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A week ago my FAA Class 1 medical got revoked. I fly for one of the majors. For years i've not been declaring that i'm a VA recipient (70%), heavily weighted by PTSD.

I'm not sure what to expect next and I've been told by some that the best I can hope for is to fly a Cessna in the future. Has anyone got experience of this and/or advice (aside from don't lie)?

I have no doubt I'm going to get some ugly replies and I understand that. You are well within your rights to say what you feel but it probably wont' help me at this point.
 
Have you received a notice to show cause as to why your PILOT certificates should not be revoked?

Do you have "do do" beyond medical branch? This is SERIOUSLY important as to whether this is eventually repairable or not.....
 
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If this is for real....

Would you care to tell us which organization got lied to, the VA or the FAA? Do you have PTSD or did you, at the time, want the extra money and benefits but are entirely capable of being employed?
 
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bbchien said:
Have you received a notice to show cause as to why your PILOT certificates should not be revoked?

Do you have "do do" beyond medical branch?
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Received a letter informing me that my medical had been revoked and I am referred to SW region flight surgeon. Contact FAA immediately.

Had a couple of mortar attacks in Middle East and gunshots fired at plane while
Landing.
 
CAD said:
Received a letter informing me that my medical had been revoked and I am referred to SW region flight surgeon. Contact FAA immediately.

Had a couple of mortar attacks in Middle East and gunshots fired at plane while
Landing.
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The FAA will likely seek a pilot certificate revocation as well. That is fairly standard. Pilot certificate revocation is generally less serious than medical certificate revocation, unless the FAA considers the nature of the breach serious enough to warrant referral to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution. That's rare but it has been done.

There are things which can be done on both the medical and legal end and I recommend individual professional advice for both. That does not mean making it go away. You cannot ignore anything the FAA sends you,

Sounds like a tough road ahead.
 
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If you lived through events in your military flying career that have given you PTSD, then maybe a career in aviation isn't for you anyway. Being in an environment that recalls those memories would surely be something someone with PTSD would want to avoid.

Of course on the other hand it's pretty standard affair for everyone exiting the services to claim PTSD now for the extra benefits. Like soldiers that go on to be civilian officers while also claiming PTSD..... Either way good luck with your recovery
 
CAD said:
Had a couple of mortar attacks in Middle East and gunshots fired at plane while
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I've kept quiet on these PTSD threads, but I've got some people in my life that truly have it.

My brother-in-law and a small group of soldiers were cornered by some hostiles that were bent on decapitating them. They fought their way out. When he got back home he had a flashback after a nightmare and ran miles through the forest on a cold, rainy night with his pistol. It was empty when he was found, don't know what he shot at. He's now on his second deployment. I don't think he could function very highly outside of the military. His plan is to stay in and retire unless he gets med boarded out involuntarily.

My wife lost part of her right leg. Has had 10 surgeries associated with that injury. Spent one month in ICU, hour or so from death when she got there. Now has what is called CRPS, the most painful condition known to doctors. Has the whole shebang of PTSD symptoms. I've wrestled a gun from her hands 3 times to keep her alive and multiple stints in the mental ward. If she gets a small cut or bug bite, she cauterizes the wound to prevent infection, yep, burns herself. We've spent more time in hospitals and ERs than people triple our age. She got med boarded out. She was not this person when we met. No damn way she could function in a private sector job.

One saw a marine airing up the tire on his old clunker car. It blew up in his face. He climbed on the roof of the gas station. Luckily he wasn't armed or he might have started shooting from the roof.

You have that kind of PTSD, you don't belong in a cockpit seat of a plane with passengers. If you do have PTSD, I'm sorry, I know it sucks.
 
midlifeflyer said:
The FAA will likely seek a pilot certificate revocation as well. That is fairly standard. Pilot certificate revocation is generally less serious than medical certificate revocation, unless the FAA considers the nature of the breach serious enough to warrant referral to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution. That's rare but it has been done.
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In the 2005 Operation Safe Pilot fiasco, nearly all of the forty pilots had both their medical and airman certificates revoked as emergency revocations. Six months later in August, 2005, the criminal indictments, most charged with violating 18 U.S.C. § 1001(a)(2), were filed.

18 U.S.C. § 1001(a)(2) is a felony punishable by five years in prison, $250,000 fine, or both on each count.

In the case of the four pilots indicted last August (2018) on the same criminal charges, apparently none of the four (three ATPs, one commercial pilot) had their airman certificates revoked since the FAA Airman Registry shows all four have their airman certificates and the ATPs still show their type ratings.
 
