I tried, I really tried.

Mafoo said:
hey I got no problem with anyone not liking anything. He is stating however, for the purpose of everyone reading this anyway, that if you buy a tablet computer for flying because others here say it's great, don't waste your money. They are just delusional.

I have a right to say that's not true :)
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Not what I'm sayin at all I'm sayin there's better products for aviation at lower price point as an alternate view to the notion that an iPad is a one stop egadget for the cockpit. The iPad doesn't work well enough for me in my situation to recommend it for aviation purposes. I'm your typical weekend spam can flier. 75% Vfr 25% Ifr training. I think ff on an iPhone is wonderful to whip out on the ground. Or as a third level device in the air. Buying an iPad for aviation? I think you can do better. My view based on my experience, it's worth what you paid for it.
 
bartmc said:
Not what I'm sayin at all I'm sayin there's better products for aviation at lower price point as an alternate view to the notion that an iPad is a one stop egadget for the cockpit. The iPad doesn't work well enough for me in my situation to recommend it for aviation purposes. I'm your typical weekend spam can flier. 75% Vfr 25% Ifr training. I think ff on an iPhone is wonderful to whip out on the ground. Or as a third level device in the air. Buying an iPad for aviation? I think you can do better. My view based on my experience, it's worth what you paid for it.
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I think a lot of it just comes down to what you're expecting out of the device and how much experience you've gained using each device.

For example I didn't have any nexrad or ads products during my trip this weekend. But I did have my iPad with Verizon and my iPhone with AT&T. I was always able to get the weather I needed via one or the other including radar and whatever else.

The new winds feature in Foreflight was a huge help for me to determine the most logical cruising altitude given my slow (80 knot) TAS to begin with. That feature alone is pretty big for me. A couple clicks and I could see the differences each altitude would make. Fuel decisions get tougher when you're slow and have limited range while trying to maximize each stop.
 
bartmc said:
Not what I'm sayin at all I'm sayin there's better products for aviation at lower price point as an alternate view to the notion that an iPad is a one stop egadget for the cockpit. The iPad doesn't work well enough for me in my situation to recommend it for aviation purposes. I'm your typical weekend spam can flier. 75% Vfr 25% Ifr training. I think ff on an iPhone is wonderful to whip out on the ground. Or as a third level device in the air. Buying an iPad for aviation? I think you can do better. My view based on my experience, it's worth what you paid for it.
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Just wait till you have your IR
 
bbchien said:
When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.
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I recently found an HP App called HP ePrint that works fairly well with with my iPad and my HP 4 in 1 wifi connected printer (not AirPrint). It's free IIRC. I have not tried it with ForeFlight but it does work with items off the web.

Cheers
 
bbchien said:
Two years ago I owned a Verizon iPAD for one night, with foreflight. When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.

Paper never fails.

That having been said, Jepp is getting sooo expensive that it would pay for both an Ipad and the subscription every year. So, I could have TWO.
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No special printer here but I do have a pc that's left on for a bunch of stuff. Using the files in the link below, took me about 5 minutes to be able to print from any iDevice to my cheapo brother laser printer. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1293865
 
bbchien said:
Two years ago I owned a Verizon iPAD for one night, with foreflight. When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.

Paper never fails.

That having been said, Jepp is getting sooo expensive that it would pay for both an Ipad and the subscription every year. So, I could have TWO.
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I've never been able to get my paper section or A/FD or E6-B to print either. Am I using them wrong?

My point is the iPad is more or less a consumption device, not a production device. My car doesn't print either but I love it.
 
Some flight departments have gone paperless. I'm looking forward to the day when we do too.
 
That's why I bought one.

bbchien said:
Two years ago I owned a Verizon iPAD for one night, with foreflight. When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.

Paper never fails.

That having been said, Jepp is getting sooo expensive that it would pay for both an Ipad and the subscription every year. So, I could have TWO.
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bartmc said:
Don't you think it's a little funny that you're calling me a troll for reporting 100% true and accurate problems I've had with the iPad and the problem's with me? :rofl:

Don't you also find it a touch ironic that you're accusing me of being unwilling "to do any of that" when in fact, that I would be required "to do any of that" is the main point of my bitching? Give me product that I don't have "to do any of that" and I'll be happy.
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I'm just not sure we really needed another thread to express what we already knew about your feelings for the iPad. That's all I'm saying. ;)
 
Doc,

I print to my HP printer all the time. I even print out the current approach charts to use.

