Tantalum quite often, but others also
Some people, some of whom I've quoted below, are more eloquent than I in the stating of it.. but I try not to beat around the bush. I also blame myself when I trip on the sidewalk (instead of rushing to sue the city) and ultimately hold the human the most accountable when things go south. When someone is stabbed, I blame the perpetrator, not the knife. Why is it culturally so hard for some to assign blame to the actual conscious entity?
-The training is out there for runaway trim
-Hundreds of jets were flying safely
-Two jets crashed with small fleet sizes of the type
-Lion Air's own safety record should speak volumes
-So far we don't even know if MCAS was the cause of Ethiopian
-yes,
@ircphoenix I do think (US / EU / CA / AUS) carriers to be safer. I would feel several times more comfortable getting on Lufthansa, DL, BA, UA, AA, than I would getting on Lion Air, Ethiopian, etc. Would you not? When people get nervous about flying on foreign carriers, why do you think that is? They're flying the same Airbus and Boeing everyone else is (for the most part).. it's the human element that people worry about there even if their "woke" and all that stuff
It's not an agenda. I'm trying to keep people sane here and their heads on straight. The only people with an obvious agenda are the media and the ones cancelling orders for the jets before any real findings are out. By that logic.. since we don't know the causes, we could also ground the Ethiopian and Lion Air carriers as well, since maybe their training culture is wrong.. or hell, since we know humans to be suboptimal and flying to inherently involve risks, just ground all flying until we find an optimal mode of transport (that's a reductio ad absurdium)
Unless I missed out, I didn't see a response on how one would define an "optimal" design. People will always make mistakes and accidents will always happen. Unfortunately, it's generally the person who is the weakest link in the chain. People still land planes gear up despite alarms, checklists, auto extend features, etc... People still crash cars despite brake assist, collision avoidance technology, ABS systems, etc. Are these suboptimal designs?
What would you have done different if you were Boeing, and had a business to run? I would think competent trim runaway procedures would cover what to do, when the trim runs away.
And because some people carry more tact than I:
Every 737 crew has been trained on the runaway stabilizer procecure. It hasn't changed in the 50 years since the airplane was introduced. Same for every other transport jet. They all have runaway stabilizer procedures and all of their crews have been trained in them.
Thank You
Many people blame the pilots, and I'm one of them. The system could have been designed better, but we still fly plenty of airplanes, large and small, from which the pilot can pull wings with little trouble. Isn't that a rather large design flaw? And yet it's been around for more than a century. Proper training of the proper people gets proper results.
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Self, I wonder if why we haven't heard anything more about the FDR on the Ethiopian flight is that it doesn't implicate Boeing?
s/ don't forget that government bodies are immune from political pressures and will give a purely factual, unbiased, synopsis. Surely we don't know more yet is because they're doing very diligent work.
