Azerbaijan Airliner Down near Kazakhstan, 12/25, fatalities

Hell, Aeroflot was no picnic either. Having been on some of those aircraft, I was really happy we decided to travel through Russia and Ukraine by train.

The quaint bit of newspeak today is that the flight experienced "physical and technical external interference,”
 
flyingron said:
Hell, Aeroflot was no picnic either. Having been on some of those aircraft, I was really happy we decided to travel through Russia and Ukraine by train.
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I recall an old interview in Outside magazine, with a climber (I don't recall who) renowned for making difficult first ascents of some very remote peaks across Eurasia. The question posed was: "What is the greatest danger you face? Avalanche? Icefall? Hypoxia? Frostbite?" The answer the climber gave was "Russian helicopters", as that was their typical method of getting to basecamp.
 
mryan75 said:
Given that we didn’t launch an illegal invasion of another country I think we are allowed to “cast stones” on Russia shooting down a civilian airliner.
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Yes, The USA is entirely blameless when it comes to invading others.
 
Bacho said:
Yes, The USA is entirely blameless when it comes to invading others.
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Of course the US is not entirelessly blameless. But I ask again, does that give blanket immunity to others to invade neighbors and shoot down airliners?

I'll stack our moral imperative up against Russia, China, Iran, NK and many others any day.
 
JOhnH said:
Of course the US is not entirelessly blameless. But I ask again, does that give blanket immunity to others to invade neighbors and shoot down airliners?

I'll stack our moral imperative up against Russia, China, Iran, NK and many others any day.
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I’m not sure our morals have much to do with the question. The question is how does a country at war shoot down a civilian airliner? The same way we shoot down our own jets.

But the thread would seem to think we should treat the two incidents differently because Russia is the boogey man.
 
Putin says he's sorry the plane blew up, but won't admit that he did it.
 
Bacho said:
I’m not sure our morals have much to do with the question. The question is how does a country at war shoot down a civilian airliner? The same way we shoot down our own jets.

But the thread would seem to think we should treat the two incidents differently because Russia is the boogey man.
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The U.S. military shot down one of our own fighter jets while fighting terrorists who are launching Iranian cruise missiles at international commercial shipping traffic. Russia shot down a commercial jet inbound to an airport that was under attack because of an illegal war started by Russia.

If you can’t see the difference then no attempt to explain it to you is going to be worth the time it would take to do so.
 
flyingron said:
The quaint bit of newspeak today is that the flight experienced "physical and technical external interference,”
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It doesn't take AI to translate into "experienced AA Fire,a SAM, GPS Spoofing and Avionics Jamming"
 
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