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Kim recently did a lot of house cleaning.
So the membership went to 100% post menopausal women.
Kim recently did a lot of house cleaning.
So the membership went to 100% post menopausal women.
Cool article in AOPA Flight Training magazine.
The article is titled, Aviation's Glass Ceiling. It discusses the issue of why there aren't more women pilots. I thought it was interesting in that it went beyond financial issues to understand the dearth of women going into flying.
http://flighttraining.aopa.org/magazine/2013/March/career_pilot.html
Here is an excerp.
The phenomenon of female disinterest in professional flying as a personal career track is the subject of a study commissioned by the Wolf Aviation Fund Teaching Women to Fly Research Project. Its report, based on extensive interviews, concludes there are 10 major barriers that women face:
1. Lack of money for general aviation flight training.
2. Instructor-student communication incompatibility.
3. Instructor interruptus, when instructors leave flight training to take airline or charter jobs, often requiring the student to start over with another instructor. This is time consuming, expensive, and discouraging to many female students.
4. Lack of female mentors and support systems.
5. Personal lack of confidence in their ability and a “fear of flying,” especially of stalling the airplane too early in the training process.
6. Lack of experience with and knowledge of mechanical systems.
7. Lack of map reading experience and orienteering skill sets.
8. Flight schools perceived as indifferent to female students.
9. Famous female pilots largely unknown as role models to non-aviator women.
10. Lack of emotional support from family and friends who perceive flying as “too dangerous.”
Wait, are you Gregg from over there, or just Greg?
I don't know what you are talking about:wink2:
Find me the women riding sportbikes, or any kind of motorcycle for that matter. Aren't many. Find me the ones participating in any kind of motorsport. Sorry, they're pretty thin on the ground.
Here's a really good one. Girls have been making academic gains on boys for decades. Now, high earning professions like medicine routinely have female participants, the classes at the medical school at my institution are over 50% female. The Veterinary school is greater than 75% female, and the female representation is one the rise at both.
Now, find me the women in the Engineering schools. How about women getting Physics doctorates? Women mathematicians? Sorry, these are high earning professions, and once again females are dramatically underrepresented. Perhaps there is some sort of cultural barrier, but I doubt it. I doubt even more strongly that there are cultural barriers in other motor sports.
As the end of the day I try and remind myself that female humans are not just males with rearranged reproductive organs. There is sexual dimorphism in perception and cognition. To try and deny that is to try and deny our underlying biology.
Man, why did you have to bring up that yoke-pumpin' GG? She is probably not the best poster child of equality.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but I actively participate in drag racing and road racing. I've owned my corvette z06 nearly 3 years now. Before that I had a gto. I don't ride bikes though.
Sorry to burst your bubble but I actively participate in drag racing and road racing. I've owned my corvette z06 nearly 3 years now. Before that I had a gto. I don't ride bikes though.
Sorry to burst your bubble but I actively participate in drag racing and road racing. I've owned my corvette z06 nearly 3 years now. Before that I had a gto. I don't ride bikes though.
It is a good/worthy discussion, but as with anything relating to Affirmative Action, you are going to get some ugly and emotional responses, mostly from folks that lived though the periods where Affirmative Action led to less than fully competent people doing the job.
Is there a problem with those percentages?
So long as men aren't being made victims in the process, good for them. Know any men who have been denied access to college due to their gender?More women are getting college degrees these days by a long shot, all those things are open to women if they want it.
I have no idea why you ask that. No one is proposing to reduce the number of male pilots (or female undergrads) to bring the gender ratios in line with that of the general population.Should we reduce the number of women undergraduates to even the numbers?
With regard to "victimization" remember that it wasn't until 1920 that women gained the right to vote in the U.S. That is within the living memory of the oldest generation now alive.93% of workplace fatalities happen to men, do we need to even that number out? This is all stupid, women can do whatever they want, claiming victim status is laughable.
I do hope no one takes this too seriously. But if you do......
