Corporate Pilots

Let me let you in on a little secret - "corporate pilots" know that they are nothing but glorified chauffeurs and yes, they alot of times are treated as such by the passengers (bosses) that they fly around and have to be at their beck and call. They are away from home, don't really make alot of money, and have to put up with miserable hours and miserable (sometimes) bosses / passengers.

I have been on many of these "corporate" flights and cringe at how I see them treated sometimes.

I love to fly, and I also love to hunt and fish. I darn sure would not want to make my living doing any of them. Well, maybe fishing. But definitely NOT flying.

That is frequently the case in the 135 world, but the vast majority of 91 ops are not like that. I'm sort of on "beck and call" to my boss, but he also understands that I have a life outside of the cockpit. But I am paid handsomely, early mornings and late nights are rare, if we are staying in one place for a long period of time, I have the option of airlining home or staying.

All that being said, I have my eyes set on working for a major airline, but its not because I am treated poorly where I work now.
 
One afternoon at WVI:

Cessna (female pilot): “Watsonville traffic, Cessna 123AB, left downwind 20, Watsonville.”

30 seconds later:

King Air: “Watsonville traffic, King Air 789YZ left base entry 20.
Cessna: “I’m just about to turn base for 20.”
King Air: “Honey, we’re making money, not just practicing.”
Me: “Knock it off, you were there once, too.”

Came close to returning to the ramp for a come-to-Jesus meetin’ with Mr. Moneymaker.
 
He really told Tower to clear the pattern???
Yes he did. And it wasn't the first time he had done it, either.
The bigshot he was flying for filed a complaint about the airport with the mayor (town owned facility), the mayor complained to the ATC, and they told him... Well, it's not something you would repeat to your mother.
The plane, pilot and owner eventually moved to another airport.
 
OK.
In the interest of full disclosure, my wife is standing over me, reading what I wrote and she informs me that as a called and ordained servant of the Word, I need to publicly confess my sin.
No, I'm not an arrogant SOB when I am flying. And I'm always nice to the people in the towers, and (mostly) other pilots, especially when I'm in the air.
But I do have a little bit of a mean streak when it comes to "civilians".
In particular, I have a "T" shirt my youngest daughter gave me a few years ago. You've all seen it. "Pilots. Looking down on people since 1903"
I wear it.
In public.
Whenever I go to a function involving people my age, or just for the heck of it. I'm a pilot, and I'm darned proud of it.
I'm more than a little full of myself, because at my age I'm still out practicing precision spins, and doing rolls and loops, and EVERYBODY I know from my school days are playing shuffleboard, bridge and cribbage. Cribbage, for crying out loud! Excitement for them is taking the Senoir's bus to the casino. They are all working so hard at being OLD, and I still feel like I'm just getting started. Still flying, still riding my motorcycles. Heck, I still drag race.
So I sort of rub their noses in it. That's why I fly with a GoPro and I post short videos on Facebook after I fly.
I'm a bad person.
OK. I feel much better now. And my wife is all, "You're incorrigible!", so I guess I win.
 
OK.

I'm more than a little full of myself, because at my age I'm still out practicing precision spins, and doing rolls and loops, and EVERYBODY I know from my school days are playing shuffleboard, bridge and cribbage. Cribbage, for crying out loud! Excitement for them is taking the Senoir's bus.

The Shepherd has nailed it......again.
 
I knew a guy that had a Falcon 2000 (millennium?) with his own flight department. One day after realizing he only was flying around 100 hrs. per year, he called the pilots up to his house to weed the gardens. True story.
 
I knew a guy that had a Falcon 2000 (millennium?) with his own flight department. One day after realizing he only was flying around 100 hrs. per year, he called the pilots up to his house to weed the gardens. True story.

