Coddled college kids

First year having to stay in the dorms was a blast. Really made you appreciate having more personal space later on, lol. My parents loaded up my stuff in the truck, but it would have fit in most full sized sedans. I did manage to later bring up a set of floor standing speakers, receiver, and 20-band EQ to make movies/music/games much more disruptive! Never had more than two pickup truck loads of belongings in all of my college houses. No point in bringing up nice stuff that would probably get destroyed or otherwise sullied.
 
I actually had a student (newly commissioned Ensign) this year who did not have a drivers license.

She had never driven a car and my job was to teach her how to drive a 500’ 8000 ton ship…..

You can't leave us hanging.
Did the sailor total the ship?

Also what the HELL kind of ship do you drive?!
 
I actually had a student (newly commissioned Ensign) this year who did not have a drivers license.

She had never driven a car and my job was to teach her how to drive a 500’ 8000 ton ship…..

There is a POA rules that says you HAVE to tell this story......
 
I work in higher ed and they all want to bring their pets too. The proliferation of "emotional support animals" is ridiculous. I think we have 20 something dogs on campus now. Just waiting for someone to get bit.

When I came to college mom dropped me off at the dorm gave me a hug and a kiss and left. I don't even think she helped me carry my stuff in. Only had what could fit in the trunk of the car.
 
I arrived with only what would fit in the car, after a three-day drive to a campus (and a state) I'd never been to before. Admittedly, the car was pretty full, but a bunch of that was Coors beer, which at the time wasn't legal east of the Mississippi.

I figured it would help me make friends.

It did.
 
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Most of my students live in hovels, eat crap and drive wrecks. They work their sixes off trying to keep up (isn't easy when you have me for an instructor), and many of them are mired in debt. The one silver lining is in my discipline you can get a good job if you try and pay it all back in spades. If someone is coddling a student somewhere I certainly haven't seen it. I promise I know way more college students than all of you put together.
 
We dropped our daughter at the airport with two large duffle bags and said see you at Christmas.
 
...When I came to college mom dropped me off at the dorm gave me a hug and a kiss and left....
My experience was similar. At the time, I was a little offended it wasn't a bigger "event". As I aged, reflected on my being the youngest of seven kids, I think my mom had to make the drop off quick so as to keep it together. After all, kids had been the center of her life for 30+ years.

The OP example is extreme but I agree w/ the replies about spoiled kids having always been around. My daughter fell in w/ a pampered, affluent group at school, which starkly contrasted w/ my parenting approach, and provided for constant friction. My daughter has been making sound decisions of late so I'm pretty happy w/ her trajectory.
 
Here's an old picture of young me with my first car when I was in college. We took my car and my mom's Volvo, the latter more than anything so she could drive home - almost exactly 20 years ago that I moved in freshman year, actually. The cars were full but not at all packed to the gills. Basically had my clothes and my computer. And since my first car was a Jaguar, I had all of my tools in the trunk, where they kept as I expected to need them at any given moment. There were a few kids whose parents had bought them new cars. There was one foreign student from South America (I forget which country) whose parents had bought him a new Mercedes C230. One friend had a new Focus, another a new Mercury Mountaineer. One girl had her dad's old Mercedes - a 200k+ mile 560SEC that I did some work on when it was having running issues, another's parents moved to Japan after buying a new Toyota Camry right around the time she went to school, so she kept that. For various reasons she didn't have her license yet and I ended up being the one who drove it mostly since everyone figured out pretty quickly I was the guy who could (and would) drive anything with wheels and some things without. Beyond that, you saw mostly the expected college beaters that were made out of compressed rust and likely to fall apart at any moment.

I went to a private engineering college and many of the students graduated with a bunch of debt. They also all (or at least almost all) had engineering degrees at the end of it. In the 20 years since I drove that car out, it seems that nobody's had issues paying back their loans.

I did get my share of crap for having a Jaguar, although it still had one of the lowest purchase prices of any of the cars on campus and as a friend would tell others to stick up for me "It's not a nice Jaguar". I bought it for $1,000 and it had no steering wheel, dashboard, A/C, or heater at the time of purchase. Not just that they didn't work, they physically weren't there. Also the car didn't move under its own power. I got it moving under its own power, which then changed when I blew up the TH400 transmission and replaced it with a TKO 5-speed.

This picture was taken after a lot of parts and sweat equity.

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When I finally got a car at school in 1986, it was a 14-year-old Delta 88…seems like it was a lot rattier than the 13-year-old car my daughter is driving. But with 455 cubic inches and a 4-barrel carb, it had enough snort that I could get away with really stupid stuff. ;)

I actually lost money delivering pizzas with it, though. So much for gainful employment in college.
 
