Hangar woes

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So, I like my airport and FBO, problem is, it's nearly an hour drive to get down there. I'm on the list for a T-Hangar but currently share a box hangar with a guy with a 172, it does get old pushing him in and out, especially since I seem to fly 5:1 more than him (Well, not really, he flies someone else's helicopter everyday), but he has the "light" plane so he gets the front :sad: For my efforts, I get to pay 50 bucks more than the guys with their T-Hangar man caves all to themselves. I have my desk, tool box, tool cabinet, vacuum, fridge, microwave, carpet etc.. etc.. etc.. in there. My little oasis "in the back".

Anyway, I called the airport THAT I WORK AT and is a few minutes from my house, and they'll rent me a tie down spot for 75 bucks a month. The idea is too keep the tie down space available as "a staging area" for a couple of after work flight lessons a week and keep the plane in the hangar for any extended amounts of time. i.e. fly plane to tie down on Sat/Sun and fly it back to hangar on Wed/Thursday afternoon. OK that's stupid but considering they want a 20 something buck ramp fee for the privilege of taxing off the runway, it doesn't seem to far fetched to grab the tie down and take the cut rate on fuel. My CFI (who works with me) is willing to fly with me "most" weekends from my current airport, but having the plane parked outside my office and getting a few lessons in a week is more desirable.

So, I call the other FBO *cough* Signature *cough* to make sure I was still on the waiting list for a hangar (that I've been on for 7 months now) and to generally get a feel for the situation there. After some talking, he says he'll put me in "the community hangar while I wait for a T-Hangar" at *cough* Signature *cough* for 100 bucks a month more than my current box hangar situation. That's only 25 bucks more than my current plan of "hangar + tie down". Their advertised fuel prices are $3.00/gal more than my current airport but I got him to give me a more realistic, but still high, number for a "tenant rate" and most of my flying is to other places with more reasonable fuel.

I really don't like hanging out at larger expensive airports with security cards and high fuel prices, but having to drive an hour to an airport with no CFI on duty is cramping my training and really makes having a plane a real joke for anything less than 400 mile trips.

So, what do I do? Give up my man cave complete with greasy carpet and stocked fridge and pay 100 bucks more a month to move my plane 45 minutes closer and much higher fuel, complete with TSA BS.

Anybody based in a Signature community hangar? They going to give me BS when there's a G650 parked in front of me and I want to go flying? How does that work? The community hangar at a big fancy FBO?

Of all the things I can complain about in aviation, I shrug most off and just sign the check, but not being able to park my plane within a reasonable distance has to be my biggest gripe. Today was the first I've heard of being able to get into a community hangar and I just cant bear the thought of strapping it to ramp in coastal Georgia, I would have had a stroke during the storm we had today.
 
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Tough choice. Would it be hard to get back in a box hangar if you don't end up liking the community hangar?
 
Tough choice. Would it be hard to get back in a box hangar if you don't end up liking the community hangar?

Probably, it's taken me a while to work my way up to this situation.

One other caveat is that one of the better Bonanza A&Ps around (who's willing to work with me on annuals etc..) is about 50 yards away from my current hangar. That's probably the biggest issue.

Another issue is that my wife hates the 45 mile 1hr drive to the current hangar.
 
Probably, it's taken me a while to work my way up to this situation.

One other caveat is that one of the better Bonanza A&Ps around (who's willing to work with me on annuals etc..) is about 50 yards away from my current hangar. That's probably the biggest issue.

I was in a box for a short time, but it was big enough that there was no need to move planes and my hangar mate moved out after a couple of weeks. I am in a T now and enjoy having the fridge and keeping some tools nearby. I would not like a 1 hour commute, though.
 
I was in a box for a short time, but it was big enough that there was no need to move planes and my hangar mate moved out after a couple of weeks. I am in a T now and enjoy having the fridge and keeping some tools nearby. I would not like a 1 hour commute, though.

