I will pit my foil hat defenses against Jessie's Juju any day....
A bet I'd take, were it not for my strict policy against games of chance!
I will pit my foil hat defenses against Jessie's Juju any day....
Anybody can invent a "real" name if so needed. Besides, some of the worst offenders purport to use their real names anyway.
How about some programming such as this:
For each post that is made, every member has ONE vote, when viewing that post, towards if that post is offensive, insulting, or whatever rule the mods decide to track. Then, that vote sets an offensive or insulting, etc... posts counter under the members number of posts count.
So, a member could end up with 5 total posts and a 5000 count of insults, or a member could end up with 5000 total posts with zero count of insults. It would quickly show to all members and more importantly the member being rude the feedback that a few or many others don't approve.
Then, you could set criteria such as after 25 or 50 initial posts or whatever the mods decide, if the number of insulting votes exceed say 2 times or 5 times or 50 times the number of posts, then you would automatically be entered into a vote off the island thread or whatever action the admins deem appropriate.
I could see how a ****ing contest could result in a vote back and forth, but since each could only get one vote,the results would likely be small when compared to unbiased viewers who decide to vote. So, a true insult would likely result in a minimum of say 50 votes for just one post. So, having a few votes against you should indicate no big deal. But, if one has a very high number of votes, especially in comparison to the number of total posts since starting such a program, then that could indicate a problem member.
One neat thing about such a program is that it ensures that any mod or admin is not taking any biased action against any member.
Of course, it would be up to the admins to assess the statistics and as time goes on as statistics are collected, the mods may want to adjust the math and formulas.
Interesting. I don't think vbulletin has that ability though. Still a unique idea.
Except I have over 1300 posts and you only have 600'ish, so couldn't I, by my larger posting numbers, crush you if we got into a tizzy where we were voting against each other?
What prevents this type of voting system from devolving into a popularity contest?
How about some programming such as this:
For each post that is made, every member has ONE vote, when viewing that post, towards if that post is offensive, insulting, or whatever rule the mods decide to track. Then, that vote sets an offensive or insulting, etc... posts counter under the members number of posts count.
So, a member could end up with 5 total posts and a 5000 count of insults, or a member could end up with 5000 total posts with zero count of insults. It would quickly show to all members and more importantly the member being rude the feedback that a few or many others don't approve.
Then, you could set criteria such as after 25 or 50 initial posts or whatever the mods decide, if the number of insulting votes exceed say 2 times or 5 times or 50 times the number of posts, then you would automatically be entered into a vote off the island thread or whatever action the admins deem appropriate.
I could see how a ****ing contest could result in a vote back and forth, but since each could only get one vote,the results would likely be small when compared to unbiased viewers who decide to vote. So, a true insult would likely result in a minimum of say 50 votes for just one post. So, having a few votes against you should indicate no big deal. But, if one has a very high number of votes, especially in comparison to the number of total posts since starting such a program, then that could indicate a problem member.
One neat thing about such a program is that it ensures that any mod or admin is not taking any biased action against any member.
Of course, it would be up to the admins to assess the statistics and as time goes on as statistics are collected, the mods may want to adjust the math and formulas.
We started out on this board using the "reputation" system and the "star" system, both of which were disabled after being abused. Now the "tags" system is being abused (and the MC is considering whether it adds value or subtracts value from the board).
I'm a fan of requiring comments because they are attached to a user name instead of stars/reputations/tags that can be manipulated without the person doing be manipulating being known to everyone.
You can add or remove all the features you want and you will never prevent abuse. You can't fix stupid or change human nature, the same problem as with everything, you just have to deal with it.
Correct. But it is a matter of value: if the (anon to the average user) points/reputation/stars/tags systems detract value rather than add, then there's no point in keeping them active. More for the mods to deal with & more opportunity for abuse. If they are net value positive, then it may be worth the effort.
Look around the internet. How many boards are using those features regularly to good benefit? I believe others have reached some of the same conclusions we have.
The problem with all this is you as the MC are becoming a 'nanny state' at this point. You are trying to regulate people's words and thoughts and that can't be done effectively while maintaining respect from the users.
There was a system did a similar function, it was done away with. The Internet is filled with whiny ******* who will even call you at home to tell you they don't like you and call you out yo a fight at OSH like this is High School.
I don't think turning features on/off are being a "nanny state" at all. If those features aren't available, folks can post thoughts in the threads. Personally, I don't see the problem with that.
We're pretty light on moderating the forums, generally trying to follow the Rules of Conduct that everyone agreed to follow when they joined the board. The reason we have a MC of 5 (presently) is because we all have different views and we talk amongst ourselves before taking action (egregious conduct, such as spam, excepted). It really does take a lot to get booted from PoA.
Haven't seen this posted yet. Always a fave:
There was a system did a similar function, it was done away with. This board is filled with whiny ******* who will even call you at home to tell you they don't like you and call you out yo a fight at OSH like this is High School.
Oh, come on -- I'm calling BS on that one.
I've been involved in every possible on-line discussion/argument/dispute since the rec.aviation days -- all under my own name. I've been to OSH every year for 29 years, and thrown a party that is open to ALL members of every on-line forum AT MY CAMPSITE.
Worse, I've owned two aviation themed hotels, frequented by these very same pilots. Needless to say, there has been ample opportunity for some "whiny *****" to come up and pick a fight with me.
It just doesn't happen.
In fact, in every case, when we have finally met face-to-face in Oshkosh, whomever it was, and whatever our dispute may have been, all of us have drank beer and had a fine time. In the end, we are all pilots, people who have achieved something very special, indeed, united in our love of aviation -- and this forum really does not matter at all in that larger picture.
Those who believe that it does are mistaken.
It happened just the other day, swear to what you call God...
Interesting. I don't think vbulletin has that ability though. Still a unique idea.
Except I have over 1300 posts and you only have 600'ish, so couldn't I, by my larger posting numbers, crush you if we got into a tizzy where we were voting against each other?
What prevents this type of voting system from devolving into a popularity contest?
I could see how it could have some aspects of an UnPopularity contest. We may all get some unpopularity votes, but those who really anger or offend others, the numbers would show it. Then for that member, if he sees his own numbers climbing, he may either get the message to tone it down, or he may be bent on getting his number as high as possible, in which case the admins would have plenty of ammo to justify taking action.
It was already done during the early days of this board, there was a "Reputation" scoring and it made a childish mess as children do.
But how was it set up? There are millions of different ways to set up such a system. Because one method did not work doesn't mean another formula won't. It would help if those who knew the system analyzed as to why it did not work.
I saw on this thread some admins expressing frustration and looking for ideas. I have suggested something to consider. They can take it or leave it. If they want more input from me, they can PM me... Otherwise, that is all the input I have.
It doesn't matter because none of them will work, it's like anything else, you cannot control others behavior. You can allow them to do what they do, you can counsel them, and you can banish them, that's really the only three things you can do, everything else is just wasting effort and even making the situation worse because it feeds bad behavior.
This board is great they way it is. It ain't broke, it don't need fixin.
-John
OK, I can understand why you would be against a solution.
It would be like an episode of "TOP SHOT". The guy who seems to have contributed the most to constructive discussions will get the boot.At regular intervals take a "biggest jerk" pole. The top three vote getters are "voted off the island" for a week...or a month...or whatever.
That'd be entertaining!
Maybe quite counter productive but entertaining nonetheless.
"Some people want to fill the world with silly love songs..." - Paul McCartney & Wings
That's a song that I NEVER wanted to be reminded of ever again! You're off the island.
I'd like to know.