I bought my two oldest kids a Toyota Corolla 4 door with 230,000 miles on It to share as they were both attending the local Jr. college. My oldest later bought his own car then joined the Army. My next oldest (a daughter) moved to Texas to join a dance company. We got rid of the Toyota (gave it to a struggling single mom when hers died) and bought her a much newer Mazda with 80,000 miles on it because I wanted her to have a reliable car when she was 1100 miles from home (Dad). Coddled? I didn’t think so.
 
I actually had a student (newly commissioned Ensign) this year who did not have a drivers license.

She had never driven a car and my job was to teach her how to drive a 500’ 8000 ton ship…..
I wouldn’t think the two would have a lot of transferable skills.
 
I actually had a student (newly commissioned Ensign) this year who did not have a drivers license.

She had never driven a car and my job was to teach her how to drive a 500’ 8000 ton ship…..

Does the Navy require a state-issued Driver’s license to legally ‘drive’ a boat?

For a .mil driver’s license/operator’s permit/license, a state-issued DL was a pre-requisite and the license generally wasn’t valid if the DL wasn’t valid (expired, surrendered, suspended, etc.).
 
In all honesty, my 5 years living in a very basic dorm (linoleum floors, block walls, steel bunk beds, wardrobe, and chest of drawers, with a community bathroom down the hall) was a tremendous experience. Everyone knew it sucked, but we made the most out of it and had a great time. It was a tremendous community to live in.

I wouldn't trade that time for anything.

Mirrors my early-mid 80's experience. A roommate you didn't know and both living in about 120 square feet and you got to be pretty tolerant pretty quick or went nuts. Still friends and stay in touch with a bunch of those guys.

Winter of 84 in Indiana the ice on the single pane window got up to an inch thick and the radiator under it didn't help much at all. A/C in the summer? Ha. No car. walked everywhere but an older guy in the dorm did have a 75 Honda CVCC he lent out when needed.
 
A bit of a rant here...

So I noticed my neighbors are loading up a semi truck with a professional moving company. I thought "wow they're moving? I didn't even see a moving sign! They sold in a hurry". The fact that they recently remodeled made it kind of a double shocker. So I stopped by to talk to them for a minute.

Turns out no, they're not moving. They were surprised I thought that. No, they're just moving their daughter to college.

That's right. Somehow someone who just turned 18 has managed to amass enough stuff to require a full ******** 53' semi truck in order to go to college. And apparently all of that stuff has to go, parting with it any of it during the school year would just be too difficult.

IDK about those of you who went to college, or skipped college and moved out on your own after high school... but genuinely curious how many of your got an Audi RS 5, a posh, loft luxury dorm (which required a waiver from their college since all freshman are supposed to live in dorms), and had your parents write a letter to your college getting you excused from the first week of school b/c of moving company labor delays? All things my neighbors nearly bragged about doing. By the way, I had to google the car. It's like 75k$! That's just a normal grad gift on top of paying for out of state tuition?

Better yet, do you think if you had gotten a windfall like that -- that you would have gone into school (or come out of school) any more or less prepared to live life as an independent adult?

I know each generation tends to think that the incoming generation is coddled and weak, but after this... I've lost most hope for humanity. Whatever happened to the cold, cinder-block walls and horrendous bunk beds of the yesteryears? The shared bathrooms that the deadbeats in the adjacent room refuses to clean up. The POS window-mounted air conditioner that somehow makes air hotter rather than cold. Isn't college supposed to be as much about living with privations and learning how to function on your own as it supposed to be about education itself?

I mean, when I look back at school some of the most fun I ever had was going to 0.10$ beer night at the bar (every wednesday when they would drain the taps and give you a mystery beer of whatever they needed to get rid of). Or equally fun was pulling all my coins together to afford late night taco bell. Or laughing at my friends who would donate plasma so they could afford to buy a pack of cigarettes that had to last them all week. In college all my money was earned in a crappy hourly job working for the school, so that money meant something to me. And with that shoestring budget you could still have a blast!

And forget the moving truck, my moving allowance was "does your shi* fit in the van so we can haul it in 1 trip? If not, it's staying here". And good god, a brand new Audi? My parents made me sell my janky as*, suspension-squeaking-everytime-i-hit-a-god-damn-bump car. They knew if I'd moved with it they'd be getting a phone call from me begging for a car payment or gas money (at best) and calling from jail with a DUI at worst! (seriously, send your kids to school with an uber gift card, not a car, unless they have a really legit reason for one).

