It's hard to tell, I think she was Japanese and having trouble with the language as well. She didn't seem well prepared for 400 some hours though. Things aren't adding up on this story.
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It's hard to tell, I think she was Japanese and having trouble with the language as well. She didn't seem well prepared for 400 some hours though. Things aren't adding up on this story.
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The thing I'd like to see answered is how did she acquire possession of the a/c.
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Unless you don't want too...
No reason to jump to that conclusion, at least not yet.
There are simpler and more likely explanations, like flying while ill in crappy conditions. Or maybe something as simple as lack of currency or a vacuum pump failure.
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Lots of single vehicle 'accidents' are suicides(or murder suicides.) More then we realize and get officially classified that way. Not saying that is the case here, but it is a reasonable conclusion about accidents involving flakey decision making.
One of the articles states that she had flown an hour with the checkout cfi but wasnt signed off.
If it takes more than one flight to check someone out in a 152....
You are either no good, the FBO/CFI is taking advantage of you, and if you are in that position with 420 hrs, both.
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Indeed.
"Flight Time Building" boy that doesn't sound sketchy, perhaps she was on the log one hour, pencil in 10, program
I have a REAL hard time believing that audio clip was from a fresh PPL, let alone CPL, let alone someone with 400 hrs
Guessing some DPE might have a few questions to answer?
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Well so much for that plan, she is 100% complete with her flying, though her satisfaction rate may not be 100%
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It's hard to judge her by voice. She is obviously Asian and not at all proficient in English (I would question her English Proficiency tester as well as DPE) so it's hard to determine whether her speech and cadence was a flying knowledge issue or a language knowledge issue. Either way, another airline aspirant out of the competition.
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150 hours in 5 weeks. That is 30 hours a week. I think I would be bored silly flying 30 hours a week in a 152 unless you turned it into a "tour the Southeast" type event!Flighttimebuilding.com said:
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I'm not trying at all to dog pile on her, but her responses to ATC were surprising. When stress kicks in, I know people act differently, but she sounded very disorganized. Heading and altitude, just basic stuff; she wasn't following ATC's instructions. I'm really at a loss at how things went south. maybe fear kicked in and her brain seized on her?
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Another difference between GA and motorcycles is that motorcycles tend to be as much responsible as not for their accidents. The other drivers on the road are more dangerous than you are. In our case, about 80+% of the time it's the pilot making a mistake.
Apparently this woman was in a school setting program where you buy a time block, then fly intensively. She hadn't been authorized to solo in the 152 yet by the program.
VFR flight into IMC, . The weather was a tight temperature/dew point spread all night, less than 3F. Was she thinking "it will probably be ok"?
Apparently this woman was in a school setting program where you buy a time block, then fly intensively. She hadn't been authorized to solo in the 152 yet by the program.
VFR flight into IMC, . The weather was a tight temperature/dew point spread all night, less than 3F. Was she thinking "it will probably be ok"?
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It is my observation that English as a second language people’s ability to communicate deteriorates under stress.
I suspect being lost in the fog was very stressful.
I know many pilots around here who will take off without checking the weather.
More than once between the time I check the weather and 20 minutes later my home airport (SMX) has gone IFR and I have had to divert.
I have found that drawing conclusions from news stories to be counterproductive.
Reporters often don’t listen well or assign incorrect meaning to words pilots use.
Sometimes a friend will make something up in the hopes it will protect someone who has made a mistake.
I suspect being lost in the fog was very stressful.
I know many pilots around here who will take off without checking the weather.
More than once between the time I check the weather and 20 minutes later my home airport (SMX) has gone IFR and I have had to divert.
I have found that drawing conclusions from news stories to be counterproductive.
Reporters often don’t listen well or assign incorrect meaning to words pilots use.
Sometimes a friend will make something up in the hopes it will protect someone who has made a mistake.
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They are as likely to get it wrong as us.I'm sure the NTSB is waiting anxiously for you boys to figure it out.
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Throw in something like an exhaust leak leading to carbon monoxide poisoning and it could make sense.
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I can't imagine many things more stressful than being lost in the fog, knowing that you're not supposed to be there and knowing that this is the #1 killer of VFR pilots.
People lose 90% of their mental capacity under stress. I used to teach pistol shooting and it was always a little iffy to see how someone was going to react the first time they got the gun in their hand, even unloaded. Part of shooting is learning to be familiar with the gun, to be comfortable with it while still respecting it. That just takes time.
