Here ya go Jack...

ktup-flyer said:
There's more drama between Tom and Glenn than there is on The Bachelor
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I love it...although I'm sad because there hasn't been any recent Tom threads in the maintenance section
 
DesertNomad said:
Wondering if azblackbird knows (is??) benpilot.
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No.

Ben was real. I knew him in person. Well, at least he believed what he said wholeheartedly (his interpretation of the various situations was .... off).

I haven't seen him in a couple of years, but he really did believe the examiner had it in for him and used his logbook as an "excuse" to fail him. It wasn't an excuse; it was illegible.

This guy is obviously making it up.
 
azblackbird said:
I hear ya... I caught the same flack years ago when I was touring the country on my GoldWing. The PG crowd on one of the GW boards I frequented, deemed that if you rode your GoldWing over 100 miles in a day, that you were a very dangerous and careless rider. They really crapped their pants when I posted some of my IronButt rides (1000-1500 miles in a day). You'd swear by their snide and obtrusive remarks, that I murdered and raped all the women, and beat all the young children wherever I rode. :eek2:

Every board has a PG... but whatta ya gonna do? They can try and scare you off (as several here have been) or you can play their silly little games.

I like silly games... :happydance:
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I've stayed out of the earlier controversies, but I need to question this one... 1500 a day?? Even if possible I will be the first one to say unsafe.
Even if riding at 80 mph, that is 19 hours of riding. Obviously you need to stop for food, gas, take a leak... that brings you close to 24 hours of riding at 80 mph.

Where's that flag I'm looking for?? It's yellow, and raises to reveal a BS.
 
Kritchlow said:
I've stayed out of the earlier controversies, but I need to question this one... 1500 a day?? Even if possible I will be the first one to say unsafe.
Even if riding at 80 mph, that is 19 hours of riding.
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Oh man... who settles for 80 mph? Of course the azbb is rolling 130 mph in school zones to feed the odometer. He only slows down for the truck to do en-route refueling. At those speeds you can take a leak and your pants will dry in seconds. With that he still has 12 hours for raping, eating, and sleeping.
 
MAKG1 said:
No.

Ben was real. I knew him in person. Well, at least he believed what he said wholeheartedly (his interpretation of the various situations was .... off).

I haven't seen him in a couple of years, but he really did believe the examiner had it in for him and used his logbook as an "excuse" to fail him. It wasn't an excuse; it was illegible.

This guy is obviously making it up.
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I'd never heard that about benpilot. Did he ever get his license and buy a plane?
 
Kritchlow said:
I've stayed out of the earlier controversies, but I need to question this one... 1500 a day?? Even if possible I will be the first one to say unsafe.
Even if riding at 80 mph, that is 19 hours of riding. Obviously you need to stop for food, gas, take a leak... that brings you close to 24 hours of riding at 80 mph.

Where's that flag I'm looking for?? It's yellow, and raises to reveal a BS.
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I was going to go at him with 20 hours at 75MPH but yeah, crazy unrealistic numbers. Then again if he did 100MPH, it would only take him 15 hours. Maybe that's what he did.
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Kritchlow said:
I've stayed out of the earlier controversies, but I need to question this one... 1500 a day?? Even if possible I will be the first one to say unsafe.
Even if riding at 80 mph, that is 19 hours of riding. Obviously you need to stop for food, gas, take a leak... that brings you close to 24 hours of riding at 80 mph.

Where's that flag I'm looking for?? It's yellow, and raises to reveal a BS.
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Now I feel I must chime in! I'm not saying the op has ever completed a true long distance ride, but I will vouch that those types of rides are done often and done safely by members of the ld (long distance, not learning disabled) motorcycling community.

My IBA # is 409. My wife and I rode to a gold medal finish in the 2011 Iron Butt Rally (I drove, she rode). Our route started in Seattle and we hit the farthest four corners of the contiguous U.S.(Blaine, WA; Madawaska, ME; Key West, Fl; and San Ysidro, CA), all 48 states, and most of the state capitals before stopping in Ontario, CA. We covered 11,587 miles in less than 11 days. And, yes, it was on a Goldwing.

This was one of many rallies we competed in and we frequently rode 1,000 plus mile days. On my way to the start of a rally, I once rode over 1,300 miles riding only during the daylight hours. I have only ridden over 1,500 miles in a 24 hour period once, however. If you research these types of riders and rides you will find the accident per mile for dedicated ld riders is well below the national average.

I had no real reason for doing it.
I loved it. I still do love it. I don't know why.
Same thing with flying.