But my question is... are those days gone? Is this now all about glitz+glam+comfort and less about having a new eye-opening experience where you learn how to function as an adult, using your own labor and resources to make it work? If so, then this world is doomed.
Sounds like someone who can’t keep up with the Jones family to me.
 
As someone who works a lot with middle and high schoolers, I find these kinds of thread titles speak more about the the limited experience of the person posting than the reality of the world. Are there coddled kids in colleges? No $#it. Always have been. Are there maybe some more extreme examples? Yes, because there are more extreme examples of wealth dichotomy than there used to be.

The generation that is entering and about to enter college (or go off on another path) in the next few years are, on the whole, considerably more aware of the world we live in than the kids entering college 30+ years ago. They have a lot of information at their fingertips, and most of them know how to sort the BS from reality. They also just "survived" having their lives turned upside down for 2 years and have a new-found appreciation for what is actually important in life (that is, actually having a life).
 
...Winter of 84 in Indiana the ice on the single pane window got up to an inch thick and the radiator under it didn't help much at all...
Worked w/ a guy once who went to school in mid-west somewhere in an "open air" dorm. I had never heard of such a thing. No windows. He talked about those close to the windows having to shake snow off of their bedding in the mornings.
 
Funny... My daughter, who suffered and sacrificed to attend a decent State school and was forced to work at (ewww) Starbucks and is now a big time CPA at a famous accounting firm in Dallas..

Just bought an Audi E-tron.
 
I actually had a student (newly commissioned Ensign) this year who did not have a drivers license.

She had never driven a car and my job was to teach her how to drive a 500’ 8000 ton ship…..

Well at least she didn't pick up any bad driving habits then.

Does she realize that she might spend at least a portion of her career on land, where she might, ahem, need a car? Continually bumming rides from your neighbors when you can't get a cab or Uber on base seems like something that wouldn't look positive on an OER.
 
I am old enough to remember when Rose Hullman was all male.

I forget when Rose became co-ed, obviously before I started there but I don't think it was all that long before, relatively. However it was still something like 90% male. When I went, they advertised St. Mary's as where we could meet girls. This was somewhat false advertising, or at least while it may have been true, they made zero efforts for events to help us have an opportunity to meet them. In my time, I didn't know a single student who dated one of the girls there.
 
I'm glad you spoke up Ted. I was about to ask who Rose Hullman was.
 
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Funny... My daughter, who suffered and sacrificed to attend a decent State school and was forced to work at (ewww) Starbucks and is now a big time CPA at a famous accounting firm in Dallas..

Just bought an Audi E-tron.

Well, apparently there is "no accounting" for taste! I'll see myself out.
 
I forget when Rose became co-ed, obviously before I started there. However it was still something like 90% male. When I went, they advertised St. Mary's as where we could meet girls. This was somewhat false advertising, or at least while it may have been true, they made zero efforts for events to help us have an opportunity to meet them. In my time, I didn't know a single student who dated one of the girls there.
1991 is when they voted to go coed. I was up the road at Wabash at the time.

Because my first name is ambiguous, and I received solicitations to go to St. Mary's. So, I was torn. Do I go to the all-male school I was planning to go or the all-female school?

I did end up dating a girl from St. Mary's, but it wasn't the one in Terre Haute. It was the one in Notre Dame.
 
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I forget when Rose became co-ed, obviously before I started there but I don't think it was all that long before, relatively. However it was still something like 90% male. When I went, they advertised St. Mary's as where we could meet girls. This was somewhat false advertising, or at least while it may have been true, they made zero efforts for events to help us have an opportunity to meet them. In my time, I didn't know a single student who dated one of the girls there.

I didn't realize you went to Rose! And it looks like @PPC1052 did as well? (Edit, nearby Wabash college)

I'm RHIOT class of '80. A chemist, graduated among a sea of chemical engineers. Even then, they advertised that St Mary's was just across the railroad tracks that ran behind Rose. Which was true, but it was also offset by something like 18 miles.
 
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…Continually bumming rides from your neighbors when you can't get a cab or Uber on base seems like something that wouldn't look positive on an OER.
As long as you’re at the appointed place at the appointed time, it was never an issue for my airmen that did not have a DL or vehicle.

When they had a problem being at the appointed place at the appointed time, that was the trigger for disciplinary action.
 
When I finally got a car at school in 1986, it was a 14-year-old Delta 88…seems like it was a lot rattier than the 13-year-old car my daughter is driving. But with 455 cubic inches and a 4-barrel carb, it had enough snort that I could get away with really stupid stuff. ;)

I actually lost money delivering pizzas with it, though. So much for gainful employment in college.