I suspect actual IMC is the same way, although we get fairly good simulated practice under the hood. The more you do it, the more comfortable you are when it happens and the less stress it induces.
That said, we have been told again and again to fly the airplane first, at least my instructor told me that many times. To my eyes, she shouldn't have been flying in the first place with weather that could go to IMC so quickly. Then it was a case of not flying the plane, maybe because she was too stressed with the IMCto do it.
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Ugh, way too close to home. X50 is my family's airport, hopefully I didn't know her .
Edit: Saw the name, thankfully not but RIP.
.Edit: Saw the name, thankfully not but RIP.
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It's not about having fun, it's work invested towards a career goal. I did 40hrs training and an instrument check ride in one week. It wasn't about having fun.
Not only fear but language as well. When I have to communicate in Italian, I sound like a freaking retard. Under stress it probably wouldn't sound too solid in German either.
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Sadly, flying a racetrack pattern in a 152 for 30+ hours a week does not teach much, but it does help put a check mark in a box. Five weeks of that and you have probably learned more bad habits than anything else. But you get those magic "hours"!
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I use to give check rides for a 141 school. Many of the students were Asian. The school required 3 years of English before enrollment. Most showed up not knowing more than a few words. The requirement is to 'read, speak, write and UNDERSTAND' the English language. Aviation is a language on its own. When they get into an unusual situation, they would revert back to 'baby talk' like "hello."
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If that's how the renter builds their hours they already failed.
I flew across the country and into diffrent countries, all sorts of weather, day and night and that was just when I was building my 250 hours for my CPL.
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That still doesn't answer how she acquired possession of the a/c.
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I think we are witnessing the product of this
She seemed to be on a solo XC pressing conditions. That's not flying racetracks if I got that right.
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Identity theft? Flying as someone else? Farfetched but...And she crashed in a little bit of fog ????
This just gets weirder and weirder....
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Your point is valid, but it wasn't just a little bit of fog. I was driving near that area around that time and I could barely see the stripes or the reflectors on the road in front of me at 6pm. And by 9pm it was worse, and darker. She was 100% socked in. That can be a scary feeling if you are not prepared for it. And CPL, IR, 400+hrs or not, she was NOT prepared for it.And she crashed in a little bit of fog ????
This just gets weirder and weirder....
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Well if that was the case they had that Japanese accent down pat.
Yeah IFR CPL since 2010.... I'd expect more then what I heard.
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Your Google Fu is strong sir!
At least she didn't loose it in a 737 full of pax.
Stories like this really make me appreciate how our aviation industry works.
Does that diploma say 373-300 high altitude sign off>???
If so,, I would guess the reason that guy is smiling is the gal can suck a golf ball through a garden hose....
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I was just suggesting the gal has a good set of lungs to be able fly at high altitudes...
If so,, I would guess the reason that guy is smiling is the gal can suck a golf ball through a garden hose....
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To be clear
I was just suggesting the gal has a good set of lungs to be able fly at high altitudes...
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Even flying 2-3 hour legs on a triangle for 6-9 hours a day doesn't seem like you would really be learning much. I understand that you have to have the magic number to get that job but how does that really look in your book? The logic of an arbitrary number just goes over my head. I know you have to base experience on something, but did I really learn more by flying from Tennessee to Florida in 4 hours in a 152 or in 1.5 hours in a complex aircraft? Between two complex aircraft am I learning more in a NA powered plane at 12,000 ft or in a turbo at 18,000 ft?
Hours earned smashing bugs in a 152 just to increase your hours don't seem all that valuable, no matter how necessary.
Sorry about dragging this off topic.
Sad to see anyone die like this. I would hope that I would have climbed, fessed up, kept my head in the plane on the panel flying IFR and let them vector me to safety, if possible.
May she rest in peace.
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With the ratings she had and listening to the audio I am leaning toward Carbon Monoxide along with stress.
Regardless, its not good.
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She had the keys because she was assigned to the aircraft. She wasn't authorized by the school to solo in it yet.
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And yes, you will learn a lot more flying down low, especially on the Pilot Decision Making front.
Take that same 152 and fly it from FL to WA taking the northern route and you'll get a whole bunch of education.
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I see you edited that but I was just about to post an old picture I had of a 150 at 11,500
Indicating 95kts and catching a tailwind