will be going into the military. He has gotten a lot of people out of small charges an into the military.
 
Hohenfels...where you are stuck in the mud while choking on the dust. Seems I spent every November there several years. What a $h!thole.

We did Grafenwöhr (Camp Kasserine anyone) twice annually, once a year was a crossover straight into the box at Hohenfels. Only did Wildchicken once before it closed to US forces.

Glad I'll never have to visit any of them again.


Jim R
Collierville, TN

N7155H--1946 Piper J-3 Cub
N3368K--1946 Globe GC-1B Swift
N4WJ--1994 Van's RV-4
 
Recruiters are scum bags in every sense of the word. However I do appreciate there service. My best friend from high school is a marine recruiter, he has to hit numbers in order to keep recruiting in his home town. He has flat out told me he says whatever he needs to to sign people, including going to court dates to tell the a judge that they will be going into the military. He has gotten a lot of people out of small charges an into the military.

That just makes your friend a scum bag, or you a poor reporter of his conversations. A judge offering charge dismissal in exchange for enlistment is not legal. It's called a corecive enlistment, and was a practice from decades ago.

Could your buddy bear character witness and mention the impending enlistment to a judge? Sure. And as a routine event? Not happening. Marines or any other service.

Sure, "Small" charges may not automatically disqualify. . .sometimes even felonies; as an actual example, a bone-headed principal and a screw-ball prosecutor got a felony conviction based on fireworks in a school bathroom. The kid was a stellar candidate otherwise, so the service waivered him in. On the other hand, serious charges (like robbery) may be pleaded down to misdeamors. If that's the case, the kid is out of luck, "Small" charge or not.

I might be wrong, but my intuition is you didn't make the cut when attempting to enlist, hence the vitriol. I could be wrong. . .
 
That just makes your friend a scum bag, or you a poor reporter of his conversations. A judge offering charge dismissal in exchange for enlistment is not legal. It's called a corecive enlistment, and was a practice from decades ago.

Could your buddy bear character witness and mention the impending enlistment to a judge? Sure. And as a routine event? Not happening. Marines or any other service.

Sure, "Small" charges may not automatically disqualify. . .sometimes even felonies; as an actual example, a bone-headed principal and a screw-ball prosecutor got a felony conviction based on fireworks in a school bathroom. The kid was a stellar candidate otherwise, so the service waivered him in. On the other hand, serious charges (like robbery) may be pleaded down to misdeamors. If that's the case, the kid is out of luck, "Small" charge or not.

I might be wrong, but my intuition is you didn't make the cut when attempting to enlist, hence the vitriol. I could be wrong. . .

Sounds like you got a little PTSD it's ok the bad men won't touch you anymore.
 
Intuition is a wonderful thing. . .I'm thinking it was the ASVAB.
 
Do yourself and others a favor and ignore your intuition when flying or operating motor vehicles it's not very good.
 
You can re-take the test; there are some good prep books out there, and if you show some initiative (and maturity) many recruiters will help you prepare.
 
Unfortunately all recruiters are good at is acting like a the cool guy while hanging out at party's with underage 18-20yr olds. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they got you hook line and sinker. It's ok no need to be embarrassed they are good at what they do.
 
A judge offering charge dismissal in exchange for enlistment is not legal. It's called a corecive enlistment, and was a practice from decades ago.

Actually, this is not correct. A judge cannot dismiss a case this way, it's outside what a judge does. The prosecuting attorney can drop the charges in exchange for entry to military service. It's no more coercive than a plea bargain (it IS one) and perfectly legit.

Now there's still the catch that the military has to be willing to accept you, which isn't guaranteed.
 
The only problem with military recruiting is they lie to you about what you're fighting for, that's why overall suicide losses for combatants and vets are so high, higher than combat; some figure it out and can't live with themselves. A least they could be honest or reinstate conscription so people didn't have to damn themselves volunteering.
 
Last edited:
The only problem with military recruiting is they lie to you about what you're fighting for, that's why overall suicide losses for combatants and vets are so high, higher than combat; some figure it out and can't live with themselves. A least they could be honest or reinstate conscription so people didn't have to damn themselves volunteering.

Has nothing to do with being lied to. People aren't naive about their duties expected of them in combat. There are very few Sgt Bergdahls out there.