One thing I've observed is that people seem to want to categorize female pilots as all being somewhat similar. We wouldn't think of doing that to male pilots. Look at all the different opinions on this subject as well as many others. Everyone is an individual with different personalities and traits.
I'd be curious to see a breakdown of pilot personality types (Myers-Briggs perhaps) by gender.
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Me, too. Air Force recruiter told me 42 years ago that there were two jobs open for me in the Air Force. If I had a degree, I could be a nurse. Otherwise, I could be a clerk. I looked around at the women in the Air Force and realized it was true.
This month the administration decided to open more military jobs to women and there was a furor on this board over that as well. Let's agree that opportunities for women are still not on an equal footing with men. I don't know how many pilots come from the military percentage-wise, but I do know that that avenue of entry was shut at one time and is being opened a little more now.
If women just don't want to be pilots as some have claimed, then finding out why women don't want to be pilots is not whining. It is curiosity or it is fact-finding. I personally spent 50 years in the knowledge that women don't fly and I was ok with that. Once I found out that women do fly, I did it. No problem.
I, too, noticed that nearly all of the reasons listed in the article apply to men and women alike. Not a shock really. The biggest difference that I see in the list is the lack of women mentors and role models. So, is it that women don't fly because women don't fly? sigh.
All I can do as a pilot is to let others know that women do fly. And that it is fun for women to fly. And that women can have a good career flying. The same is true for men as well.
Is it just me or is the only complaining on this thread coming from folks like the Fool?52 years of reverse discrimination, sorry, I mean affirmative action, and they are still complaining....why bother any more....
Affirmative Action though well meaning initially is an enormous joke today.
52 years of reverse discrimination, sorry, I mean affirmative action, and they are still complaining....why bother any more....
I think women are too smart to think the hare is worth the chase.
Here is an excerp.
The phenomenon of female disinterest in professional flying as a personal career track is the subject of a study commissioned by the Wolf Aviation Fund Teaching Women to Fly Research Project. Its report, based on extensive interviews, concludes there are 10 major barriers that women face:
1. Lack of money for general aviation flight training.
2. Instructor-student communication incompatibility.
3. Instructor interruptus, when instructors leave flight training to take airline or charter jobs, often requiring the student to start over with another instructor. This is time consuming, expensive, and discouraging to many female students.
4. Lack of female mentors and support systems.
5. Personal lack of confidence in their ability and a “fear of flying,” especially of stalling the airplane too early in the training process.
6. Lack of experience with and knowledge of mechanical systems.
7. Lack of map reading experience and orienteering skill sets.
8. Flight schools perceived as indifferent to female students.
9. Famous female pilots largely unknown as role models to non-aviator women.
10. Lack of emotional support from family and friends who perceive flying as “too dangerous.”
Affirmative Action was intended to provide opportunity to those out of the loop. It was necessary because historically, white males offered opportunity only to other white males.
If you classify Affirmative Action as "reverse discrimination", aren't you ultimately complaining that the discrimination you benefit from is being undermined?
Spoken by someone who is upset because Affirmative Action meant that he had to actually work for it and produce results.You're wasting your breath Tony. They don't want to work for it - they want to whine about how it's somebody else's fault. Kinda the new national mantra, coming straight from the top.....
Sex appeal plays a large part towards attracting men, especially young men. women are not so concerned about looking macho and thus lease appeal.
You're wasting your breath Tony. They don't want to work for it - they want to whine about how it's somebody else's fault. Kinda the new national mantra, coming straight from the top.....
I could be wrong, but I think most people these days can. It is just a few vocal holdouts that want to hold on to outdated stereotypes. They complain about women whining, but the only whining I hear comes from them.Why can't people see us as equal pilots?
Affirmative Action was intended to provide opportunity to those out of the loop. It was necessary because historically, white males offered opportunity only to other white males.
If you classify Affirmative Action as "reverse discrimination", aren't you ultimately complaining that the discrimination you benefit from is being undermined?