My first box was going OK, I was in with a heli and didn't have to move him to get out. But, he started fires with the heli and worked everyday, my plane was in the middle of a job site with random strange people hanging out and the door open with a running heli outside the door. Then, one day I walked in after spending 2 weekends washing and waxing the plane to find my plane and interior coated (and I mean coated) in ashes. They had started a $%^&*! fire in the hangar. I called him and he said "sorry" apparently they were throwing the little ping pong ball fire starter things into garbage can. The airport manager was POed and I moved out about 5 minutes later into a box by myself, but they rented out the other side to 172 guy, he's nice enough but it can be a PITA shuffling the planes around. And it burns me a little that I pay MORE and get less than the T-Hangar guys.
 
My first box was going OK, I was in with a heli and didn't have to move him to get out. But, he started fires with the heli and worked everyday, my plane was in the middle of a job site with random strange people hanging out and the door open with a running heli outside the door. Then, one day I walked in after spending 2 weekends washing and waxing the plane to find my plane and interior coated (and I mean coated) in ashes. They had started a $%^&*! fire in the hangar. I called him and he said "sorry" apparently they were throwing the little ping pong ball fire starter things into garbage can. The airport manager was POed and I moved out about 5 minutes later into a box by myself, but they rented out the other side to 172 guy, he's nice enough but it can be a PITA shuffling the planes around. And it burns me a little that I pay MORE and get less than the T-Hangar guys.

How long for a T? They really are better, unless you can afford a box to yourself. Some people I have met really like the community hangars (the FBO moves the plane out for you. You just call ahead and they will have it gassed and ready to go. There is always the hangar rash thing with that though. Take lots of pictures of the plane, every time you fly.

I have it pretty good. A newer T with no leaks and a 10 minute commute. :)
 
How long for a T? They really are better, unless you can afford a box to yourself. Some people I have met really like the community hangars (the FBO moves the plane out for you. You just call ahead and they will have it gassed and ready to go. There is always the hangar rash thing with that though. Take lots of pictures of the plane, every time you fly.

I have it pretty good. A newer T with no leaks and a 10 minute commute. :)

Was supposed to be in a T at my current airport 5 months ago. Airport manager came down with cancer and I've only seen him once since. The big airport told me 18 months to 2 years about 7 months ago, He confirmed I was still on the list but wouldn't even offer a guess on a time frame.
 
I am in a large community hangar at a large multi location FBO. I actually like it quite a bit more than having my own hangar. Here's why:

Bathrooms are close, nice, and clean

People flying with you have a nice lobby to wait in, etc.

I call ahead and they pull me out, top me off, and park my car in the big hangar

They tow me to maintenance, washes, whatever, with a phone call

45 minutes closer for $100 more, done.
 
I am in a large community hangar at a large multi location FBO. I actually like it quite a bit more than having my own hangar. Here's why:

Bathrooms are close, nice, and clean

People flying with you have a nice lobby to wait in, etc.

I call ahead and they pull me out, top me off, and park my car in the big hangar

They tow me to maintenance, washes, whatever, with a phone call

45 minutes closer for $100 more, done.

Bathroom access, lobby etc... would be a downgrade. My current airport is NICE.

Car parking will be a downgrade.

I have no desire to purchase their overpriced fuel big MINUS having to fly to another airport to save 240 bucks a tank.

I told the guy "When gas is $8.00 a gallon, I'll pay $8.00 a gallon, but right now, gas is $5.00 a gallon, so I'm not paying $8.00 a gallon".

A&P access BIG HUGE MEGA MINUS.

45 minutes closer and to a far far far lesser extent having to move a C-172 out of the are the only selling points for me. The rest makes me throw up in the back of my mouth a little just thinking about it.

The last place I lived I was aware that the FBO wouldn't move a Citation out of the way for you to go flying if you happened to be stuck behind it and wanted to go flying, I'm not sure if that's SOP for most places, but it's nothing I'd tolerate. I made sure to remind a buddy of mine who flew an M20J and couldn't get out one day about the conversation we had about how much more convenient it was for him to base his plane there.

