I tried, I really tried.

[poadeleted21]

Went today for my first solo with my fresh HP/Complex endorsement. Weather was marginal VFR due to the smoke. Picked a direction to get out of the smoke. Thought to myself, I haven't used the iPad in a while, I'll give it another shot, the Bonanza interior is bigger and this thing might just work in here. Yoke mount? Nope no where to put it. Kneeboard? Nope still in the way, tossed it into the empty PAX seat. I made the decision aim low and use it as an AFD replacement. I loaded up all the airports, re-famalirized myself with the buttonology, tossed it in the PAX seat and fired up. Alternator was showing a discharge so i went and grabbed my A&P problem was a loose ground stud on the alternator, snugged that up. Total down time, approx 30 minutes, fired back up and away I went. Reached over to grab the iPad... A big yellow triangle saying something about needing to cool down. Meanwhile, the POS (or so I'm told) $150 AV8OR was chugging along and became my primary source for radio frequencies etc.. while the iPad was busy having a heat stroke... I tried... again... I give up... again. You can tell me I'm using it wrong by leaving it in the seat for half an hour and I'll tell you the AV8OR is doing it right by not making me worry about it, and it was 1/10th of the investment.

On a side note, I stopped at the local watering hole after the flight, and struck up a conversation with a couple, the lady was a rep for honeywell in Seattle in town for the weekend visiting family, She says that the idea isn't to liquidate the AV8OR and shut off support for it, but to find the right price point that it will sell, she says they plan on supporting it for the foreseeable future and are still pushing it as a product. Makes a little sense in that the base model has risen from $150 to $200 but I'm still suspicious.

 

[kyleb]

On a side note, I stopped at the local watering hole after the flight, and struck up a conversation with a couple, the lady was a rep for honeywell in Seattle in town for the weekend visiting family, She says that the idea isn't to liquidate the AV8OR and shut off support for it, but to find the right price point that it will sell, she says they plan on supporting it for the foreseeable future and are still pushing it as a product. Makes a little sense in that the base model has risen from $150 to $200 but I'm still suspicious.

Honeywell is sunsetting this product.

They may support it for a while, but I'm pretty sure they have stopped making them. I was at Aircraft Spruce yesterday and spoke with one of the guys at the walk-up counter who indicated that they weren't expecting any more.

 

[Mafoo]

A couple things.

When you use the built in GPS, it gets crazy hot. The people who don't have the 3G/4G models don't have to worry about it (because there is no GPS chip in those).

I suspect when I get the ADS-B box, the temp will go down. However I have yet to see that screen.

Also, in reviewing that other thread where everyone crapped all over the AV8OR, I think they did so at a $600 retail price.

Once it dropped, people agreed it was worth the cost. When it was the price of a Garmin, people were correct in putting it down.

 

[Sac Arrow]

Bart, dont become reliant on electronic devices. They are great and I use them but don't embark on a flight where you "need" them to complete the flight.

 

[Mafoo]

Bart, dont become reliant on electronic devices. They are great and I use them but don't embark on a flight where you "need" them to complete the flight.

umm... so you make sure you can always complete your flights with the master switch off?

 

[Sac Arrow]

umm... so you make sure you can always complete your flights with the master switch off?

VFR, yes.

 

[Mafoo]

VFR, yes.

lol, I guess that's true.

 

[wabower]

Don't know where you were during the (oft-delayed) development of the Avi8or, but it was supposed to signal BK's rededication to GA, be a great product, blah blah yadda yadda. When none of that proved true and the QA of the units was one notch lower than a gypsy engine overhaul, they fell like a rock and have been resting on the bottom of the desirability pile ever since. To think that the great unwashed is going to come a'runnin to pick up one of those cream puffs at any price might be a tad-bit optimistic, so you're probably safe standing at the counter buying as many more as you need.

Insofar as the iPad being used in pro cockpits, I haven't heard a single peep about screen too big, can't use it, no place to put it, etc, When I hear the high-pitched groaning and grousing from the newbs I wonder whats wrohg with this picture, and wonder if our brightest and best are leading the charge.

