Frequency change when departing D

Evidently some posters think that tower = APP/DEP.

Outside the surface area of a B/C but still inside the "cake"? The AIM allows you to switch to departure. Switching to departure is not going silent.

RIF.
 
Salty said:
None of the previous posts say "while inside", they all say "when outside"
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The AIM says, "...it is not necessary to request permission to leave the tower frequency once outside of Class B, Class C, and Class D surface areas." It should say "...outside of Class B, Class C, and Class D airspace."
 
bobmrg said:
No. If you are outside of their airspace they have no authority to tell you anything. "In the interest of reducing frequency congestion....", shut up.

Bob
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^^ This.

I've had tower ask, "Bugsmasher 123, you still on?" if I've already cleared the Class D and he wants to advise me of traffic or something. If I answer, great; if I've already switched, or turned the radio off, no biggie.
 
flyingron said:
I'm not sure I agree with the AIM on this one. While it's uncommon not to get an almost immediate "contract departure", I'm not going off the air while inside a class B or C just because I've left he surface area.
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He was not on FF. No departure to contact.
 
If you're outside the guy's airspace you can change frequencies, you don't have to ask. If you're inside the guy's airspace you can change frequencies, you just have to ask first. I only do it if I have a good reason, for example to switch to the CTAF of the nearby airport at which I'm landing. I've never had any trouble with it at all.
 
EdFred said:
Evidently some posters think that tower = APP/DEP.

Outside the surface area of a B/C but still inside the "cake"? The AIM allows you to switch to departure. Switching to departure is not going silent.

RIF.
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Wait. There’s cake?!

Nobody told me. I like cake. :)
 
mryan75 said:
He was not on FF. No departure to contact.
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I've not gotten FF many times and still get handed off to departure. Leaving the local C to come home I get handed off to departure before I'm 2000. I get to 3000 still inside the C call my home field in sight and they terminate me. No flight following but still contact departure. Explain that.
 
mryan75 said:
He was not on FF. No departure to contact.
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If you're departing from a class B, as in the aim quote we're talking about, there is almost CERTAINLY a departure to contact.

Besides, who do you think is providing flight following if you are in a terminal area?
 
Some Ds will give you a frequency change before you exit, like 1500' or so AGL if they know you are departing the area and didn't get FF on the ground, for whatever reason. Some will actually keep giving you advisories after you've climbed above, as a courtesy and then send you to whomever. If you are out of their airspece, you may not need to ask for a change, but it isn't exactly rude to tell them you are switching
 
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PaulS said:
I don't like the long conversations about tonight's plans while 4 planes are in the pattern.
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"Podunk traffic, Cessna 345, I'd recommend Bob's Steak House and I am now short final runway 36."
 
Hank S said:
Nah, never make and don't like hearing "last call", I always want to order a drink when I hear that. I don't say it because I've never been a bartender . . . . .
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Haha! I'm going to start using "last call" as I depart an airspace, but I'm going to use "alcohol" instead of "alpha" for my tail number.

"Podunk traffic, last call for bugsmasher 151 al-key-hall"
 
Instead of Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, you mean something like Absinthe, Brandy, Cognac? You might be on something there. What could possibly go wrong ;)
 
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Lowflynjack said:
I'm getting more and more grumpy I guess, but I keep hearing stupid pilot tricks on the radio and this gets old.

Maybe it's me, but if I'm on short final, and you're on downwind, I don't need you to tell me you have the landing traffic in sight. It doesn't matter, you couldn't hit me if you tried. (But I did start off by saying I've been more grumpy lately...) :) Maybe I can allow this one!
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Sorry Jack, I'm *THAT* guy ... our field is fairly busy and in just over 750 hours I've been the guy #2 behind the white cessna that doesn't make the exit due to damage or flat tire at least 5 times.
 
danhagan said:
Sorry Jack, I'm *THAT* guy ... our field is fairly busy and in just over 750 hours I've been the guy #2 behind the white cessna that doesn't make the exit due to damage or flat tire at least 5 times.
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You mean you would have hit them if you didn't tell them you had them in sight? :eek:
 
midlifeflyer said:
You mean you would have hit them if you didn't tell them you had them in sight? :eek:
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Beat me to it. Hahaha.

If someone’s disabled on the runway they can announce they’re stuck there, all the other folks have to do is say they’re going around.
 