And your dismissing it as impossible or unsafe is the same type of crap I hear from non-flyers about how silly I am for flying.

ML
 
azblackbird said:
'm also a business owner (internet/advertising) who is launching a new start-up that will allow me to travel the country in an airplane and conduct business. Once again, the PG crowd here crapped their pants telling me I can't conduct business as a private pilot,
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Stretch the truth much? What happened was you said "Another scenario would be that I'm a businessman with clients in various cities and wish to drop off an updated part to their widget they previously purchased from me."

You CANNOT do that with a PPL. It has nothing to do with 'conducting business' and everything to do with carrying cargo.
 
MikeLima said:
Now I feel I must chime in! I'm not saying the op has ever completed a true long distance ride, but I will vouch that those types of rides are done often and done safely by members of the ld (long distance, not learning disabled) motorcycling community.

My IBA # is 409. My wife and I rode to a gold medal finish in the 2011 Iron Butt Rally (I drove, she rode). Our route started in Seattle and we hit the farthest four corners of the contiguous U.S.(Blaine, WA; Madawaska, ME; Key West, Fl; and San Ysidro, CA), all 48 states, and most of the state capitals before stopping in Ontario, CA. We covered 11,587 miles in less than 11 days. And, yes, it was on a Goldwing.

This was one of many rallies we competed in and we frequently rode 1,000 plus mile days. On my way to the start of a rally, I once rode over 1,300 miles riding only during the daylight hours. I have only ridden over 1,500 miles in a 24 hour period once, however. If you research these types of riders and rides you will find the accident per mile for dedicated ld riders is well below the national average.

I had no real reason for doing it.
I loved it. I still do love it. I don't know why.
Same thing with flying.

And your dismissing it as impossible or unsafe is the same type of crap I hear from non-flyers about how silly I am for flying.

ML
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Riding 24 hours is unsafe. Regardless of what anyone says.
 
Flying a plane is unsafe, regardless what anyone says.

You, sir, are ignorant.

ML
 
MikeLima said:
My IBA # is 409. My wife and I rode to a gold medal finish in the 2011 Iron Butt Rally (I drove, she rode). Our route started in Seattle and we hit the farthest four corners of the contiguous U.S.(Blaine, WA; Madawaska, ME; Key West, Fl; and San Ysidro, CA), all 48 states, and most of the state capitals before stopping in Ontario, CA. We covered 11,587 miles in less than 11 days. And, yes, it was on a Goldwing.

This was one of many rallies we competed in and we frequently rode 1,000 plus mile days. On my way to the start of a rally, I once rode over 1,300 miles riding only during the daylight hours. I have only ridden over 1,500 miles in a 24 hour period once, however. If you research these types of riders and rides you will find the accident per mile for dedicated ld riders is well below the national average.
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@MikeLima ... congrats on the 4-Corners, you're definitely in an elite group. That's some heavy duty riding. You have my respect! :thumbsup:

Just be glad you didn't tell the PG here that you flew that distance in an airplane. Their diapers would be full, and they'd all be cackling amongst themselves like a bunch of crazed hens in a henhouse. :rofl:
 
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ragedracer1977 said:
Stretch the truth much? What happened was you said "Another scenario would be that I'm a businessman with clients in various cities and wish to drop off an updated part to their widget they previously purchased from me." You CANNOT do that with a PPL. It has nothing to do with 'conducting business' and everything to do with carrying cargo.
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Comprehend much? Do you know what a "scenario" is?... I didn't think so. Lawdy, lawdy, some of you guys are thick. :mad2:
 
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Can you ride a GW and still consider that 'Iron Butt' anything? That's like cursing in a BarcaLounger... get a Ducati SuperSport and ride that for a few hundred miles... you feel like you just had some bad prison/Boy Scout expierence when you're done.
 
OkieAviator said:
Can you ride a GW and still consider that 'Iron Butt' anything? That's like cursing in a BarcaLounger... get a Ducati SuperSport and ride that for a few hundred miles... you feel like you just had some bad prison/Boy Scout expierence when you're done.
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Sounds like you're speaking from experience. No thank you. :rolleyes:
 
azblackbird said:
Comprehend much? Do you know what a "scenario" is?... I didn't think so. Lawdy, lawdy, some of you guys are thick. :mad2:
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So, pointing out that the scenario you listed is illegal, makes US thick? And arguing for pages that it's not, because some magical accountant and attorney said it wasn't, now means that you knew all along it was illegal; we're just clowns too stupid to read your posts.