 

[poadeleted21]

Don't know where you were during the (oft-delayed) development of the Avi8or, but it was supposed to signal BK's rededication to GA, be a great product, blah blah yadda yadda. When none of that proved true and the QA of the units was one notch lower than a gypsy engine overhaul, they fell like a rock and have been resting on the bottom of the desirability pile ever since. To think that the great unwashed is going to come a'runnin to pick up one of those cream puffs at any price might be a tad-bit optimistic, so you're probably safe standing at the counter buying as many more as you need.

Insofar as the iPad being used in pro cockpits, I haven't heard a single peep about screen too big, can't use it, no place to put it, etc, When I hear the high-pitched groaning and grousing from the newbs I wonder whats wrohg with this picture, and wonder if our brightest and best are leading the charge.

I have approx 100hrs with an iPad in the plane with me, the first 10 were horrible the other 90 it was in my bag and not irritating me. Today, I gave the iPad a chance to perform as an AFD against my POS gypsy engine overhaul $150 AV8OR. The iPad displayed a very nice yellow triangle telling me about the heat stroke it was having, the AV8OR drew me a magenta line, showed me the frequencies and had excellent display of the surrounding terrain (something my GNS530 in the panel did not) this was especially handy since visibility was 5-6 SM depending on what METAR you wanted to believe. Point being, the iPad still wasn't designed for the cockpit environment, who whouldathunkit? Direct sunlight in a low wing? Half an hour was all it took to kill it? The POS AV8OR sold by a company not near as cultish as Apple outperformed the holy iPad on just being an AFD. This is September in Montana, not July in Phoenix. If anyone want's to coddle and babysit an iPad to coerce it to work for you, by all means do so. But don't kid yourself that it's the best use of electrons in a cockpit, and not even the best at the price point. AV8OR 1, iPad 0

 

[NineThreeKilo]

......Reached over to grab the iPad... A big yellow triangle saying something about needing to cool down. Meanwhile, the POS (or so I'm told) $150 AV8OR was chugging along and became my primary source for radio frequencies etc.. while the iPad was busy having a heat stroke... I tried... again... I give up... again. You can tell me I'm using it wrong by leaving it in the seat for half an hour and I'll tell you the AV8OR is doing it right by not making me worry about it, and it was 1/10th of the investment.
.......

And this, boys and girls, is why we dont rely on electronic whizzbangs for vital information!!

 

[Mafoo]

And this, boys and girls, is why we dont rely on electronic whizzbangs for vital information!!

But he did... just he relied on a different one.

And if he has kept the iPad out of the sun (or turned off), it would have worked for him as well. Or his phone, or the Garmin he has.

 

[Captain]

I tried too. I really really tried.

I bought a top of the line Echo Weedeater. Cost North of $200! Ya see, I had a bit of rust on the side of my pool and I figured the Weedeater would be perfect to blast it off with its malleable rotating plastic string.

Well, each and every time i entered the pool the dand Weedeater would shut off! Well, to be fair it only happened once, but as soon as the motor submerged in my pool it just up and quit...never to restart.

What a POS.

Meanwhile, my old standby and reliable sandpaper worked just fine. I guess this proves once and for all sand paper is leaps ahead of an Echo Weedeater.

 

[wabower]

If you bought the iPad thinking it was a wonderful primary hand-held nav device, you could have (and probably did) find a better device for that specific task. If you bought it thinking Foreflight or some of the other programs were a great EFB packaged in a tablet that included some other neat laptop features (as I and many other flight crews did) then you're probably a much happier guy because you were able to condense all that crap you had been carrying around into a functional machine that provided many other uses as well.

Their well-known propensity to overheat (mine has done so several times in the car but never in the plane) falls into the category of "gotta be smarter than what you're working with" but mine usually cools in a few minutes. But that might change if the GPS system were running. I place the iPad vertically between the seats when not using it in my lap, so it's in a shaded and well-ventilated area when not in use. You might consider a similar tactic.

