Hugh is dead

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Hugh hasn't been running it since 1992. His daughter ran it through 2009. They have been casting about for leadership but the current CEO has been there about a year.
 
From the little I've heard about him, he was a petty and controlling old man and it doesn't sound like he handled aging well. Everyone can joke about the pretty women, but the reality behind it is not a happy reality.

No thanks, one good wife is worth more than anything Hugh Hefner ever called his own. I will never insult my wife by voicing envy for a man who never really learned to love.
 
I think that's an ill-characterization of Heffner. Even if you omit the entire sexual aspects of his life, he was a remarkable man. A champion of civil rights, an astute businessman and philanthropist.
 
flyingron said:
I think that's an ill-characterization of Heffner. Even if you omit the entire sexual aspects of his life, he was a remarkable man. A champion of civil rights, an astute businessman and philanthropist.
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Well, it is formed from his own words and from those who lived with him. The pleasures he enjoyed aren't intended to sustain happiness in the context in which he experienced them. He was free to live as he chose, but I don't believe it brought him real contentment. It's easy to isolate the pleasures from the vice from a distance, but up close hedonistic pleasures rarely sustain their appeal.
 
SkyDog58 said:
I'd sort of like to see centerfolds in black lingerie. I'd even give them a shoulder or two to cry on. Alas, I didn't get invited.
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Crash it! Hell LET's crash it, a bunch of POAers.
 
Think of all of the used up bimbos looking for a new sugar daddy...
 
Anymouse said:
There's a severe lack of them where I'm at right now.

Besides, Kyle got his post in right before mine. I want the high class bimbos that will be at Hef's post funeral reception.
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Alright, me, you, and Skydog are attending so far. Let's see if eman & Norman will go with us too.
 
He sold the mansion recently with the condition that he (and they) get to live there until he dies. Wonder how long the new owner will give them to pack their bags.

"Well ladies, you're welcome to say a little longer..."
 
My godfather actually had a not dissimilar arrangement for the house he lived in. In his case, his wife was the sugar mamma (ironically, he'd been a sugar daddy previously). Anyway, the way her will was written he was given a "small" yearly allowance to spend (more than I'd bet most of us make in a year, certainly more than I make) and a "small" house to live in (more square feet than our house) until he died.

After he died I don't think the kids even waited for the body to get cold before they told his relatives to get everything out of the house. He didn't have a good relationship with his stepkids.
 
Gerhardt said:
Hef was my lifeline when I was in my early teens. Kids today are so spoiled.
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Ha ha I tell my boys that! "When I was your age we couldn't just dial up porn on the internet! All WE had was a copy of a 1968 Playboy in our Dad's sock drawer! And we were happy to have it!"
 
Ted DuPuis said:
After he died I don't think the kids even waited for the body to get cold before they told his relatives to get everything out of the house. He didn't have a good relationship with his stepkids.
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Told my wife when her father died she was going to witness greed like she never had before. I was right. 6 siblings and basically ended up 2 against 4, and to this day one of her brothers (actually two but one shot himself last year) doesn't associate or speak to her.
 
mscard88 said:
Told my wife when her father died she was going to witness greed like she never had before. I was right. 6 siblings and basically ended up 2 against 4, and to this day one of her brothers (actually two but one shot himself last year) doesn't associate or speak to her.
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It's very unfortunately how people will let the death of a member destroy the family. In our case it was a bit before my grandmother died when she went to the nursing home and we started dividing up her things. My uncle stated very strongly that I should have the last pick because his kids were more important, and he didn't want me picking out anything they wanted. Caused some big fighting that the family still hasn't fully recovered from. Mostly water under the bridge now, but not fully. The irony was that my cousins didn't want much stuff anyway. They all had their homes established and had things of their own. My uncle caused a big rift in the family over nothing.

Fortunately when she actually died and it was basically just dividing up money, the will was very clearly written, and so there was no bickering on that. An iron tight will is very important...
 
I've never understood the psychology of inheritance entitlement. it's even more pathetic that some people account for these "windfalls" to tide them over in the sunset of their own lives. seen it in my extended family multiple times. nasty nasty dynamics, and it's not just an American cultural thing; this thing abounds in many countries. I understand generational wealth is built on the back of this highly divisive entitlement dynamic, but historically most inherited wealth is squandered by the third generation, so I don't feel one bit guilty or myopic telling my parents to eat their last nickle. they certainly don't owe me of their grandson a damn thing.
 