Here's my current FBO http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLHW/A

Here's the one I'm contemplating http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSAV/SIGNATURE
 
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I guess I have it better than I thought. Cheapest gas in the area, bathroom at the end of the hangar row (100 feet) and my maintenance shop has my combo and just picks up the plane whenever I call. I can park two cars in the hangar, no problem, when I pull the plane out.
 
I've had to drive to hanger and done like your other plan with tie down except I had another hanger. I don't mind driving half hour. That's about it. I'd pay more for that. But, never have heard much ga friendly things about signature.
 
Bathroom access, lobby etc... would be a downgrade. My current airport is NICE.

Car parking will be a downgrade.

I have no desire to purchase their overpriced fuel big MINUS having to fly to another airport to save 240 bucks a tank.

I told the guy "When gas is $8.00 a gallon, I'll pay $8.00 a gallon, but right now, gas is $5.00 a gallon, so I'm not paying $8.00 a gallon".

A&P access BIG HUGE MEGA MINUS.

45 minutes closer and to a far far far lesser extent having to move a C-172 out of the are the only selling points for me. The rest makes me throw up in the back of my mouth a little just thinking about it.

The last place I lived I was aware that the FBO wouldn't move a Citation out of the way for you to go flying if you happened to be stuck behind it and wanted to go flying, I'm not sure if that's SOP for most places, but it's nothing I'd tolerate. I made sure to remind a buddy of mine who flew an M20J and couldn't get out one day about the conversation we had about how much more convenient it was for him to base his plane there.

Here's my current FBO http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLHW/A

Here's the one I'm contemplating http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSAV/SIGNATURE

OK, then is there really a decision here? Sounds like you should stay put.
 
I've had to drive to hanger and done like your other plan with tie down except I had another hanger. I don't mind driving half hour. That's about it. I'd pay more for that. But, never have heard much ga friendly things about signature.

That's pretty much what I'm dealing with, drive an hour or deal with Signature, Sheltair doesn't have hangars, nor does anyone else on the field. There are not a lot of options around Savannah. The next airport north (mine is south) is even further away.
 
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45 minutes has always been more or less my average drive time, and it doesn't bother me much...the commute has always been the least significant hassle associated with flying. My shortest drive while training or renting was to KTEB, but I'd often spend twice that time taxiing all over and/or waiting to get out behind a huge line of jets.

Having idiots tossing incendiaries around in your hangar sounds like a more powerful inducement to move than the time lost driving to and fro.

But if you think *cough* Signature *cough* is going to treat you as well as their fancy jet-fueled customers, well... *cough*. Hey, there may be exceptions, but... none that I've heard of, with that particular outfit.

Three dollars a gallon more?! I only started flying in the 90s, and it was more like three bucks a gallon period, even at KTEB. Enough to make you cry... :(
 
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OK, then is there really a decision here? Sounds like you should stay put.

No, your experience actually swayed me a bit. If they're going to have me on the ramp ready to go with an hours notice, that's not that bad. If they're going to have a line of G-Vs and Citation Xs taking priority over me leaving for the next few hours then it's a non-starter.
 
45 minutes has always been more or less my average drive time, and it doesn't bother me much...the commute has always been the least significant hassle associated with flying.
But I've never owned my own bird... I guess the more convenience you get, the more you want. :D
Having idiots tossing incendiaries around in your hangar sounds like a more powerful inducement to move than the time lost driving to and fro.

But if you think *cough* Signature *cough* is going to treat you as well as their fancy jet-fueled customers, well... *cough*. Hey, there may be exceptions, but... none that I've heard of, with that particular outfit.