Let's assume for one second that story is not a 10% truth anecdote. If indeed true, that is why professional pilots can't have nice things. They treat this gig as an avocation, even if they verbalize to the contrary. Ultimate captive audience/beaten puppy/Stockholm syndrome/pick your platitude. This is also why organized labor is needed, warts and all. I'm not saying we should tar and feather second career retirees or sugar babies (I know we got a few on here) that can afford to put up with a more "financially liberated" approach to the job, if I may pick a politically correct euphemism. But for the rest who are no different than any other working stiff in this Country, we need bumpers in order to preserve the safety-minded conditions required to maintain the safety record these ingrate passengers take for granted in the first place.

I for one, consider myself a friend of the industry by proxy, in that I refuse to work for an outfit that doesn't compensate me for my experience, even if I were to be in the financial position to get paid half what I'm worth (regionals/corporate I'm looking at you). Doesn't do much as an individual, but I like to believe at least it puts one more dot of upward pressure on industry wages by those who choose to pursue the job, by removing myself from the inventory.
 
Excitement for them is taking the Senoir's bus to the casino. They are all working so hard at being OLD, and I still feel like I'm just getting started. Still flying, still riding my motorcycles.
I’d much rather **** my money away on motorcycles and flying than in any damn casino, that’s for sure...
 
I knew a guy that had a Falcon 2000 (millennium?) with his own flight department. One day after realizing he only was flying around 100 hrs. per year, he called the pilots up to his house to weed the gardens. True story.

Did he own one of these?

 
I had a corporate guy look down his nose at my straight tail 182 in St Thomas. He then starts going on about the jet he's flying. I said that's nice but my 182 goes where I want it to not where my boss tells me to go. I then asked him if his boss made him wear a chauffeur hat. That shut him up.
 
They’re joking about the -500 series which is the bulk of the Slotation fleet....
I do get that.
Truth is I’ve had people say on ATC that they’ll follow the “slowtation” while I was pulling away at .92
 
I knew a guy that had a Falcon 2000 (millennium?) with his own flight department. One day after realizing he only was flying around 100 hrs. per year, he called the pilots up to his house to weed the gardens. True story.

Interviewed for a job flying an Aerostar for a contractor. In addition to flying they asked if I could work on their vehicles, and then low balled me on salary because I have a military pension. Nah, turned that one down but they still used me so I charged my daily per day fee. They were buttholes though.
 
Didn’t realize being a corporate pilot was so horrible!
 
Totally depends on who you fly for.

Exactly. I have a friend that flies for a small company. One time the company decided to trade their KA90 and 2 KA200 for 2 KA350.

The company sold their planes, then went through a bit of a rough spot and did not buy the two kA350s.

He did not fly for 6 months until the company bought 2 KA250s.

And my friend and the two other pilots were kept on the payroll the entire time, and were not required to pull weeds....

He said a busy year for him is 300 hours, and he has no plans to leave until retirement.
 
Didn’t realize being a corporate pilot was so horrible!
It isn't. While furloughed from United I took a job flying a Turbo Commander 690B for a family owned steel processing company. When it became obvious I was only flying once or twice a week, if that, I asked the boss if he wanted me to do anything around the plant to help me earn my salary. "No," he said after a pause, "All I want you thinking about is that airplane."

Later, when he bought a Citation II, he called me in to ask if we could fly it single pilot. I told him we could, but I'd want a passenger up front to help spot airplanes because the cockpit was wider than the 690B. "Nope," he said, "I don't want any of our people helping fly that airplane. We'll hire a copilot."

I resigned from United in favor of that job.
 
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I do some contract flying for two related corporate flight departments. They are both very good to their pilots but it is a totally different experience to work for each of them.

For one of them, which is the primary department that I fly for, once the owner gives us the schedule, there isn’t a lot of change and you can plan the rest of your life around it, within reason. The other operation is much more unpredictable. Very often, trips aren’t assigned until the last minute. You can be put on a three day trip and it becomes a five day trip with three additional destinations. That creates a layer of stress for the flight crew that doesn’t exist when you have a firm or stable schedule.

