Dave Taylor are you OK?

3250 watt rated Generac with two "20A" duplex outlets, 13.5A breakers each.
ordinary household fridge "6A max"
Crosley Shelvador freezer 3'x3'x2' freezer cant find spec label
phone system - spike knows um norstar telecom w 8 sets
lathem cardswipe system
laptop
cell phone

should it be able to do it easily? getting dropouts on the electronics
tks

Should be able to do easily even with start loads on the fridge n freezer (assuming on sep breakers).

Might want to use line conditioner for electronics. Sounds like the power from the generac may be a bit noisy. Have had good luck with Honda gen equipment and electronics in the past.
 
thanks
the fridge and fzr are on sep circs
when one cycles the UPS drops out, the ups alarms and no charge provided from it to the phone/puter - I guess the battery is bad.
Running the electronics through both the UPS and a surge supressor in hopes it will not fry stuff
 
KSWI is my normal fill-up spot, and only a few miles from both of the other airports. Lots of ADS owners use the self-serve pumps there.

Got it, I'll plan on stopping there.

I'm up for some TexMex on Saturday if anyone else is... assuming that the trip doesn't fall through.
 
Dang. We're out for the weekend.

Got it, I'll plan on stopping there.

I'm up for some TexMex on Saturday if anyone else is... assuming that the trip doesn't fall through.
 
thanks
the fridge and fzr are on sep circs
when one cycles the UPS drops out, the ups alarms and no charge provided from it to the phone/puter - I guess the battery is bad.
Running the electronics through both the UPS and a surge supressor in hopes it will not fry stuff


Bad battery on UPS sounds 'bout right. They always fail just when needed.

Governors on light gensets are pretty crappy so not supprised with voltage drop. Woodward makes a really nice governor for genset application (at least they did about 20 years ago), but it cost an arm and a leg.
 
Generac GP3250
oil running low-
can I ask someone to find a manual and post grade, pls
Nothing on unit, no manual
I suspect I have straight 30 and 10w40 availabl
 
tks Tony
smoke very thick, reverse direction wind now blowing it in from the north now. everyone coughing, gagging tearing. Send S winds!
Cant see hills. Can see w bombers straight upwards however.
 
smoke very thick, reverse direction wind now blowing it in from the north now. everyone coughing, gagging tearing. Send S winds!
Cant see hills. Can see w bombers straight upwards however.
Gosh, Dave, it sounds like you're in something similar to a war zone. Those poor animals that are outside breathing that stuff.
 
3250 watt rated Generac with two "20A" duplex outlets, 13.5A breakers each.
ordinary household fridge "6A max"
Crosley Shelvador freezer 3'x3'x2' freezer cant find spec label
phone system - spike knows um norstar telecom w 8 sets
lathem cardswipe system
laptop
cell phone

should it be able to do it easily? getting dropouts on the electronics
tks

Yes it should, caveat:

Might have dropout when the fridge starts up (high current load at that moment).

Electronics (computer, phone system, DSL Router) should be plugged into a UPS, which will take up the slack at any transition event.
 
Oops.

Is FedEx allowed to deliver there tomorrow?
 
Yes it should, caveat:

Might have dropout when the fridge starts up (high current load at that moment).

Electronics (computer, phone system, DSL Router) should be plugged into a UPS, which will take up the slack at any transition event.
Perhaps. The last time I tried to run some computer equipment on a UPS on a rental generator it was major fail even though the specs made it look like it'd play. The UPS just plain refused to even run. The equipment would run on the generator without it though.
 
Bad battery on UPS sounds 'bout right. They always fail just when needed.

Governors on light gensets are pretty crappy so not supprised with voltage drop. Woodward makes a really nice governor for genset application (at least they did about 20 years ago), but it cost an arm and a leg.

Most all small inexpensive generators will provide decent power. The hiccup to them is when they are lightly loaded, the govenor will gallop and give inconsistant 60 cycle power. The trick is to add a known and consistant load. ie, light bulbs, fans etc. Just put enough loads online to stabilize the generator speed and then adding the small load a computer introduces will not degrade the rpm very much, if at all. Remember, the drive motor has to maintain a constant rpm with the object of changing revolutions in 60 rpm multiples to keep the 120/240 volt/ 60 cycles output within specs. YMMV.
 