The suicide rate for those who have never been deployed in the Army equals those who have deployed. Most had mental issues before they came in and were exacerbated by the stresses of military life.
 
thank you.....Henning. :D

I don't consider losing as many combat soldiers to suicide as combat as particularly humorous, not to mention rate amongst vets 50% higher than the grossly high number we have already. If it wasn't for suicide our national gun gun death number would be 1/3rd of what it is and the whole gun control debate would have little merit. Our nation lives in a state of directed delusion, and these recruits are the ones that pay the highest toll, and God counts it against us as a society because they just negated the culmination of a lot of his work over our lies.
 
The only problem with military recruiting is they lie to you about what you're fighting for, that's why overall suicide losses for combatants and vets are so high, higher than combat; some figure it out and can't live with themselves. A least they could be honest or reinstate conscription so people didn't have to damn themselves volunteering.

Which branch of the US Armed Forces were you in Henning? How many recruiters did you talk to?
 
Which branch of the US Armed Forces were you in Henning? How many recruiters did you talk to?

I'd also like to ask if he's ever done anything in the military or experienced what those who have committed suicide have. Before he says with certainty what it is that drives them to do it.
 
Actually, this is not correct. A judge cannot dismiss a case this way, it's outside what a judge does. The prosecuting attorney can drop the charges in exchange for entry to military service. It's no more coercive than a plea bargain (it IS one) and perfectly legit.

Now there's still the catch that the military has to be willing to accept you, which isn't guaranteed.

What would happen, occasionally, is that a judge, out of ignorance, but with good intentions, would make dismissal contingent on enlistment. A back-in-the-day thing, but it did happen; modern times, sure, a prosecutor makes the offer, and the candidate applies. When he discloses (admits the arrest, or otherwise) to the recruiter, that will pretty much DQ the candidate. One arrested, the odds are long (but not impossible) against accession.

If a prosector is wiling to wait out the recruitment and accession process (typically four or five months, but sometimes up to a year), and the recruiter is willing to work the waiver process on behalf of a recruit with an arrest, the kid could still make the cut.

But the post I responded to was perjorative nonsense, in that none of the service recruiters are making regular and frequent appeals to judges and prosecutors to give little Johnny a pass, so he can enlist. And recruiters aren't promising GED candidates with 50 ASVAB scores that a F-22 cockpit awaits them.

The nature of the follow-on posts are a probably a good indicator of the poster's credibilty; pretty sure folks here can make that judgement without further from me.
 
I don't quite understand how the subject of recruiters is relevant to wanting to fly fighter jets. Enlisted recruiter =/= Officer program recruiter.
 
I don't quite understand how the subject of recruiters is relevant to wanting to fly fighter jets. Enlisted recruiter =/= Officer program recruiter.


This. I spent 22 years active duty Army and I never dealt with a recruiter.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
 
I don't quite understand how the subject of recruiters is relevant to wanting to fly fighter jets. Enlisted recruiter =/= Officer program recruiter.

Yep, but most people don't realize that and (some) get sold a bill of goods.

I don't have any real personal stories of recruiter behavior for AD, but I occasionally hear some stories when I'm at airshows. You know - EVERYONE was 'going to go to flight school but...' blah blah. According to many of those guys, they were less than a week from leaving for flight school when they changed their mind/eyes went bad/pilot training numbers dropped. Most of those stories are from guys who didn't have a degree (and thus couldn't be an officer)... guess that was the recruiters fault? :dunno::yikes::rofl:
 
All I know is....I took my cuz flying a couple of years ago....and now he's flying in an F-15E.

Bum....:goofy:
 

Attachments

  • hi mom.bmp
    hi mom.bmp
    3.5 MB · Views: 38
  • jet 1.JPG
    jet 1.JPG
    54.2 KB · Views: 25
Had a recruiter walk up to me in a mall when I was 17, he said; You a junior or senior. I said; I would be a junior but they threw me out of school again. He said; what is your friend's name?:lol: Seemed pretty honest to me.:rofl:
 
Yep, but most people don't realize that and (some) get sold a bill of goods.

I don't have any real personal stories of recruiter behavior for AD, but I occasionally hear some stories when I'm at airshows. You know - EVERYONE was 'going to go to flight school but...' blah blah. According to many of those guys, they were less than a week from leaving for flight school when they changed their mind/eyes went bad/pilot training numbers dropped. Most of those stories are from guys who didn't have a degree (and thus couldn't be an officer)... guess that was the recruiters fault? :dunno::yikes::rofl:
This... Spot on.
 
I don't quite understand how the subject of recruiters is relevant to wanting to fly fighter jets. Enlisted recruiter =/= Officer program recruiter.