Notwithstanding, the passengers and owners seem to be pretty good to the crews. It is clear to me that we are the hired crew in their eyes, but they are usually very cordial and friendly and sometimes include us in some of their fun stuff.

All in all, I can't complain!

Abram Finkelstein
N48KY
 
I had a corporate guy look down his nose at my straight tail 182 in St Thomas. He then starts going on about the jet he's flying. I said that's nice but my 182 goes where I want it to not where my boss tells me to go. I then asked him if his boss made him wear a chauffeur hat. That shut him up.
Ask him who’s name is on the registration! I heard all the Slowtation jokes for years, my response was. It’s slow, but it’s mine! :D
 
...EVERYBODY I know from my school days are playing shuffleboard, bridge and cribbage. Cribbage, for crying out loud! Excitement for them is taking the Senoir's bus to the casino. They are all working so hard at being OLD, and I still feel like I'm just getting started. Still flying, still riding my motorcycles. Heck, I still drag race.

That's the way to live! I've already had a couple people I know question my decision to start flight training at the age of 51. Like I should be out playing golf or something (no offense to golfers, it's just not my thing). Hell, I just got to a point in my career I can afford to do these things, and you don't live forever, so I'm going for it! I'd rather enjoy living than save every last dollar so I can maybe have a nicer room in a retirement home, or eat a bigger bowl of mush.
 
My experience mixing with corporate and commuter airline crews has been mostly negative. I've never sensed that working conditions were a factor, though in some cases that may have been true. Rather, most of the poor behavior appeared to be ego-driven, especially with younger crews. I fully empathize with the fact that as a pro pilot, flying is a job, time is money, being on time matters, and it costs the boss a lot more to run the jet than it costs some recreational flyer to run the C172. In return, I make every attempt to accommodate those folks and make their lives easier--make an intersection takeoff when I'm ahead of them, cancel IFR early, fly a longer pattern or shorter final, or speed up an approach. With that said, if I get attitude from them, I will take my good sweet time and make them wait. On more than one occasion, I've had crews express an urgency to get out ahead of me, only to still be on the ground several minutes later waiting for a clearance or release.

On the other hand, there are several behaviors exhibited by some recreational pilots which no doubt cause them to become a nuisance to pro pilots. Situational awareness, good discipline, and considerate behaviors are key.
 
Didn’t realize being a corporate pilot was so horrible!
I wish I got to work more. Flying part 91 seems like I don't even have a job sometimes. It's the busy season now which is good but I think I went 27 days in a row without working before. Getting to work is fun and exciting. I know many 91 pilots that fly around 400 hr/yr and they don't seem to enjoy it as much as I do since 400 hrs is a lot. I have averaged around 130 hrs the last couple years and if you throw a couple trips across the Atlantic in there, that accounts for around 50 hrs of the total in just 2 trips.
 
I do get that.
Truth is I’ve had people say on ATC that they’ll follow the “slowtation” while I was pulling away at .92
How often did ATC ask your indicated or mach number just because they were curious? I can only imagine if you were doing a short hop down low and you were at king air altitudes and CE750 speeds that the controllers would find it amusing to ask your speed.
 
Let's assume for one second that story is not a 10% truth anecdote. If indeed true, that is why professional pilots can't have nice things. They treat this gig as an avocation, even if they verbalize to the contrary. Ultimate captive audience/beaten puppy/Stockholm syndrome/pick your platitude. This is also why organized labor is needed, warts and all. I'm not saying we should tar and feather second career retirees or sugar babies (I know we got a few on here) that can afford to put up with a more "financially liberated" approach to the job, if I may pick a politically correct euphemism. But for the rest who are no different than any other working stiff in this Country, we need bumpers in order to preserve the safety-minded conditions required to maintain the safety record these ingrate passengers take for granted in the first place.