I have approx 100hrs with an iPad in the plane with me, the first 10 were horrible the other 90 it was in my bag and not irritating me. Today, I gave the iPad a chance to perform as an AFD against my POS gypsy engine overhaul $150 AV8OR. The iPad displayed a very nice yellow triangle telling me about the heat stroke it was having, the AV8OR drew me a magenta line, showed me the frequencies and had excellent display of the surrounding terrain (something my GNS530 in the panel did not) this was especially handy since visibility was 5-6 SM depending on what METAR you wanted to believe. Point being, the iPad still wasn't designed for the cockpit environment, who whouldathunkit? Direct sunlight in a low wing? Half an hour was all it took to kill it? The POS AV8OR sold by a company not near as cultish as Apple outperformed the holy iPad on just being an AFD. This is September in Montana, not July in Phoenix. If anyone want's to coddle and babysit an iPad to coerce it to work for you, by all means do so. But don't kid yourself that it's the best use of electrons in a cockpit, and not even the best at the price point. AV8OR 1, iPad 0

 

[Captain]

The iPad is a wonderful machine. But you have to operate it within its limits. Same as paper charts. You can't place your paper charts in a pail of water or in an open flame and expect them to work either.

You can't even operate a human child in the manner you operated your iPad. Every year in America parents leave their kids locked inside cars in the summer to bake and die. Point is you iPad can't be left in the sun. It's in the manual and there are many threads here talking about it. I wouldn't submerge it, fold it, burn in, or sit on it either.

 

[EppyGA]

If you bought the iPad thinking it was a wonderful primary hand-held nav device, you could have (and probably did) find a better device for that specific task. If you bought it thinking Foreflight or some of the other programs were a great EFB packaged in a tablet that included some other neat laptop features (as I and many other flight crews did) then you're probably a much happier guy because you were able to condense all that crap you had been carrying around into a functional machine that provided many other uses as well.

Their well-known propensity to overheat (mine has done so several times in the car but never in the plane) falls into the category of "gotta be smarter than what you're working with" but mine usually cools in a few minutes. But that might change if the GPS system were running. I place the iPad vertically between the seats when not using it in my lap, so it's in a shaded and well-ventilated area when not in use. You might consider a similar tactic.

He's not going to do any of that Wayne. He just wants a forum to ***** about the iPad.

Don't feed the troll!

 

[Fearless Tower]

When you use the built in GPS, it gets crazy hot. The people who don't have the 3G/4G models don't have to worry about it (because there is no GPS chip in those).

Even the non 3/4G modes will overheat IF you leave them out in the sun. I have seen it once or twice with mine...simply due to leaving it out in the sun during a fuel stop Yuma. I learned quickly not to leave it out and exposed during stops. Haven't had a problem with it since.




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[dell30rb]

What kind of kneeboard do you have for the pad?

Get the kneedock, zagg anti-glare screen protector

This setup works well for me. I don't use it as primary nav, just for charts, AFD and approach plates. And I use it to check weather, receive DUATS briefings and file flight plans.

You might complain that it's bulky but you can't tell me it's worse than dealing with paper charts. You can do well with paper charts but the iPad is easier in the cockpit.

 

[wabower]

Seems to me that more action is required of us. What we should do is help him find that sumbitch who held a gun on him and made him buy that sorryass iPad and beat the crap out of him.

He's not going to do any of that Wayne. He just wants a forum to ***** about the iPad.

Don't feed the troll!

 

[poadeleted21]

If you bought the iPad thinking it was a wonderful primary hand-held nav device, you could have (and probably did) find a better device for that specific task.

This is exactly what I did, my Aera was stolen, I needed to replace it, I bought a Quadra, didn't really like it and then bought an iPad based on 99% of the reviews on here about how cheap it was and how they were able to ditch Garmin. I was thouroughly disappointed to have to find out the truth.

If you bought it thinking Foreflight or some of the other programs were a great EFB packaged in a tablet that included some other neat laptop features (as I and many other flight crews did) then you're probably a much happier guy because you were able to condense all that crap you had been carrying around into a functional machine that provided many other uses as well.

Never crossed my mind. I wouldn't trust it to not carry paper, I have very little need for a marginally functional computer.

Their well-known propensity to overheat (mine has done so several times in the car but never in the plane) falls into the category of "gotta be smarter than what you're working with" but mine usually cools in a few minutes. But that might change if the GPS system were running. I place the iPad vertically between the seats when not using it in my lap, so it's in a shaded and well-ventilated area when not in use. You might consider a similar tactic.

EppyGA's correct, I won't, because I don't have to, and I don't want to, the iPad doesn't give me enough utility to forgive it's shortcomings nor create a checklist for it to keep it working in the sun.