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ragedracer1977 said:
So, pointing out that the scenario you listed is illegal, makes US thick? And arguing for pages that it's not, because some magical accountant and attorney said it wasn't, now means that you knew all along it was illegal; we're just clowns too stupid to read your posts.
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In your case you summed it up perfectly! Thank you for playing. :rolleyes:
 
ragedracer1977 said:
Stretch the truth much? What happened was you said "Another scenario would be that I'm a businessman with clients in various cities and wish to drop off an updated part to their widget they previously purchased from me."

You CANNOT do that with a PPL. It has nothing to do with 'conducting business' and everything to do with carrying cargo.
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Yeah, you can, actually. No law of physics to prevent it, and not much chance the Feds could prove your intent, or would care enough to bother. Might or might not break a rule. . .you probably meant SHOULD NOT?

Real world - throw widget in back seat; fly to client, smile, shake hands, talk sports/golf/business. Talk some more business. Hand customer/client the widget, fly home.

Not "illegal", as in criminal. Might break a FAA rule, might not, and it's irrelevant anyway, and FAA doesn't give a rats butt, if a PP happens to bring a widget along on a flight, as long as the PP isn't running a clandestine airborne package delivery service. . .
 
Sundancer said:
Yeah, you can, actually. No law of physics to prevent it, and not much chance the Feds could prove your intent, or would care enough to bother. Might or might not break a rule. . .you probably meant SHOULD NOT?

Real world - throw widget in back seat; fly to client, smile, shake hands, talk sports/golf/business. Talk some more business. Hand customer/client the widget, fly home.

Not "illegal", as in criminal. Might break a FAA rule, might not, and it's irrelevant anyway, and FAA doesn't give a rats butt, if a PP happens to bring a widget along on a flight, as long as the PP isn't running a clandestine airborne package delivery service. . .
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1000's of private pilot business owners across the country do this (or something similar) each and every day. You're exactly right... the FAA doesn't give a rat's ass as long as it's your own personal business matters, and you're not flying cargo or passengers for hire or compensation from other businesses. It's not that hard to understand. :rolleyes:

In my specific case as an ad/internet company owner, my business dealings would entail selling advertising/internet services to clients in underserved communities here in AZ (at least to start with) by using an airplane as a transportation tool to reach those communities. Will I be hauling the tools of my trade (computer, camera, projector, drone, printed material, samples, etc.) with me? Of course I will! How else can I conduct business? :dunno:
 
simtech said:
In before thread lock!
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Nah, I predict a ban. If not here, then in another thread...this thread will be an assist (basketball lingo).

Again, POA gets interesting when the WX is crap. Can we get a green-blue-red-pink dot on the top of the forum pages that equate to the % of the country that is experiencing non-VFR WX? That way I can pay better attention when red or pink and open seemingly mundane thread titles with the hopes of witnessing a gorey accident scene. Or maybe we can get POA airmets or sigmets that connote interesting reading material.

I love Glenn and Tom. It's like a cool TV series. Please don't cancel the show. Please.
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
Nah, I predict a ban.
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For what? Sticking up for myself and not letting the PG crowd run me off like I've seen them do to so many others. :rolleyes:

I spent a good week before I signed up reading tons and tons of threads here (I'm still not finished) trying to digest and pick out those little tidbits that I think would be helpful in my ppl and instrument training. I found many threads where a "newbie" would ask a legitimate question, and then me bumrushed by the PG crowd with a bunch of stupid ass comments. Next thing you know the PG crowd is following him around thread to thread with their dumbass comments basically heckling the poor guy, and then he eventually just gives up and quits posting. I even noticed many of the more established posters caught a bunch of s**t when they first signed up. I guess the PG crowd here are just like a bunch of circling sharks always looking for their next prey.

Sorry, but that's a club I don't want to be in!
 
[7500] Applies to every thread azblackbird has posted in: I'm amused that the full words "peanut gallery" are no longer being used. [/7500]
 
OkieAviator said:
Can you ride a GW and still consider that 'Iron Butt' anything? That's like cursing in a BarcaLounger... get a Ducati Super.Sport and ride that for a few hundred miles... you feel like you just had some bad prison/Boy Scout expierence when you're done.
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Without pictures it didn't happen
 
azblackbird said:
For what? Sticking up for myself and not letting the PG crowd run me off like I've seen them do to so many others. :rolleyes:

I spent a good week before I signed up reading tons and tons of threads here (I'm still not finished) trying to digest and pick out those little tidbits that I think would be helpful in my ppl and instrument training. I found many threads where a "newbie" would ask a legitimate question, and then me bumrushed by the PG crowd with a bunch of stupid ass comments. Next thing you know the PG crowd is following him around thread to thread with their dumbass comments basically heckling the poor guy, and then he eventually just gives up and quits posting. I even noticed many of the more established posters caught a bunch of s**t when they first signed up. I guess the PG crowd here are just like a bunch of circling sharks always looking for their next prey.