First contact for an officer candidate could be any recruiter, and the process varies at times, and by service. Coast Guard, for example - a "regular" recruiter may carry the ball for an officer candidate all the way through package submission, depending on geo and program. Process varies by program in the DoD services, even from year to year.

Air Force runs an on-line chat room for prospects (or did - I haven't looked lately), as does/did CG; ask and answer with a live recruiter, usually up to speed on enlisted and officer programs.
 
I just talked with a guy in AF SUPT and he is 38. He was already an officer and already in the guard. He found a unit to take him and a few waivers and here he is in UPT. Dang I might need to try that but between waiver, OTS, then SUPT..Ill be 40 so Ill give up my dream. At least I got to see someone do it. haha
 
First contact for an officer candidate could be any recruiter, and the process varies at times, and by service. Coast Guard, for example - a "regular" recruiter may carry the ball for an officer candidate all the way through package submission, depending on geo and program. Process varies by program in the DoD services, even from year to year.

Air Force runs an on-line chat room for prospects (or did - I haven't looked lately), as does/did CG; ask and answer with a live recruiter, usually up to speed on enlisted and officer programs.

I did talk to an enlisted recruiter (in the common out of ignorance way) when I was in high school. He said something to the effect of "no way you are getting into flight school with these grades/etc, you should enlist, you can go in undesignated and figure out what you want from there". I told him no thanks, turned around and left, and 10 years later I was flying grey Navy jets off the boat. This was prior to 9/11, and I hadn't really become serious about it at that point, so I guess that helped in not biting when he cast the bait. Long story short, I'm aware that the process is often skewed or unclear in an applicant/hopeful's mind. My only point is that if you are barking up the correct tree in such a pursuit, they aren't really in a position to need to lie to you.
 
Flying was out for me because of my eyesight at the time, but I originally wanted to go in the Navy as an officer, through OCS. About two years in to my college program I learned about the Army direct commissioning program where you could enlist with two years of college, get a bar through OCS then make up the two remaining years while on active duty.

Whether or not I had been bull shat to I don't know, but I never did follow up on the commissioning program, and just completed my enlisted tour, having concluded that a career of humping large quantities of weapons and gear through freezing mountains wouldn't be that much more fun as an officer.
 
I did talk to an enlisted recruiter (in the common out of ignorance way) when I was in high school. He said something to the effect of "no way you are getting into flight school with these grades/etc, you should enlist, you can go in undesignated and figure out what you want from there". I told him no thanks, turned around and left, and 10 years later I was flying grey Navy jets off the boat. This was prior to 9/11, and I hadn't really become serious about it at that point, so I guess that helped in not biting when he cast the bait. Long story short, I'm aware that the process is often skewed or unclear in an applicant/hopeful's mind. My only point is that if you are barking up the correct tree in such a pursuit, they aren't really in a position to need to lie to you.

Roger, roger - the process leaves a great deal on the applicant to figure out, most certainly for officer candidates. Especially over the last decade, with so many more qualified applicants than slots for them to fill.

They'll hand-hold enlisted to a much greater degree, but even there, just meeting the min quals may get you a "sorry, you didn't make the cut." What's published as minimally qualifying usually won't get you sworn in, unless you pick the right recruiter, at the right time in the FY, in the right location. It can help your case, if female or minority, unless that office has already done well in those areas.

It isn't nice, even kinda cruel, but I've seen "DQ competitions" in an office, where recruiters see who can legitimately disqualify a walk-in the shortest time. Some offices are even appointment only now. . .

In fairness, I've seen some above and beyond, too - a senior recruiter moved heaven and earth to get a minor waiver for a great kid , an emancipated minor (17), working full time, taking care of two younger siblings (parents passed). His great aunt lived in the house, but he was really it, sole source. No surprise to anyone that he was successful. Good, tough kid, way mature beyond his years.
 
"I want to fly fighter jets" - yeah, and I want a unicorn. Both are about as likely to happen !
 
"I want to fly fighter jets" - yeah, and I want a unicorn. Both are about as likely to happen !

Both can happen with a visit to the toy aisles of your local megamart.:yes: Enjoy your unicorn.:D
 
"I want to fly fighter jets" - yeah, and I want a unicorn. Both are about as likely to happen !

Better start shopping for saddles because I spoke with a recruiter and he pretty much guaranteed me a spot in fighter plane school. Said I will come right in as an admiral with no boot camp required.
 
Better start shopping for saddles because I spoke with a recruiter and he pretty much guaranteed me a spot in fighter plane school. Said I will come right in as an admiral with no boot camp required.

Wow! Fleet or Rear?
 
Back
Top