I for one, consider myself a friend of the industry by proxy, in that I refuse to work for an outfit that doesn't compensate me for my experience, even if I were to be in the financial position to get paid half what I'm worth (regionals/corporate I'm looking at you). Doesn't do much as an individual, but I like to believe at least it puts one more dot of upward pressure on industry wages by those who choose to pursue the job, by removing myself from the inventory.

It's been said before, but the only way to know what you're really worth is to work for yourself. At most, any experience you have is only worth what someone else is willing to offer you for it. As you point out, the alternative is unemployment.

No one has a right to be compensated for not being productive, and your experience as a pilot is worth exactly nothing when you're not flying. Sure, go ahead and organize the flight department, maybe then the boss will decide that it's not productive enough to justify having a flight department anymore. There are plenty of Part 135 operators with great safety records, or perhaps the inconvenience of the airlines is worth the savings.

If I worked as a pro pilot and felt that I was well-compensated, and decently treated, I'd likely be willing to take on other responsibilities for the boss in return for that compensation and good treatment. There are quite a few good-paying jobs that absolutely stink--in fact, that probably describes most of them. It appears that there is a bit of volatility in the aviation industry, especially among Part 91 operators. If you find a good one with some stability, it's probably worth going above and beyond to keep it. If you want to punch in and punch out everyday with little to no extra effort, then perhaps the union job is for you--just hope that you can keep it until retirement (and the promised retirement benefits are still intact!)

My experience working for other people (outside of aviation) has been that experience may get you hired first, and possibly prevent you from being fired first, but it doesn't tend to move the compensation needle substantially from other qualified individuals for a particular job. Every job has idle time, and the ability to manage it without being handed "busy work" to fill the void is a skill that everyone seeks to perfect. I've worked for and with many small businesses over the years, and while there is generally a healthy level of appreciation from the boss or owner, there tends to be a much greater awareness of employee utilization and, in many cases, a greater presence of micro-management versus big corporations.
 
Let me let you in on a little secret - "corporate pilots" know that they are nothing but glorified chauffeurs and yes, they alot of times are treated as such by the passengers (bosses) that they fly around and have to be at their beck and call. They are away from home, don't really make alot of money, and have to put up with miserable hours and miserable (sometimes) bosses / passengers.

I have been on many of these "corporate" flights and cringe at how I see them treated sometimes.

I love to fly, and I also love to hunt and fish. I darn sure would not want to make my living doing any of them. Well, maybe fishing. But definitely NOT flying.

My first instructor and now close friend got a corporate pilot job after instructing for a while. Tony is one of those people that is just happy all the time, humble, and kind to the bone. He's simply just as good as they come. The dude he flew for is the exact opposite. Total a-hole that doesn't give a crap about anyone else. This guy would call my friend Tony at any time, and with no notice whatsoever, have him go preflight the citation and off they would go to wherever wanted to go. This went on for a couple years, and Tony handled it as good as anyone could, but his happiness dwindled little by little, and this boss of his slowly sucked the life out of him with his erratic and inconsiderate way of doing things. He lived his life on standby 100% of the time. In my opinion, a normal person would have allowed that to drag them down and probably made them a bit of an a-hole too. It almost broke poor Tony, but then he got a gig flying a PC-12 for a company in OKC that actually schedules trips in advance, gives Tony plenty of notice, and allows him to actually have a life. He's his old self again.

I only share this because some of these a-hole corporate pilots may be living a life like Tony used to, and are just worn down to the nub.
 
I applied for a job as an IBM Corporate pilot when I got out of the Air Force.
At my interview, to a man, all the other pilots said "Don't do it." It will destroy your marriage, your life and your health."
I understand things are better for IBM pilots these days, but in 1973, it was described as a "death of the soul" sentence.
I found other things to do at IBM.
 