Sorry, but that's a club I don't want to be in!
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Do you have a landing calculator yet? They are essential to your training. I would highly suggest getting the metal one. You are going to use it so much that the paper and plastic ones just don't hold up.

You know who invented the landing calculator? Chuck Yeager of course, so you know they are worth it.
 
azblackbird said:
For what? Sticking up for myself and not letting the PG crowd run me off like I've seen them do to so many others. :rolleyes:

I spent a good week before I signed up reading tons and tons of threads here (I'm still not finished) trying to digest and pick out those little tidbits that I think would be helpful in my ppl and instrument training. I found many threads where a "newbie" would ask a legitimate question, and then me bumrushed by the PG crowd with a bunch of stupid ass comments. Next thing you know the PG crowd is following him around thread to thread with their dumbass comments basically heckling the poor guy, and then he eventually just gives up and quits posting. I even noticed many of the more established posters caught a bunch of s**t when they first signed up. I guess the PG crowd here are just like a bunch of circling sharks always looking for their next prey.

Sorry, but that's a club I don't want to be in!
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Not you AZ, just in general. Groups gang up, a few people go nutty, someone says something they shouldn't have, and BAM! The atmosphere is ripe for banage, lol. I'm just the weather forecaster. SIGMET Bravo (B = ban)
 
ragedracer1977 said:
Stretch the truth much? What happened was you said "Another scenario would be that I'm a businessman with clients in various cities and wish to drop off an updated part to their widget they previously purchased from me."

You CANNOT do that with a PPL. It has nothing to do with 'conducting business' and everything to do with carrying cargo.
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Why not? He is not carrying the cargo for hire. He is not being paid to fly the plane, the aircraft is incidental. It's no different than tossing it in the back seat of the car. Same as flying personal A/C to a meeting and bringing a couple colleagues along. As long as you get no more than an even share of expense from each person, it is legal. You can not profit directly from flying with a PPL. You could even deduct the expense on your 1040.
 
azblackbird said:
For what? Sticking up for myself and not letting the PG crowd run me off like I've seen them do to so many others. :rolleyes:
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For being a self proclaimed Internet/Marketing professional and an implied longtime Forum user you sure do seem to have thin skin.
 
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Why not? He is not carrying the cargo for hire. He is not being paid to fly the plane, the aircraft is incidental. It's no different than tossing it in the back seat of the car. Same as flying personal A/C to a meeting and bringing a couple colleagues along. As long as you get no more than an even share of expense from each person, it is legal. You can not profit directly from flying with a PPL. You could even deduct the expense on your 1040.
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It is different than tossing it in the back seat of the car. Don't ask me why, I didn't write the rules. My guess is, based on the statements he made, he's going to have his business pay for the plane. And that's where it gets sticky. If he carries his laptop and stuff, and he personally pays for the flight, that's fine. If he starts carrying around actual 'product' to deliver, we're now getting into carrying cargo. If his business then pays for the cost of the flight, now we're really into some problems.

Is he ever going to get caught? Most likely no. But ramp checks do happen. Or an incident. Or any number of things. I'm a business owner too. I would love to be able to utilize flying to get to my customers and take product and employees with me, while having the company foot the bill. I guess the aviation attorney I spoke to is either much better than his or much worse. Because my attorney said "hahahaha, NO."

If I want to fly for business, that's fine. But I have to pay the tab out of my personal account. If I want my employee to pay 50%, the business can't write me a check. The employee has to. Now, can I bonus the employee in an amount equal to the check he wrote me? Sure, but now we're starting to play with fire...
 
Wasted my time reading this thread. I was hoping something was going to be useful here.

AZblack bird you are local to me What airport do you fly out of? I want to be you Pal.
 
ragedracer1977 said:
My guess is, based on the statements he made, he's going to have his business pay for the plane.
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Plane (wether a rental or owned outright) will be expensed (Schedule C) just as any other equipment is. I don't get paid to fly cargo, I don't get paid to fly passengers. Thus no CPL or part 135 operator required. I'm compensated by selling advertising and internet services. The plane is incidental to the business. I don't know how else to simplify it for you.
 
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