Everskyward
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Ok so why have forums. I'm quoting the aim. You go ahead and believe what you want. And you'll be understood, but the original poster asked for correct phraseology. You go read the aim.
Oh and you're in a position to educate people on this matter?
You're funny.Yes, I am.
My feelings are not relevant. I've been reading both the AIM, as you suggested, and the P/CG, and your claims are not supported by what I've been reading.It's clear what the service is called (aim 4-1-15), but if it makes you feel better... And yes you'll be understood...
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Read aim 4-1-15. Don't just make **** up.I've read it, many times. It does not support your position.
Read aim 4-1-15. Don't just make **** up.
That's not the only place in the AIM where the term is used.Read aim 4-1-15. Don't just make **** up.
No kidding!
Flight Following and Traffic Advisories are the same thing.
93.71 has a different meaning than radar advisories and is precisely an example of a different specific use. 4-1-21 is the proper use of flight following term. As in overwater flight following specific to Cape Cod or parts of Great Lakes. That's my whole point, the generic term is VFR traffic advisories. 6-2-6 notes both, showing they are two different things. 10-1-4 is Gulf of Mexico flight following.
Who was the other troll that was never wrong?
Not before 2020. You will not see traffic not equipped with ADSB, which is still most of it, unless you happen to be in range of a tower. Still rather spotty.On a side note, with ADS-B in and out, you'll know about traffic far before you're advised. Me, I still stay on with ATC anyway because in an emergency the last thing I want to have to do is find the right frequency/agency...
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93.71 has a different meaning than radar advisories and is precisely an example of a different specific use. 4-1-21 is the proper use of flight following term. As in overwater flight following specific to Cape Cod or parts of Great Lakes. That's my whole point, the generic term is VFR traffic advisories. 6-2-6 notes both, showing they are two different things. 10-1-4 is Gulf of Mexico flight following.
Ok I can search too. And all your citations just show that the words appear - never said they didn't. They just have a different meaning.
So no, professionalism and a attempt to use proper phraseology is not pedantry.
Aim 4-1-8 "In addition, the controller will provide traffic advisories on a workload permitting basis"
4-1-15 "VFR radar advisory service" read all about it.
4-2-3 contact procedures! "Miami Center, Baron Five Six Three Hotel, request V-F-R traffic advisories"
So before you get smug and call someone out, read a little more closely.
Flight following and VFR radar traffic advisories aren't the same thing... The correct term when you call up center/approach (even though the colloquial "flight following" will work) is traffic advisories.
What is your source for "proper phraseology"? The 7110.65 is directed to controllers, not pilots. The AIM is pretty much limited to numbers and phonetics. AC 90-42F is good for uncontrolled airports, but is irrelevant in this context. AIM 4-2-1(b) gives pilots carte blanche to say whatever they want to say. Give us an authoritative source, please.
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Real FF hasn't really much existed in most of the US in decades.
Why not?You'll never gain a controllers trust and respect by using phrases like flight following...never.
What is "real FF" in your opinion?
Wow had no idea Flight Following was the wrong term...so i should say something like:
Phoenix Approach, Skyhawk 6123D, (location), request radar advisories?
Periodic position reports.
Interesting. I was not aware that position reports had been eliminated.Periodic position reports.
Wow had no idea Flight Following was the wrong term
At the end of the day I'm going to ask for FF, enter the squawk and go on my merry way. At the end of this day I'm going to say, "Thanks for the service, I have the field in sight"
Never once have I had a controller jump down my throat for saying FF vs VFR advisories. Just say what you want and enjoy your flight. The end result is the same.
Why not?
At the end of the day I'm going to ask for FF, enter the squawk and go on my merry way. At the end of this day I'm going to say, "Thanks for the service, I have the field in sight"
Never once have I had a controller jump down my throat for saying FF vs VFR advisories. Just say what you want and enjoy your flight. The end result is the same.
At the end of the day I'm going to ask for FF, enter the squawk and go on my merry way. At the end of this day I'm going to say, "Thanks for the service, I have the field in sight"
Never once have I had a controller jump down my throat for saying FF vs VFR advisories. Just say what you want and enjoy your flight. The end result is the same.