I applied for a job as an IBM Corporate pilot when I got out of the Air Force.
At my interview, to a man, all the other pilots said "Don't do it." It will destroy your marriage, your life and your health."
I understand things are better for IBM pilots these days, but in 1973, it was described as a "death of the soul" sentence.
I found other things to do at IBM.

Even most of the other things to do at IBM are soul crushing. Ha.
 
Even most of the other things to do at IBM are soul crushing. Ha.

My first job out of college was working for EDS (Electronic Data Systems) in the early 90's, probably a similar soul crushing culture as IBM. I lasted six years there, and should have left after only three. But I was still an idealistic young person who thought my company cared about me and my well being (HAH!) and it took a while for that to wear off and be replaced with healthy doses of skepticism.
 
Even most of the other things to do at IBM are soul crushing. Ha.

For most of my career at IBM, it was fantastic. Even when I drew the occasional crummy manager, my actual job made up for it.
I got paid to sit in my office and stare at the ceiling until I had a deep thought. Then I got to play in my lab with the best, most fun toys money could buy. Other people's money.
If I didn't feel like driving in, I worked from home.
My wife's biggest complaint was that I was always working. She is right. I put in a lot of hours. I loved my job.
I retired in 2010, and I still run a 5 machine server farm in my home office, and I'm still always working. Except I can do all the science stuff that is fun and interesting, and don't have to chase a profit for the company.
 
Friend of mine is a charter pilot on a gulfstream. Says the pax are usually quite polarized—either super nice and great down to earth people or total jerks.
 
I have only had one very unfortunate experience with a corporate pilot.

On the ramp at Fredericksburg, Texas (T82), at the self-service fuel pump, after doing some pleasure-flying and practice approaches with another PoA-er (@DavidWhite), we saw a King air 200 land, and taxi at full-hustle to pull up at the city terminal (not the FBO) to pick up a 13-year-old girl who was going home from summer camp (she chose her parents well, I think). The city terminal is immediately adjacent to the self-serve fuel pump, and I anticipated that he would make the loop so he could pull up with the front of the plane facing the fueling stand, but instead, he taxied in such that a 90° turn to the right to park in front of the city terminal had David and me immediately behind him after his turn. He could have done this relatively cleanly, had he simply relied upon momentum to complete the turn, as I have often seen done with good success, but, no, he turned, then throttled up to bring himself to his desire parking spot. It was a hell of a blasting, grit in our teeth, my cabin door jumped the prop-rod and closed, we held the plane to keep from from rolling, all that. No darned fun.

After he had shut down and open the airstair, and his passenger was walking out to board, I called him out (firmly but politely), and asked him if he had given any thought to the effect that his prop blast would have on the people behind him.

Based upon his reaction, I think it was neither intentional, nor the result of arrogance, but rather, an oversight, because he was very contrite, and he further insisted on assisting us in pushing the plane back into its tiedown spot before he started up. He admitted that he was a bit behind schedule, which led him to rush, but he also freely acknowledged that that was no excuse for what he had done. I am confident he was sincere, and I wished him a safe flight back home to Pampa.
 
Cribbage, for crying out loud! Excitement for them is taking the Senoir's bus to the casino. They are all working so hard at being OLD, and I still feel like I'm just getting started. Still flying, still riding my motorcycles.

And my wife is all, "You're incorrigible!", so I guess I win.

Two weeks ago: Flying the plane to KY dam, bourbon, new and old friends, and singing badly to Okie's guitar playing.
This past week: 1200mi of twisty NC mountain roads on the motorcycle, Irish whiskey, good friends and food, and lots of bad jokes.

Incorrigible for the win!
 
Odd, the two netjets guys I know seem to have a pocket full of fives that they liberally spread around. I guess every organization has its turkeys.
 
Odd, the two netjets guys I know seem to have a pocket full of fives that they liberally spread around. I guess every organization has its turkeys.

Probably from their own wallets and why the company just tried to sneak in forced retirement on them! LOL!!! :) Kidding. Kinda.
 
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