Stan Cooper said:
In the case of the four pilots indicted last August (2018) on the same criminal charges, apparently none of the four (three ATPs, one commercial pilot) had their airman certificates revoked since the FAA Airman Registry shows all four have their airman certificates and the ATPs still show their type ratings.
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They are not flying though right?? I imagine the legal process takes time.

To the OP it’s hard to come up with what to say- if the PTSD is for real, then sorry for what you endured. But you had to know that you were lying on your medical for years-each time you filled it out you knew what the possible consequences were.
If the PTSD was “embellished” then it’s a flagrant double dip for which again-the consequences had to be well understood.

Unfortunately I think there is going to be a lot more of this to come
 
Stan Cooper said:
In the case of the four pilots indicted last August (2018) on the same criminal charges, apparently none of the four (three ATPs, one commercial pilot) had their airman certificates revoked since the FAA Airman Registry shows all four have their airman certificates and the ATPs still show their type ratings.
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That's why I said "generally."
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They are not flying though right?? I imagine the legal process takes time.
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Their pilot certificates don't have to be revoked to be precluded from flying.

The criminal process takes time. The pilot certificate revocation is usually on an emergency basis but still can be delayed and perhaps even deferred for a number of reasons,
 
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midlifeflyer said:
That's why I said "generally."
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Mark, I didn't intend to contradict you. I just found it interesting that in the 2005 investigation the first action was the emergency revocation of both the medical and pilot certificates - without any notification of an investigation - of most of the pilots identified as a result of the database matches (SSA disability beneficiaries and FAA medical certificate holders), while the August 2018 criminal indictments of the four pilots resulting from matching the VA disability database with the FAA medical certificate database hasn't yet resulted in the emergency revocations of any of the four pilots' airman certificates.

I believe the difference is related to pilot protections resulting from the passage of the 2012 Pilot's Bill of Rights legislation (2012 S.1335).
 
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Mark, I didn't intend to contradict you. I just found it interesting that in the 2005 investigation the first action was the emergency revocation of both the medical and pilot certificates - without any notification of an investigation - of most of the pilots identified as a result of the database matches (SSA disability beneficiaries and FAA medical certificate holders), while the August 2018 criminal indictments of the four pilots resulting from matching the VA disability database with the FAA medical certificate database hasn't yet resulted in the emergency revocations of any of the four pilots' airman certificates.

I believe the difference is related to pilot protections resulting from the passage of the 2012 Pilot's Bill of Rights legislation (2012 S.1335).
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I didnt take it as a contradiction., Stan.

You could be right, but I can think of a number of possibilities,
 
Stan Cooper said:
Mark, I didn't intend to contradict you. I just found it interesting that in the 2005 investigation the first action was the emergency revocation of both the medical and pilot certificates - without any notification of an investigation - of most of the pilots identified as a result of the database matches (SSA disability beneficiaries and FAA medical certificate holders), while the August 2018 criminal indictments of the four pilots resulting from matching the VA disability database with the FAA medical certificate database hasn't yet resulted in the emergency revocations of any of the four pilots' airman certificates.

I believe the difference is related to pilot protections resulting from the passage of the 2012 Pilot's Bill of Rights legislation (2012 S.1335).
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Seems like a double-standard to me. Honestly, I think what the airline guys (in the 4 recent cases) did was *MUCH* worse than that of operation safe pilot. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of those implicated in the 2005 operation were class 3 guys. The Class 1 guys should be held to a much higher standard. I don't want my friend, family or myself flying on a jet with a guy up front flying with a PTSD diagnosis. It sounds harsh, I know, but I'm passed the point of caring if it's a case of double-dipping or a real diagnosis. Play the game and....
 
Just as an aside, Audie Murphy suffered from PTSD til the day he died. He was an outspoken proponent of government support of veterans suffering from PTSD or whatever it was called back then (battle fatigue?). My heart goes out to veterans and their families who suffer from it as a result of their service.
 
In WW1 it was called "shell shock." My dad's older brother (1900-1964) was an army medic in the trenches getting gassed and shot at, and after a medical discharge spent the rest of his life in the Thomasville, Georgia Veterans Administration Domiciliary.
 
Stan Cooper said:
In WW1 it was called "shell shock." My dad's older brother (1900-1964) was an army medic in the trenches getting gassed and shot at, and after a medical discharge spent the rest of his life in the Thomasville, Georgia Veterans Administration Domiciliary.
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Damn, he must have been pretty young when he went in. Sad that young boys end up so damaged fighting wars for old men.
 
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