Hi Ya'll,

Yes, we're all OK in Alpine. The only fires near here are to the east of town like someone posted from the one that started at the Sul Ross rodeo stadium. We had fires 2 yrs ago at our house.... it got 10 feet from the house and 2 feet from the barn and all in the paddock and surrounding land.
They are still making huge efforts in Ft Davis and further north.
 
Most all small inexpensive generators will provide decent power. The hiccup to them is when they are lightly loaded, the govenor will gallop and give inconsistant 60 cycle power. The trick is to add a known and consistant load. ie, light bulbs, fans etc. Just put enough loads online to stabilize the generator speed and then adding the small load a computer introduces will not degrade the rpm very much, if at all. Remember, the drive motor has to maintain a constant rpm with the object of changing revolutions in 60 rpm multiples to keep the 120/240 volt/ 60 cycles output within specs. YMMV.

Agree that a computer load is nothing. Starting load on a fridge or freezer will drop the voltage and then spike it. Put a silly scope on a little gen and have fun.
 
Agree that a computer load is nothing. Starting load on a fridge or freezer will drop the voltage and then spike it. Put a silly scope on a little gen and have fun.

I concur with that.... When I am not on 'shore power' I will run the puter with a stabile load.... then remove the computer and let all the other electrical loads , ie , well pump,hot water heater, lights. tv, etc provide me with my creature comforts..:fcross::fcross::idea:
 
usps is up, no couriers today maybe tomorrow. Is it edible?!
Dave, I have a lot of Mountain House MRE's here that I use for my flying trips and for camping at OSH. They taste pretty good and have a lot of protein. All you do is add hot water (I've even used room temp water at times) and you have a meal. Could you use those? If so, I'll mail them to you tomorrow.
 
Hi Ya'll,

Yes, we're all OK in Alpine. The only fires near here are to the east of town like someone posted from the one that started at the Sul Ross rodeo stadium. We had fires 2 yrs ago at our house.... it got 10 feet from the house and 2 feet from the barn and all in the paddock and surrounding land.
They are still making huge efforts in Ft Davis and further north.
Thanks for letting us know. I'm glad to hear that you're okay. :)
 
Thanks Diana, honestly we are doing great. Eating well. Minor inconveniences only. He_ _, we are safe and still have our buildings. Well the important ones. We hear ~40 people are without their homes. I had time to take more photos after work today, will post on FB. Very sad sights.
Right now our only need that can't be met with BBQ and generator is laundry and shower. Have to travel 50mi round trip to get these done....but at least we can!
 
Dave good to hear that you are alright and your business and home survived the fire. I know you will be fine and will get through this, keep you chin up and good luck.
 
what is a good way to share a dozen pics on FB? I have an account but only see ways to load individual pics.
Slideshare needs them in a ppt format.
If you see some there from me already....a friend did that for me.
Tks
 
Remember, the drive motor has to maintain a constant rpm with the object of changing revolutions in 60 rpm multiples to keep the 120/240 volt/ 60 cycles output within specs. YMMV.

The Hondas don't - They actually convert to DC and then put it through an inverter. Interesting stuff! When I was in school about ~12 years ago someone said they couldn't get a perfect sine wave via that method... But they were wrong. I did it in lab last semester (low voltage), and that was the first application I thought of was a generator. It'd go something like generator -> rectifier -> DC converter -> square-wave oscillator -> high-order low pass filter -> amplifier. Completely independent of engine RPM, which would simply need to be high enough to create the necessary output from the generator (or do they use alternators on these things? I don't know.) Cool stuff.
 
The Hondas don't - They actually convert to DC and then put it through an inverter. Interesting stuff! When I was in school about ~12 years ago someone said they couldn't get a perfect sine wave via that method... But they were wrong. I did it in lab last semester (low voltage), and that was the first application I thought of was a generator. It'd go something like generator -> rectifier -> DC converter -> square-wave oscillator -> high-order low pass filter -> amplifier. Completely independent of engine RPM, which would simply need to be high enough to create the necessary output from the generator (or do they use alternators on these things? I don't know.) Cool stuff.

