DOD Aircraft Costs

Wonder why the 18 is so cheap. Less than half a 15s cost. Didn't see any 16s cost I figured those would be the budget ones in comparison to everything else.
 
Wonder why the 18 is so cheap. Less than half a 15s cost. Didn't see any 16s cost I figured those would be the budget ones in comparison to everything else.

I was thinking increased cost maintaining an aging airframe. Then again, I'm not sure how accurate these things really are.
 
Then again, I'm not sure how accurate these things really are.

This is the question. If you want, you can argue that the cost is fuel + crew + wearable parts. OTOH, you can argue that the entire cost of a carrier battle group on a cruise should be built into the 1,000 hours of F/A-18 time that accrues during the cruise (since that whole fleet is there to make sure the F/A-18's have an airstrip). Vastly different assumptions, vastly different costs...

So the question is "What assumptions are those costs based around?"
 
This is the question. If you want, you can argue that the cost is fuel + crew + wearable parts. OTOH, you can argue that the entire cost of a carrier battle group on a cruise should be built into the 1,000 hours of F/A-18 time that accrues during the cruise (since that whole fleet is there to make sure the F/A-18's have an airstrip). Vastly different assumptions, vastly different costs...

So the question is "What assumptions are those costs based around?"

Maybe they save money in hanger fees by having them sit outside on a carrier deck. :D

I like how the F-35 is replacing the A-10 but yet you can operate almost 5 A-10s for the cost of 1 F-35. :(
 
Yeah. Plus the cost the government uses to operate one of these airplanes is a bit made up and not at all related to the cost you and I would pay if we owned it and operated it. Buy something for real milspec and it immediately goes up 10-20 times in price. I don't know why, but I've use so many $2 o-rings that I cringe to think about it now.
 
It will be interesting to see how it goes with the Textron Scorpion..
 
Round and round we go again. This isn't new fellas. Once you internalize that these cost structures are not there to keep our defense system combat effective but rather to support the wringing hand of millions of civilians/contractors whose salaries depend on these cost overruns and non-tactical minded purchasing schemes, everything falls into place. The hardship of my own job's geographic location is a perfect example of that Congressional de facto federal wealth transfer.

To be even more blunt, I was even specifically briefed to play nice and make every effort to not criticize the lack of support and subpar quality of services from the local population, during my in-processing brief 6 damn years ago. I've never had that happen during my military tenure, mainly due to the fact my prior duty station was located in an urban setting with a more diversified, competent and literate labor force/economy, but it wasn't long to understand the dynamic they were pre-admonishing for. 6 years later I'm pretty well resignated and jaded (but with an exit plan), and have come to understand that there is a canyon of difference between serving my Country, and serving the DOD.

Nothing new under the sun. This is a touchy subject for my wife, who doesn't particularly appreciate the extent to which said deficit in worker quality affects my life safety in the conduct of my job, but that's about as much as I can state publicly without crossing the line I was pre-admonished for 6 years ago.
 
Round and round we go again. This isn't new fellas. Once you internalize that these cost structures are not there to keep our defense system combat effective but rather to support the wringing hand of millions of civilians/contractors whose salaries depend on these cost overruns and non-tactical minded purchasing schemes, everything falls into place. The hardship of my own job's geographic location is a perfect example of that Congressional de facto federal wealth transfer.

To be even more blunt, I was even specifically briefed to play nice and make every effort to not criticize the lack of support and subpar quality of services from the local population, during my in-processing brief 6 damn years ago. I've never had that happen during my military tenure, mainly due to the fact my prior duty station was located in an urban setting with a more diversified, competent and literate labor force/economy, but it wasn't long to understand the dynamic they were pre-admonishing for. 6 years later I'm pretty well resignated and jaded (but with an exit plan), and have come to understand that there is a canyon of difference between serving my Country, and serving the DOD.

Nothing new under the sun. This is a touchy subject for my wife, who doesn't particularly appreciate the extent to which said deficit in worker quality affects my life safety in the conduct of my job, but that's about as much as I can state publicly without crossing the line I was pre-admonished for 6 years ago.

Buddy of mine made similar statements on contractor support. Unfortunately he was telling his student this...while hot micing over ground.:( I heard the recordings of the rant later on. Hilarious. His punishment was to give us a class on professionalism.
 
We went to pick up a C-130 from a depot in Florida years ago. We left it parked where it was, after about two hours into pre-flighting. The civilian in charge was hot as hell, and our AC did not give a singke f**k, being a Reservist and a senior FAA manager. Threats were made, calls were placed, our guy then got hot and offered to speak to both a Senator and a reporter he was on good terms with.
 
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