I'm happy to help in any way. You have done so much for us, I'd be delighted to try and return the favor. :)

Ron

bbchien said:
Two years ago I owned a Verizon iPAD for one night, with foreflight. When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.

Paper never fails.

That having been said, Jepp is getting sooo expensive that it would pay for both an Ipad and the subscription every year. So, I could have TWO.
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wabower said:
Different strokes. Lots of other options. And most of the crews bought the iPad so they could stop carrying paper. Which electric typewriter do you prefer, the Remington or the Selectric?
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Selectric. That moving ball banging out the letters was freaking AWESOME.
 
Captain said:
The iPad is a wonderful machine. But you have to operate it within its limits. Same as paper charts. You can't place your paper charts in a pail of water or in an open flame and expect them to work either.

You can't even operate a human child in the manner you operated your iPad. Every year in America parents leave their kids locked inside cars in the summer to bake and die. Point is you iPad can't be left in the sun. It's in the manual and there are many threads here talking about it. I wouldn't submerge it, fold it, burn in, or sit on it either.
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Yes, but will it blend?

 
bbchien said:
Two years ago I owned a Verizon iPAD for one night, with foreflight. When I discovered it had NO workable print solution, I paid the restock fee. Airprint does not work to the HP dedicated airprint printers, and I do not have an apple base station.
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Don't need either one, Doc. I print to the wonderful Canon ImageClass MF8380cdw (thanks again Tony for that recommendation! Lord this thing is huge, but it does everything. Two sided color laser, two sided scanning, relatively fast, and lots of other goodies. The only thing that doesn't work on a Mac are the hot buttons for Scan->PC1 and Scan->PC2 the driver just doesn't support telling the Mac what to do) from my iPad all the time from Foreflight.

On the road printing would be harder. Almost every printer manufacturer now has an App for free that will allow any application that implements the "Open File In..." button to print any document in almost any App, by "opening" the document in the manufacturer's printer application.

Unfortunately this didn't seem to work too well with Foreflight, it wants to direct print via the Apple print feature and not "leak" charts out via "opening" them as a "file" in other Apps.

It also requires that you load each manufacturer's App for any manufacturrer's printer you might encounter on a WiFi network mobile, and you may still need to walk up to the printer and figure out what IP address it's on, on any particular LAN.

For documents though, it does work well if you find yourself on a LAN with just about any major manufacturer's printers. They really shouldn't have kludged wireless printing support in that way, but it works. Printed to both the Samsung laser and the non-AirPrint HP as a test right before we got rid of them to new homes. The Canon is shared by a service running on Karen's Mac, and there's similar software available for Windows. Just leave the desktop machine on (or wake it up via Wake on LAN, there's Apps for that too) and hit the print button. iPad sees the queue on Karen's machine as an AirPrint printer and her machine dumps it to the printer itself.

Sounds complex, but it's one of those "set it up and forget it" kinds of things. I print charts from Foreflight all the time, and Karen prints sheet music from the old iPad, regularly. Just walk to the kitchen (yes, our printer lives in our kitchen... Ha...) and grab the paper and a sandwich. Heh.
 
P.S. Doc is right that these tools for printing didn't exist or were flaky two years ago. The ecosystem routed around the damage caused by evil Marketing people at Apple and HP. It always does, eventually. ;)
 
X3 Skier said:
Agree but when the single motor stopped one time, I wish I had an iEngine. :rofl:

I carry a couple of Sectional charts as backup JIC, even if they are out of date. :wink2:

Cheers
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As with anything the iPad replaces outside of gaming and watching video, you'd be real disappointed with an iEngine wishing you had a real engine...;)
 
bartmc said:
You're free to ignore it.
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That is against the fanboi creedo though, on cannot allow an iProduct to be openly dissed without posting at least 10 posts on why you are wrong and the iProduct is perfectly fine for what you want, you just have to lower your expectations to that which Apple has determined you need.
 
flyersfan31 said:
Foreflight on iPad is amazing.