I thought I might have been a little hard on the thing in the other thread so I honestly went out to the airport to make up with it and see if we could have a relationship.. Nope.

 

[poadeleted21]

Seems to me that more action is required of us. What we should do is help him find that sumbitch who held a gun on him and made him buy that sorryass iPad and beat the crap out of him.

That would be the collective here, I think the reviews are a little on the positive side, almost like an advertisement. It's my fault that I didn't read the fine print that the results aren't typical.

 

[wabower]

Different strokes. Lots of other options. And most of the crews bought the iPad so they could stop carrying paper. Which electric typewriter do you prefer, the Remington or the Selectric?

This is exactly what I did, my Aera was stolen, I needed to replace it, I bought a Quadra, didn't really like it and then bought an iPad based on 99% of the reviews on here about how cheap it was and how they were able to ditch Garmin. I was thouroughly disappointed to have to find out the truth.



Never crossed my mind. I wouldn't trust it to not carry paper, I have very little need for a marginally functional computer.



EppyGA's correct, I won't, because I don't have to, and I don't want to, the iPad doesn't give me enough utility to forgive it's shortcomings nor create a checklist for it to keep it working in the sun.

I thought I might have been a little hard on the thing in the other thread so I honestly went out to the airport to make up with it and see if we could have a relationship.. Nope.

 

[poadeleted21]

He's not going to do any of that Wayne. He just wants a forum to ***** about the iPad.

Don't feed the troll!

Don't you think it's a little funny that you're calling me a troll for reporting 100% true and accurate problems I've had with the iPad and the problem's with me?

Don't you also find it a touch ironic that you're accusing me of being unwilling "to do any of that" when in fact, that I would be required "to do any of that" is the main point of my bitching? Give me product that I don't have "to do any of that" and I'll be happy.

 

[poadeleted21]

Different strokes. Lots of other options. And most of the crews bought the iPad so they could stop carrying paper. Which electric typewriter do you prefer, the Remington or the Selectric?

I prefer the 3D printer we have in the front office, it will cut 3D models for all sorts of things. That's not what the $45 printer bought off the shelf at Wal-Mart is, some folks might try to make it so, it aint.

Why would I go buy that overpriced $15,000 3D printer, when you can just go get a $45 ink jet at wally world and put these on.

 

[flyersfan31]

Foreflight on iPad is amazing.

No complaints here. I use it on every flight (and I have an Avidyne Entegra system + 2xGTN650s in the panel.)

It is so easy to get information out of it - flight planning, arrival planning, clearance copying, blah blah blah. All the FAA pubs in one place. The AF/D, plus supplements, plus NOTAMS.

Never had it shut down. Never had it fail. Freakin' amazing bit of kit, that!

 

[Mafoo]

Even the non 3/4G modes will overheat IF you leave them out in the sun. I have seen it once or twice with mine...simply due to leaving it out in the sun during a fuel stop Yuma. I learned quickly not to leave it out and exposed during stops. Haven't had a problem with it since.

Yea, I just meant the problem of heat due to the GPS chip. I didn't mean to imply they were over heat proof.

Poor phrasing in my part.

 

[ElPaso Pilot]

It is what it is.

My old Garmin 296 and iPad back each other up, and both are better because of each other. I like the idea of a cheap GPS and an iPAD.

The 296 is the better magenta line navigator. Primarily because of it's smaller size, terrain, reliability, and handling of airspace details as discrete, scalable objects, not raster scans.

iPad is the replacement for the sectional on my lap. And the AFD. And the laptop to pull up DUATS. And the searches for cheap 100LL. And the AOPA flight planner. And Google Earth to check out the unfamiliar field. And primarily because I don't have to be scrambling all over Hades to buy $80 worth of current sectionals for a long cross country anymore.

It isn't a great magenta line navigator, however.

Kind of like matching a plane to a mission. Looks like someone is trying to fit some expectation of a Mooney in a Cub role. Or vice versa.

 

[Threefingeredjack]

I have never had a paper AFD overheat.

I have never had a power failure on my kneeboard where I write out a flight strip listing the freqs I will need in the order I will utilize them.

Yeah, I can get all that from the gismos, but the one sure thing I have discovered in nearly 14,000 hours of flying: machines break. Depending on a single point that is vulnerable to a single point failure isn't smart.