Careful. There are "inverter" Hondas and Hondas that are cheaper and no better than the cheap junk at Harbor Freight.

You see a lot of the older Honda four-strokes on Craigslist cheap, and there's a reason if you look up their specs.

And they *all* put out nasty stuff when the engine surges as they run out of gas, no matter how clean their output in a normal running state, of course.

A whole lot of "household" UPS devices put out some silly looking not-exactly-sine-waves too. And many don't even cut their batteries/inverters in until they see "something bad" on the input.

The load gets a full whack of badness until they go click (relay tripping) and start beeping.

Continuous inverter or "in line" UPSs are three times the price of things like the "APC" brand consumer-grade stuff.

Honda is also said to be in desperately short supply of higher output gensets with the Japan situation, and probably will be for some time. Depends on where they actually manufacture the units, but they're out of 'em in Japan.

A friend recently recommended Honeywell as a good alternative. There are also a lot of cheap Chinese-made Honda knock-offs these days. Many of them aren't worth the dollars spent on them. Some are.

Pays to do research on those. RVers forums online are full of often-uneducated comments on them, and if you can read things like "damaged my heater motor" as code for, "sucky dirty output", you can learn a lot trolling the Net for deals.

A technique is to use a genset only as a charging device for a large battery or bank of batteries that are really carrying the load. It looks "Hillbilly" but can often produce perfect results when measured with a n O-scope that a cheap 4-cycle genset alone, can't touch.

"Clean" power isn't cheap. "Dirty" power is cheap and can be cleaned up pretty easily but most folks just run the dirty power into expensive devices and hope they survive.

If you have a cheap 4-cycle genset, get a voltmeter and put it in one socket of a power strip connected to the generator and then plug in a hairdryer and flip it on -- you'll hear and see the results. (Note most hair dryers are going to suck down a whole lot of watts and they do it continuously. Don't do this without a genset rated for the maximum load. Turn the hair dryer on and off.)

Many wise old residential electricians use hair dryers as load testers. They're compact, cause massive load almost instantly, and can be shut off just as fast, to see how bad the genset hunts. They're also easily carried from room to room due to size/weight.

I have four C & D Technologies UPS12-310FR batteries I keep topped off in the basement for electronics with a Battery Tender brand "smart" charger.

I'll feed the dirty stuff to the furnace controller and blower, and the fridge. Whether they'll survive it or not, is questionable. When the budget allows, I'll get them a nice inverter-style genset.

Would prefer to just pour a concerete pad and add a natural gas genset and automatic (or manual if budget was tight) transfer switch to the house's load center, but that's way out of the budget right now.

One other thing to watch in generator specs... Many are not rated to run 24/7. And some have an hour-number-based "TBO". Run-out gorgeous Hondas are also on Craigslist and eBay all the time.

Just like airplanes. ;)
 
thanks for your concern!
we are alive!
more later

Glad to hear you're safe, Dave.

As for the generator/UPS, instead of replacing the battery replace the unit. Get an APC UPS or something similar with AVR - I use that with my 1500 w generator when power goes out & it works fine, no damage to electronics. Generators are notoriously bad. Fine for refrig & freezer & lights.

If you can get stuff overnight, there are plenty of computer places that have large AVR UPS units available. If Ted's headed your way....
 
power back up at work.
still not at house but at least we have h2o now; cold shower better than none.
line crews still working feverishly this am
bad stank of dead plants, animals in the air :(
 
power back up at work.
still not at house but at least we have h2o now; cold shower better than none.
line crews still working feverishly this am
bad stank of dead plants, animals in the air :(

Good to hear things are slowly getting back to normal. Do you need anything?
 
Good to hear things are slowly getting back to normal. Do you need anything?

Only thing I need is a hot shower; 5 days no electric at home! (Spike was right after all, I do stink!)