Three dollars a gallon more?! I only started flying in the 90s, and it was more like three bucks a gallon period, even at KTEB. Enough to make you cry... :(

When you're signing checks for every little thing and in return, the wife can drive to Atlanta faster than you can fly her there in the plane... It makes it real tough to answer the question "Why do we have this thing?" There's been at least 30 times in the past 6 months I would have just gone flying if I wasn't staring at 2 hours worth of driving to do so, and just to pour salt in the wound I WORK AT THE AIRPORT.

Point being, I moved to a location that really really sucks for owning piston airplane. I would rent a hangar FROM signature if there was one... I'm more concerned about the pros/cons of a big huge community hangar at a large FBO.
 
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No, your experience actually swayed me a bit. If they're going to have me on the ramp ready to go with an hours notice, that's not that bad. If they're going to have a line of G-Vs and Citation Xs taking priority over me leaving for the next few hours then it's a non-starter.

I park next to a G-IV, but I NEVER wait. My car is running and warm when I pull up, even washed if it needs it, they bring me ice, newspapers, etc. Really they take incredible care of me.

Why?

I tip, surprisingly many of the jet folks don't.

The line guys are not impressed by a big jet as much as a little green.
 
I've had to drive to hanger and done like your other plan with tie down except I had another hanger. I don't mind driving half hour. That's about it. I'd pay more for that. But, never have heard much ga friendly things about signature.

I must be in nirvana too. Own t hangar, in fact moved to a new one because it was closer to the runways. My mechanic is on site. Bathroom at the end of the hangars. 5 minute drive.
 
Nah, save the money on the Ferrari, buy a house with a private strip and convince the wife to get her A&P

:thumbsup:..

I was just going to suggest the OP spend a Saturday afternoon driving around to private strips /airparks etc... and try to meet people.. You never know when a person has space available in their private hangar and would love the "extra" cash each month a deal like that brings...
 
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:thumbsup:..

I was just going to suggest the OP send a Saturday afternoon driving around to private strips /airparks etc... and try to meet people.. You never know when a person has space available in their private hangar and would love the "extra" cash each month a deal like that brings...

Suggestion taken, implemented and turned up nada. All the private strips are too much pucker factor for my liking except one, and it's full too.
 
We used to be based at a class D with an FBO that would pull the plane out, fuel it, even plug it in for me. Terminal with bathrooms, etc. For a while the Aztec was in a communal hangar, then it was in a T. 310 was always in communal.

Now in Ohio we're based at a little airport that has no such services. Self-serve fuel only, T-hangar, and I now need to have a means of pulling the plane out and putting it away whereas before they would just pull the plane out with the tug. That said, they will plug the plane in for me provided I leave it ready and all they have to do is plug the extension cord into the wall. We have a key to the terminal building so we can get in there to use the bathrooms, and we park our car in the hangar when we leave on a trip.

There are pluses and minuses to both setups. What I like about the T-hangar is I can mess around with the plane and not get interrupted. Plus have lots of storage for spare parts, dog cages, some tools, etc. Driving right up to the hangar with no gate is nice. But it does probably add 10 minutes on either end for loading/unloading with opening the hangar, pulling the plane out, refueling as necessary, etc. Here we have better after-hours access since I don't need to rely on the line guys to pull the plane out.

Overall, I'm happier here, and it sounds like you would be happier where you are now, too. But 45 minutes is a long drive, and I would probably make more compromises on facilities if I had to drive that far.
 
Tough spot and I have no advice. I just want to thank you for making me appreciate the nice T-Hangar I have that is 5 minutes from my home. A&P is on site. And we finally were able to move to a different T on the side that looks out over a field and a wooded area where we watch hawks, owls and eagles soar overhead and can see planes landing or taking off on the runway over to the side. My wife loves it too and we often go out there just to sit, have a glass of wine and a picnic and watch the wildlife and the sunset.

I really don't mean to rub it in because I really do sympathize with you and I hope you find a solution.

Wait a minute, I just thought of something: Move to a house closer to where you want to be. This is a great time to buy a house with low prices and interest rates. And only us crazy airplane owners actually LIKE to live near an airport.
 