 

[Mafoo]

That would be the collective here, I think the reviews are a little on the positive side, almost like an advertisement. It's my fault that I didn't read the fine print that the results aren't typical.

Actually, wouldn't it be half the collective here? The other half did the same thing, and went out and got a consumer tablet based on reviews here. (I am going to include the N7, as all your issues would equally apply).


However other then you, everyone who took the advice of the collective are happy with there purchase. Ever think that it might just be you?

 

[X3 Skier]

Anyone who wants to get rid of their iPad, I will gladly accept the donation. Just send me a PM.

I actually had bought mine from the Apple refurb store for personal use while traveling before I learned about the aviation apps. Works both ways for me and even if it was totally useless in the cockpit, which it is not, I am happy with it.

Like I said, all donations of useless iPads greatfully accepted on behalf of my favorite charity.

Cheers

 

[Mafoo]

Depending on a single point that is vulnerable to a single point failure isn't smart.

How many backups make you feel safe about it? If I had 20 of them in the plane, would that make you more comfortable?

 

[ElPaso Pilot]

Actually, wouldn't it be half the collective here? The other half did the same thing, and went out and got a consumer tablet bases on reviews here. (I am going to include the N7, as all your issues would equally apply).


However other then you, everyone who took the advice of the collective are happy with there purchase. Ever think that it might just be you?

Hey, let the guy vent and diss his purchase. It's no skin off your back.

Fortunately, we've all got ability to reject the current gizmo and search for other choices to meet our perceived needs.

Product development and technology advances work better that way.

 

[jesse]

FWIW I flew 1300 miles this weekend in the Flybaby and used my iPhone and iPad as the primary means of navigation and planning. Worked great and wouldn't have wanted to do it without it. The cockpit of the Flybaby is by no means roomy, a C150 is huge by comparison, and I had no issue in using either device.

Given the way the winds were beating me up yesterday it would have seriously sucked not having Foreflight. I was constantly changing my planned stops because of the winds and my terrible groundspeeds. I had one leg averaging 50 knots or under.

I've flown probably 6 or 700 hours with my current iPad and I've never had it over heat but I don't leave it directly exposed to the sun either as I know what'll happen.

 

[X3 Skier]

Depending on a single point that is vulnerable to a single point failure isn't smart.

Agree but when the single motor stopped one time, I wish I had an iEngine.

I carry a couple of Sectional charts as backup JIC, even if they are out of date. :wink2:

Cheers

 

[Mafoo]

Hey, let the guy vent and diss his purchase. It's no skin off your back.

hey I got no problem with anyone not liking anything. He is stating however, for the purpose of everyone reading this anyway, that if you buy a tablet computer for flying because others here say it's great, don't waste your money. They are just delusional.

I have a right to say that's not true

 

[ElPaso Pilot]

hey I got no problem with anyone not liking anything. He is stating however, for the purpose of everyone reading this anyway, that if you buy a tablet computer for flying because others here say it's great, don't waste your money. They are just delusional.

I have a right to say that's not true

Sure. And we can beat each other up over the same high-wing / low-wing personal choices for 300 posts and still not convince the other that they are wrong.

 

[Mafoo]

Sure. And we can beat each other up over the same high-wing / low-wing personal choices for 300 posts and still not convince the other that they are wrong.

Funny that you say this to me, when my last post on this site was:

All good points, and you're right. I will stop arguing mine.

 

[Sac Arrow]

Funny that you say this to me, when my last post on this site was:

Welcome to POA!

 

[John221us]

iPad with ForeFlight is a good piece of equipment. Mine hasn't overheated, but I keep it under the seat, when I am not using it. I don't usually use it for navigation, though.

 

[bbchien]

Two years ago I owned a Verizon iPAD for one night, with foreflight. When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.

Paper never fails.

That having been said, Jepp is getting sooo expensive that it would pay for both an Ipad and the subscription every year. So, I could have TWO.

 

[sacbluesman]

I use a Sky High kneeboard and never had an issue with mine overheating. I don't leave mine in the sun but I don't think Rusty said he did either. I'm wondering if using a Bad Elf or Dual GPS would solve this issue for some. I use my iPad for convenience but I always have the paper goods as a backup.