No complaints here. I use it on every flight (and I have an Avidyne Entegra system + 2xGTN650s in the panel.)

It is so easy to get information out of it - flight planning, arrival planning, clearance copying, blah blah blah. All the FAA pubs in one place. The AF/D, plus supplements, plus NOTAMS.

Never had it shut down. Never had it fail. Freakin' amazing bit of kit, that!
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If I'm not mistaken, that aircraft of yours came with air-conditioning.

All that said, the OP is the first I've heard say anything truly scathing about the iPad. Most of the pilots using fore flight are more enamored of it than their spouses or mistresses, or spouses of mistresses for that matter. Were I in the exalted ranks of IFR pilot I would probably find the little things indispensable, though I have to admit that the few charts I carry as a lowly VFR pilot are inexpensive and battery free. The don't overheat, either, though they're hard to read in the dark.
 
And since you don't fly you don't have to worry about it.

Henning said:
That is against the fanboi creedo though, on cannot allow an iProduct to be openly dissed without posting at least 10 posts on why you are wrong and the iProduct is perfectly fine for what you want, you just have to lower your expectations to that which Apple has determined you need.
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steingar said:
though I have to admit that the few charts I carry as a lowly VFR pilot are inexpensive and battery free. The don't overheat, either, though they're hard to read in the dark.
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I have foreflight, and as everyone who does should, I also possess the non battery powered variety.
 
Henning said:
That is against the fanboi creedo though, on cannot allow an iProduct to be openly dissed without posting at least 10 posts on why you are wrong and the iProduct is perfectly fine for what you want, you just have to lower your expectations to that which Apple has determined you need.
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Do you just ignore all the comments where people say other things are better, so you can continue to think like this?

The Garmin Aera 796 is a better tool in a cockpit then the iPad. No one I think is disputing that.

But saying the iPad is useless because it's not the optimum tool, is where you will get some friction.
 
Based on ample evidence here, probably bitched non-stop about the iPad while brow-beating some poor sumbitch about owning an airplane without 9 screens of SVT while worrying that the WX would instantly deteriorate to 0/0.

Henning said:
Interesting, wonder what I did in an Archer last week then...
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wabower said:
Based on ample evidence here, probably bitched non-stop about the iPad while brow-beating some poor sumbitch about owning an airplane without 9 screens of SVT while worrying that the WX would instantly deteriorate to 0/0.
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Nope, just seeing if it was worth telling someone to buy or not. I recommended to buy even though it had a panel from the late 70s in it.
 
Did you make him sign a disclaimer about the grave danger of operating without SVT?
Henning said:
Nope, just seeing if it was worth telling someone to buy or not. I recommended to buy even though it had a panel from the late 70s in it.
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wabower said:
Did you make him sign a disclaimer about the grave danger of operating without SVT?
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He already has plans for either an Aspen Pro or G500 depending on the deal he makes, and a GTN 750. Not everybody needs convincing or even enticing to upgrade to modern avionics which is why we were looking at hangared planes with low time engines. He gets what he wants with the minimum investment.
 
bartmc said:
.. while the iPad was busy having a heat stroke... I tried... again... I give up... again.
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What you and your iPad needed was a nice refreshing glass of:

stevejobs_koolaid.jpg
 
WHAT!?!?

Does this mean someone is accusing Jobs of stealing the formula for Kool Aid in addition to everything else? :hairraise:

Cheers
 
X3 Skier said:
WHAT!?!?

Does this mean someone is accusing Jobs of stealing the formula for Kool Aid in addition to everything else? :hairraise:

Cheers
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He was gonna steal the purple Kool Aid, but it appeared someone else got it first.
 
Threefingeredjack said:
I have never had a paper AFD overheat.

I have never had a power failure on my kneeboard where I write out a flight strip listing the freqs I will need in the order I will utilize them.

Yeah, I can get all that from the gismos, but the one sure thing I have discovered in nearly 14,000 hours of flying: machines break. Depending on a single point that is vulnerable to a single point failure isn't smart. :nono:
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They do break (once and a while). On the other hand, they also are capable of providing the pilot with much more valuable information.............than was ever possible, for most of those 14,000 hrs. The solution of course, is backups. Even if that means one or two extra GPS sources.

L.Adamson
 
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