I have a brother in law who now (10 years later) will occasionally respond to text messages from my wife such as "Merry Christmas". He had borrowed large sums from his parents and never repaid the money so his parents figured he'd gotten his portion and wrote him out of the will. The problem was they wouldn't tell him that. So he was surprised when the mom (last surviving parent) died and he got little. Since she had lived in our house the last year of her life (he lived in the same town but he seldom visited after she became bed ridden and couldn't take his family out to dinner any more) he assumed we had influenced her. The lawyer told her to hand write a note to him explaining her decision but she refused. We did go out of our way to make sure he got any sentimental things he wanted from the estate but drew the line when he wanted all the collectibles that were worth significant money.

Very sad.

I hope we're doing better with our kids...
John
 
jsstevens said:
I hope we're doing better with our kids...
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Obviously your mother-in-law made a mistake in family relations by not writing the letter her lawyer suggested she do, but I can also understand her not wanting to put those words to paper as a parent. Seems like a hard bit of tough love. Unfortunately creates repercussions for those who stay around.

Then you have situations like the one my family had - grandparents did a very good job, and my uncle decided to be the one to cause problems. In some ways that makes me glad to be an only child. I hope to be able to explain to the kids what we expect, and share stories and outcomes so that hopefully when its their turn, they realize that they don't want things to go the way they did for previous generations.

Some things you have control over, some you don't.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Obviously your mother-in-law made a mistake in family relations by not writing the letter her lawyer suggested she do, but I can also understand her not wanting to put those words to paper as a parent. Seems like a hard bit of tough love. Unfortunately creates repercussions for those who stay around.

Then you have situations like the one my family had - grandparents did a very good job, and my uncle decided to be the one to cause problems. In some ways that makes me glad to be an only child. I hope to be able to explain to the kids what we expect, and share stories and outcomes so that hopefully when its their turn, they realize that they don't want things to go the way they did for previous generations.

Some things you have control over, some you don't.
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Yes, and my kids are all old enough to have witnessed this (and remember). Whether she put it to paper or not she should have been the one to tell him, not us. And not find it out when the will was read. Paper was the lawyer trying to head this off since he knew she wouldn't talk to him about it.
 
I told my younger brother (he was executor in NJ, I'm in AL) that I didn't care if I got anything but one thing I wouldn't do is fight over my share or anything along those lines. As far as I know we didn't have any problems and I received my 1/6th share, but wasn't expecting anything.
 
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jsstevens said:
Yes, and my kids are all old enough to have witnessed this (and remember). Whether she put it to paper or not she should have been the one to tell him, not us. And not find it out when the will was read. Paper was the lawyer trying to head this off since he knew she wouldn't talk to him about it.
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My aunt's mom did similarly when she died. 8 kids, and some of them had borrowed money. The kids who borrowed money called it a gift, their mom called it a loan. The will referenced it as loans, which came out of their cut of the inheritance. I don't think that was expected by the kids who borrowed the money, but they all seem to have worked it out in the end. I don't ever recall there being a rift between those siblings over it, although I may not have been privy if there'd been one. And now, 3 of the 8 have passed. 20 years goes fast.

Honestly, I can see your M-I-L's side of it. Telling your kid that he's written out of the will and then the ensuing argument, potentially having him never speak to you again as you're nearing the end of your life. Yeah, I'm not sure I can blame her for avoiding that discussion, even if it caused problems for you. However the letter would've been a good compromise. The other question is whether his opinion would be any different if they'd had that discussion, or if still blame you and/or feel entitled.

People get really funny over money.
 
Dad has done pretty well, but like others here, I wish he'd spend it on himself. He's not the type. When the time comes there will be some hashing things out between my brother and me. He can have it all. And I know he'll be trying to tell me the same thing. The last thing on earth we'd ever do would be to scrap over $.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
My aunt's mom did similarly when she died. 8 kids, and some of them had borrowed money. The kids who borrowed money called it a gift, their mom called it a loan. The will referenced it as loans, which came out of their cut of the inheritance. I don't think that was expected by the kids who borrowed the money, but they all seem to have worked it out in the end. I don't ever recall there being a rift between those siblings over it, although I may not have been privy if there'd been one. And now, 3 of the 8 have passed. 20 years goes fast.

Honestly, I can see your M-I-L's side of it. Telling your kid that he's written out of the will and then the ensuing argument, potentially having him never speak to you again as you're nearing the end of your life. Yeah, I'm not sure I can blame her for avoiding that discussion, even if it caused problems for you. However the letter would've been a good compromise. The other question is whether his opinion would be any different if they'd had that discussion, or if still blame you and/or feel entitled.