Tough spot and I have no advice. I just want to thank you for making me appreciate the nice T-Hangar I have that is 5 minutes from my home. A&P is on site. And we finally were able to move to a different T on the side that looks out over a field and a wooded area where we watch hawks, owls and eagles soar overhead and can see planes landing or taking off on the runway over to the side. My wife loves it too and we often go out there just to sit, have a glass of wine and a picnic and watch the wildlife and the sunset.

I really don't mean to rub it in because I really do sympathize with you and I hope you find a solution.

Wait a minute, I just thought of something: Move to a house closer to where you want to be. This is a great time to buy a house with low prices and interest rates. And only us crazy airplane owners actually LIKE to live near an airport.

Keep in mind, I WORK at the KSAV airport, the next closest GA airport is approx 1hr drive in any direction. The further from work I get the MORE driving i'm going to do.

FWIW I'm going this AM to put an offer on a house. In Montana, I had an awesome setup. I figured moving to the east coast there would be tons more options, there's not, not here at least.
 
I used to pay $125/mo (now run up to $350) for authorization to leave my plane on the Ramp at the FBO at IAD. I didn't even have a assigned spot. They moved my plane once bending to nose gear scissor. The advantage was it is 5 minutes from my house. No chance of a hangar spot no how.

I now drive an hour like you to a T-hangar I have exclusive used with, relatively cheap fuel for the area, and the mechanic is another Navion owner. Of course in five years or so, I'll give up my space at CJR to live full time in my house with the hangar attached at NC26.

I was on the waiting list for a TIEDOWN at JYO but the airport management is a screwed up fiasco through me off the list (even though I had called recently reaffirming I still wanted to be listed).

I fly into IAD a few times a year just for convenience. Landmark is still pretty friendly.
 
damn. That setups sucks to be honest. a 45-60 minute drive to the airplane is a good reason for me not to have one. That's a huge non-starter. Completely kills the economy of piston airplanes for leisure travel. I recognize relative ease to access one's toys is not a primary consideration for folk of working age such as ourselves, but 60 minutes is a huge amount of time to make any kind of frequent travel desirable.

This is probably not palatable to you, but if I were in your shoes I'd just suck it up and tie it down at KSAV and eat the the cost of wing covers and earlier re-paint if that's important to you (it would be to me if it was SW Texas, but not SE Georgia).
My point is that I would take my own advice in a heartbeat because your current setup would make me walk away from ownership outright. I also empathize with your situation as you're not retired yet, so basing your domicile decisions on where the toy patch is over where you work everyday would not be a sensible thing.

Good luck to you.
 
Tough spot and I have no advice. I just want to thank you for making me appreciate the nice T-Hangar I have that is 5 minutes from my home. A&P is on site. And we finally were able to move to a different T on the side that looks out over a field and a wooded area where we watch hawks, owls and eagles soar overhead and can see planes landing or taking off on the runway over to the side. My wife loves it too and we often go out there just to sit, have a glass of wine and a picnic and watch the wildlife and the sunset.

I really don't mean to rub it in because I really do sympathize with you and I hope you find a solution.

Wait a minute, I just thought of something: Move to a house closer to where you want to be. This is a great time to buy a house with low prices and interest rates. And only us crazy airplane owners actually LIKE to live near an airport.

That's great retirement advice, however the OP is still of working age. If I had to drive to point Y 10 times a week and only 2 times a week to point Z, then I'd live as close as I could to Y, even if I truly enjoy doing whatever it is I do at Z.
 
Solved this problem today, put up earnest money and signed the contract on a house halfway between a small GA field and my work. Went kicking around the small GA airport after we signed the deal, found a large hangar with an A&P/CFII based there in an LSA and he offered to let me park my rig there for 150 bucks less than I'm currently paying.

Speaking of which, my spot is contingent on him selling the 172 he's sprucing up. Anybody looking for a straight tail 172 with 700SMOH for $14K? :) Looked like an honest plane for the money.