When I think of 'what is needed' in the community....(I should defer to experts but here is my presumption and observation)
There seems to be plenty of folks willing to have visitors for a couple months so they all have a place to stay that I have heard. Food/water/shelter is taken care of in the short term.
Of the people that lost everything, those with insurance will rebuilt fairly quickly. Those without insurance will be in need of construction crews to clean up and rebuilt.
For the latter, the options are to have a group of volunteers rebuild, or to hire a professional crew to build homes. My pref would be the pro builders as I think a volunteer build may pose numerous difficulties. If we get pro crews, the 'only' thing that is really needed is $ for their labor, the materials and associated building costs.
So, it looks to me that what is needed is donations to get it done properly and fast.

As far as ranchers, they have lost cattle, fences and no longer have feed for the animals. (it is rare to have these things insured) There is a drive for hay that folks can donate to, I am told there will be state assistance for the fences (we shall see) -btw fences cost about 2$ per foot on the non-rocky pasture [I have about...3miles but not all unusable, many ranchers have 50 miles+]. The cattle deaths are a direct loss to the ranchers, I know of no govmt. compensation.
Again, people can send hay or fencing materials or come help build fence as volunteers - but it seems like the best, easiest way to rebuild is going to be cash donations to replace the lost items.

If anyone is interested in donating I will try to find those links or maybe someone else will post them.

Thanks for your concern.
 
From the Marfa Public Radio website re: donations:

Right now, the best way to help those devastated by the wildfires is sending donations via the Permian Basin Area Foundation Emergency Relief Fund and to the bank account set up by the Jeff Davis County Relief Fund. We are told that both funds feed the same source.
Jeff Davis County Relief Fund
c/o Permian Basin Area Foundation
200 N. Loraine, Suite 500
Midland, TX 79701
AND
Jeff Davis County Relief Fund
via Fort Davis State Bank
P.O. Box 1808
Fort Davis TX 79734
Account #321028 (needs to be included).
You can also donate to local fire departments at the following addresses.
Fort Davis Volunteer Fire Department, PO Box 811, Fort Davis, TX, 79734
Marfa Volunteer Fire Department, PO Box 846, Marfa, TX, 79843
Alpine Fire and Rescue, 100 N. 13th St, Alpine, TX 79830
DMR Volunteer Fire Department, HCR 74, Box 130A, Fort Davis, TX 79734
Only thing I need is a hot shower; 5 days no electric at home! (Spike was right after all, I do stink!)

When I think of 'what is needed' in the community....(I should defer to experts but here is my presumption and observation)
There seems to be plenty of folks willing to have visitors for a couple months so they all have a place to stay that I have heard. Food/water/shelter is taken care of in the short term.
Of the people that lost everything, those with insurance will rebuilt fairly quickly. Those without insurance will be in need of construction crews to clean up and rebuilt.
For the latter, the options are to have a group of volunteers rebuild, or to hire a professional crew to build homes. My pref would be the pro builders as I think a volunteer build may pose numerous difficulties. If we get pro crews, the 'only' thing that is really needed is $ for their labor, the materials and associated building costs.
So, it looks to me that what is needed is donations to get it done properly and fast.

As far as ranchers, they have lost cattle, fences and no longer have feed for the animals. (it is rare to have these things insured) There is a drive for hay that folks can donate to, I am told there will be state assistance for the fences (we shall see) -btw fences cost about 2$ per foot on the non-rocky pasture [I have about...3miles but not all unusable, many ranchers have 50 miles+]. The cattle deaths are a direct loss to the ranchers, I know of no govmt. compensation.
Again, people can send hay or fencing materials or come help build fence as volunteers - but it seems like the best, easiest way to rebuild is going to be cash donations to replace the lost items.

If anyone is interested in donating I will try to find those links or maybe someone else will post them.

Thanks for your concern.
 
Livestock Feed. Donations are accepted or you may take/send feed to FD.
I am told to post that the contact for feed deliveries is Logan Boswell 432-249-0265 for Jeff Davis Co (or Presidio and Brewster Co Jesse Schneider 432-295-0342).
To donate money, there are three places that will see the money feeds cattle in the disaster: The Independant Cattlemans Assn, or The Texas Southwest Cattle Raisers Association, or the Texas Dept. Agriculture. (I suggest looking up online for ph #s, sorry I was not given them)
 
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