People get really funny over money.
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Indeed. Might not have made any difference. But the decision was made long before the end of life. Years. And he'd probably still have been mad at us. People do get very funny over money.
 
Doesn't take money. My grandpa died. Under mysterious circumstances at the nursing home my cousin was trying to become director of. Her and her parents covered up the death, and then forbid my grandma from seeing her grandkids unless she dropped the investigation. She didn't, and I admire her for it. But the family chose sides and exploded.

Blood is thicker than water. Unless, you know, your kid happens to want a promotion, and then, hey... no grandkids for you until you play ball.
 
jsstevens said:
Indeed. Might not have made any difference. But the decision was made long before the end of life. Years. And he'd probably still have been mad at us. People do get very funny over money.
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Wish there was a "dislike" button for that, but completely true.

Mistake Not... said:
Doesn't take money. My grandpa died. Under mysterious circumstances at the nursing home my cousin was trying to become director of. Her and her parents covered up the death, and then forbid my grandma from seeing her grandkids unless she dropped the investigation. She didn't, and I admire her for it. But the family chose sides and exploded.

Blood is thicker than water. Unless, you know, your kid happens to want a promotion, and then, hey... no grandkids for you until you play ball.
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My mom's always thrown that "blood is thicker than water" mantra at me, and I just haven't seen it in our family. I think she says it because she wishes that it were true. The folks who I know I can call when I truly need help I don't share a drop of blood with. In fact, my blood relatives are consistently the last folks I'd call for help.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Wish there was a "dislike" button for that, but completely true.



My mom's always thrown that "blood is thicker than water" mantra at me, and I just haven't seen it in our family. I think she says it because she wishes that it were true. The folks who I know I can call when I truly need help I don't share a drop of blood with. In fact, my blood relatives are consistently the last folks I'd call for help.
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The family you were born into and the family you make. As long as you've got one you can depend on.
 
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I was flying to Pensacola, commercial, to see my son get his wings; I don't even remember the aircraft make, but it was the typical two-seats on one side, one seat on the other side. I think we were out of Charlotte? Anyway, in the seat next to me was a normal-pretty young woman, petite, fit. Pleasant, nice to look at, articulate. But not necessarily stunning. . . until we were a few minutes out; she asked me to hold a small case, did her make-up in about two minutes, and slipped out of the loose sweatshirt she was wearing.

She was a Playmate, booked for an auto show, car dealership, or something; jaw dropping! both her "new" appearance, and the change. Old enough to be her dad, I was cool with asking about the situation, and she was very open - "I get paid to look attractive, smile, be sexy; it's a job, like any other, and I'll make some $$$ doing it for a while". She was very business like, not cynical or angry, but not too taken with herself, either, at least not based on how she looked. And yes, she had the figure for it.

In her case, Hugh put her in a position to make some money, travel a bit, maybe have some fun. She had the smarts to handle it, understand it's temprary nature, and make the most of it. Not all women from playboy did, of course, but I remember the magazine fondly from my boiling testosterone soaked youth.

And I first read Graham Greene and George Macdonald Fraser in Playboy . . .
 
Sundancer said:
I was flying to Pensacola, commercial, to see my son get his wings; I don't even remember the aircraft make, but it was the typical two-seats on one side, one seat on the other side. I think we were out of Charlotte? Anyway, in the seat next to me was a normal-pretty young woman, petite, fit. Pleasant, nice to look at, articulate. But not necessarily stunning. . . until we were a few minutes out; she asked me to hold a small case, did her make-up in about two minutes, and slipped out of the loose sweatshirt she was wearing.

She was a Playmate, booked for an auto show, car dealership, or something; jaw dropping! both her "new" appearance, and the change. Old enough to be her dad, I was cool with asking about the situation, and she was very open - "I get paid to look attractive, smile, be sexy; it's a job, like any other, and I'll make some $$$ doing it for a while". She was very business like, not cynical or angry, but not too taken with herself, either, at least not based on how she looked. And yes, she had the figure for it.

In her case, Hugh put her in a position to make some money, travel a bit, maybe have some fun. She had the smarts to handle it, understand it's temprary nature, and make the most of it. Not all women from playboy did, of course, but I remember the magazine fondly from my boiling testosterone soaked youth.

And I first read Graham Greene and George Macdonald Fraser in Playboy . . .
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As Paul Harvey would say....

Well he wouldn't 'cause you didn't tell us the rest of the story! Did you, you know... :p
 
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