I had an instructor that said "clear of the runway" was even a wasted call! He said if they can't see you when they're on final, they shouldn't be flying. I'm not that rough on people though!
 
denverpilot said:
Beat me to it. Hahaha.

If someone’s disabled on the runway they can announce they’re stuck there, all the other folks have to do is say they’re going around.
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Maybe. If the airplane on the runway doesn't say something, I don't have a problem with a pilot in the air pointing out there's a disabled aircraft on the runway. The disabled aircraft might or might not have the ability or presence of mind to make the call. If not already being broadcast (obviously it can be overdone) it's also pretty good information for pilots approaching the area or even starting up on the ground to have.

All jokes about unnecessary communications aside, there's a downside to being the language police - more reasons for pilots to be afraid of the radio. I can't be sure, but I'm fairly confident the two Cessnas who heard my completely nonstandard, "Um.. There's two Skyhawks on short final for runway 26" when I saw them close together were pretty happy about it (Nate, FTG pre-tower).
 
Question.. was the phrase "Podunk traffic" in example scenarios popular before "Say Again Please", or do we say that mostly because of Bob?
 
F01LA said:
Question.. was the phrase "Podunk traffic" in example scenarios popular before "Say Again Please", or do we say that mostly because of Bob?
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What do you mean? The use of the word "traffic" when reporting position predates Bob. It's just a word to signify that your communication is intended for the other airplanes in the area as opposed to the person handling the Unicom radio at the front desk. The FAA could have chosen a different word to mean the same thing, I guess :dunno:
 
midlifeflyer said:
What do you mean? The use of the word "traffic" when reporting position predates Bob. It's just a word to signify that your communication is intended for the other airplanes in the area as opposed to the person handling the Unicom radio at the front desk. The FAA could have chosen a different word to mean the same thing, I guess :dunno:
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I think he means the Podunk part.
 
I can't claim originality. This is the dictionary definition:

"A hypothetical small town regarded as typically dull or insignificant." There is a Podunk, Iowa.

Bob
 
bobmrg said:
"A hypothetical small town regarded as typically dull or insignificant." There is a Podunk, Iowa.
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Podunk, Iowa? Isn't that redundant?

Your book has been very helpful to me, Bob. I was just curious if the phrase "Podunk Traffic" for hypothetical scenarios was in common use before it, that's all.
 
As long as we're airing communication pet peeves, how about the pilots making traffic announcements on 122.9 instead of the published CTAF?
 
midlifeflyer said:
You mean you would have hit them if you didn't tell them you had them in sight? :eek:
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Yes, of course! Wouldn't you?:confused:

denverpilot said:
Beat me to it. Hahaha.

If someone’s disabled on the runway they can announce they’re stuck there, all the other folks have to do is say they’re going around.
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All five that disabled in front of me failed to announce. Not a problem for me, and our runway is REALLY long, but we have a ton of activity with takeoffs squeezing between landings and the jump planes. None of these guys disabled in the TDZ and two were outright accidents that were partially on the runway between taxiways. But hey, don't give others a heads-up if it's right in front of you.
 
danhagan said:
But hey, don't give others a heads-up if it's right in front of you.
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It’s a good point to say something if they don’t, but it has nothing to do with the original point that blathering about seeing someone who’s not disabled isn’t really necessary.
 
idahoflier said:
As long as we're airing communication pet peeves, how about the pilots making traffic announcements on 122.9 instead of the published CTAF?
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What if the published is 122.9?
Like 3,475 airports within radio range seem to be.
 
Lowflynjack said:
I had an instructor that said "clear of the runway" was even a wasted call! He said if they can't see you when they're on final, they shouldn't be flying. I'm not that rough on people though!
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Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Saying "clear of the runway" is just plain courtesy.
 
idahoflier said:
As long as we're airing communication pet peeves, how about the pilots making traffic announcements on 122.9 instead of the published CTAF?
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It sounds like you're saying they are doing this on purpose. If so, pretty dumb move. I've heard quite a few people broadcast on 122.8 calling Austin Approach or GTU Tower, but that's just an honest mistake when they've been doing circles over our area!
 
Lowflynjack said:
I had an instructor that said "clear of the runway" was even a wasted call! He said if they can't see you when they're on final, they shouldn't be flying. I'm not that rough on people though!
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could be useful to departures at some airports
 
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