That's hilarious. I wondered the same thing when the guy with his massive RAM pickup delivered a pizza to my house. In the back of my mind I'm thinking "how much do I have to tip this guy just so he breaks even on gas?"
 
I had a rocky time at home mainly with my Father when I was a teen. When I was 18 my buddy and I found a cheap apartment to rent in the bad part of town. My Father told me if I moved out I was not welcome back. I moved out with my 100 dollar car and some clothes. Not much else.
Got to winter time and the gas bill was higher than the monthly rent. My buddy went back home. I knew I wasn't going back home and was lucky to find a one room efficiency and lived there for close to 2 years until I could afford to get a nicer place.
Years later my Dad and I made up and we were whole. It was a good life experience for me.
Never went to college until last week for the first time in 62 years!
 
Lucky kid getting that car and a ton of furniture.

I paid my own way ... first for welding, then a high pressure add-on and was scheduled starting dive training and under water welding when the 1981 recession kicked in full and I was in the last group laid off. I then was competing against every Tom-Dick-Harry for construction welding jobs in Houston (oil patch workers in MIdland were being laid off too).

Went back to school at a community college, but a full load tuition in state back then was only like $240 so a couple of Friday nights waiting tables at a nice steak restaurant covered that ... not the HUGE tuition bills today's kids are facing (even with debt forgiveness).
 
My college car was an '00 Camaro (only about 2 yrs old at the time I started college). My senior gift from my parents was them co-signing on the $15K loan for me to buy it, lol. I still had to pay the $230/mo car payments on it, but that was doable with part time work during spring semester and full-time summer jobs. My parents did cover the fuel bill and $400/mo for living expenses, so that was my "coddled" portion of college.
 
I didn't realize you went to Rose! And it looks like @PPC1052 did as well? (Edit, nearby Wabash college)

I'm RHIOT class of '80. A chemist, graduated among a sea of chemical engineers. Even then, they advertised that St Mary's was just across the railroad tracks that ran behind Rose. Which was true, but it was also offset by something like 18 miles.

There aren't many of us! When I made the decision to go there, my mother told me that for the rest of my life when people asked where I went to college, after telling them they would respond with "Where?" (she went to a small college in Georgia, and was speaking from experience)

BSME, '06. By the time I was there I'd say the MEs and EEs were the majority of the students. It was a good, and very student-centered school.
 
I went to a service academy. Reported on R-day with a single gym bag not to exceed 15 pounds, per instructions. Went to the stadium at 9am, listened to a speech by a general, hugged my parents, walked down the steps, and the fun began. But housing, meals, and uniforms were provided, and I got paid a couple hundred bucks a month, so I was never poor. As we used to say, it was a $200K education shoved up our butt one nickel at a time. My parents took this hilarous picture of us headed to our fate. Some of those kids later commanded battalions and brigades in combat:

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I saved my ass off so my kids could go to whatever school they wanted. One got into a top 10 school, with a price to match, but I paid it gladly. The other is in a state school doing ROTC because that is what he wanted. Both are happy. I am happy. Wife is happy. What else matters? Certainly not what someone else's kid does.
 
There aren't many of us! When I made the decision to go there, my mother told me that for the rest of my life when people asked where I went to college, after telling them they would respond with "Where?" (she went to a small college in Georgia, and was speaking from experience)

BSME, '06. By the time I was there I'd say the MEs and EEs were the majority of the students. It was a good, and very student-centered school.

Outside of the engineering fields, Rose-Hulman remains a remarkably obscure school, despite US News and World Report ranking it the best engineering school among non-Ph.D. granting institutions for the last 23 consecutive years. (Update, as of 9/12/22, Rose earned that #1 ranking for 24 consecutive years) That's a helluva run. But even the recruiting brochure the year I came in admitted that 'Rose Hulman' sounded like a lady wrestler. Back then, they were also sending recruits the famous 'Ski Terre Haute' poster.

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Outside of the engineering fields, Rose-Hulman remains a remarkably obscure school, despite US News and World Report ranking it the best engineering school among non-Ph.D. granting institutions for the last 23 consecutive years. That's a helluva run. But even the recruiting brochure the year I came in admitted that 'Rose Hulman' sounded like a lady wrestler. Back then, they were also sending recruits the famous 'Ski Terre Haute' poster.

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Ha! Those posters were still up when I was a freshman.

Spent freshman year in Deming 3, sophomore in Deming 4, and then moved off campus for junior and senior years.

This summer when we went on our road trip to the Indy 500 we drove through Terre Haute, it was the first time I'd been through in a number of years. It's really grown and a lot has changed.
 
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