Here's the new homestead. http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listi...-by-owner-3302-Sand-Hills-Road-29943/22723735
 
Well, congrats man. Glad you were able to find a halfway point. It looks like a bit of a commute to KSAV, but beats driving an hour to the airplane. And congrats on the house as well!
 
Well, congrats man. Glad you were able to find a halfway point. It looks like a bit of a commute to KSAV, but beats driving an hour to the airplane. And congrats on the house as well!

We timed it, 30 minutes to my office. My wife just accepted a job there too, so we'll ride together. We're hermits and the house is in BFE.... just our style. :D
 
I've done both. I've rented a space in a large hangar where I moved it in and out and my own individual hangar where I move it. I also have done a community hangar. The community is my preference. They move it, fuel it and generally look out for it 24/7.
 
Sounds like a great choice. Now, what do you drive. You will need something enjoyable with convenient coffee cup holders.
BTW. I love Savannah.
 
Sounds like a great choice. Now, what do you drive. You will need something enjoyable with convenient coffee cup holders.
BTW. I love Savannah.

I drive a 2010 Toyota Tundra Crewmax that has no less than 10 cup holders and gets 15MPG on a good day. I'm, in the market for a 10 year old 40 MPG beater, cup holders optional.
 
Yeah SAV is horrible as far as hanger space. I was stationed at SVN and lived in Rincon. I kept my plane way out in Sylvania. It was about a 35 minute drive but at $150 a month for a new T hanger, it was worth it. I was on the waiting list at Signature and they called one day and said they had an opening. I believe it was $375 a month. I said no thanks. Now I live in Northern GA and pay $225 a month but it's larger than my previous hanger. I can fit 2 planes in it.
 
Probably, it's taken me a while to work my way up to this situation.

One other caveat is that one of the better Bonanza A&Ps around (who's willing to work with me on annuals etc..) is about 50 yards away from my current hangar. That's probably the biggest issue.

Another issue is that my wife hates the 45 mile 1hr drive to the current hangar.

I have that current situation with the plane I fly ( not mine) What I do is drive to the plane, fly to the nearby airport where I meet my wife.

I park next to a G-IV, but I NEVER wait. My car is running and warm when I pull up, even washed if it needs it, they bring me ice, newspapers, etc. Really they take incredible care of me.

Why?

I tip, surprisingly many of the jet folks don't.

The line guys are not impressed by a big jet as much as a little green.

Man ain't that the truth!

An owner I know ties down his plane for $75 per month. Hangars where he is are $375 per month the way he looks at it he can pay for a new hangar or get an $11,000 paint job every three years :dunno:
 
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Solved this problem today, put up earnest money and signed the contract on a house halfway between a small GA field and my work. Went kicking around the small GA airport after we signed the deal, found a large hangar with an A&P/CFII based there in an LSA and he offered to let me park my rig there for 150 bucks less than I'm currently paying.

Speaking of which, my spot is contingent on him selling the 172 he's sprucing up. Anybody looking for a straight tail 172 with 700SMOH for $14K? :) Looked like an honest plane for the money.

Here's the new homestead. http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listi...-by-owner-3302-Sand-Hills-Road-29943/22723735

Cool, it worked out great.
 
Solved this problem today, put up earnest money and signed the contract on a house halfway between a small GA field and my work. Went kicking around the small GA airport after we signed the deal, found a large hangar with an A&P/CFII based there in an LSA and he offered to let me park my rig there for 150 bucks less than I'm currently paying.

Speaking of which, my spot is contingent on him selling the 172 he's sprucing up. Anybody looking for a straight tail 172 with 700SMOH for $14K? :) Looked like an honest plane for the money.

Here's the new homestead. http://www.forsalebyowner.com/listi...-by-owner-3302-Sand-Hills-Road-29943/22723735

Congrats! Sounds like a good setup
 
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