Nah. Ain’t sumpin anyone should really know. It’s a Navy/Marine thing. Popeye literally means you are in the clouds. I don’t know if they use it much anymore. There’s some Naval Aviators here with some fairly recent experience, maybe they’ll pipe in.Woosh. Right over my head. Wtf is popeye? o.0
And I have a feeling ima feel really dumb when you 'splain it to me
Thanks. Still feeling stupid because I don't see the connection or relation.
All the time. They don't know what your current conditions are, and you don't know what the other plane's experiencing 5 miles away. Like others have said, tell ATC that you're in cloud and ask for continued advisories until you're past the traffic.
You can fly in IFR conditions without talking to anyone by that method (illegally), but I don't think you're flying IFR.
Especially since the "R" in "IFR" stands for "rules."
Hmm. IFBR, instrument flight breaking rules?
You can fly in G without Clearance but there are IFR rules you have to follow when doing it. Don't think that's gonna get ya off the hook though. But Your Honor, I was like a 1000 feet above the rocks flying right altitude for direction when I was zipping along there in the E, so hows about giving me a break here.
Then throw a “Judy” at him when you finally see the traffic.I miss 'Popeye.' I'm gonna say it next time I get a traffic call in the goo.
Its not just Navy/Marines that use “Popeye.” Popeye is a recognized international brevity code, mostly for tactical aircraft but anyone who’s flown in the military will know a fair amount of there.
That's a controller who has heard too many pilots use non-standard phraseology.
That's fine. I'll use it as soon as it's added to the P/CG.
I think Tally Ho would be better. If he knew what Judy meant, which I never had until that document you posted, he'd probably freak out and start screaming 'oh my gawd, he's gonna shoot the traffic down.' Now that you've shown us that, aren't you supposed to like shoot us.
I think Tally Ho would be better. If he knew what Judy meant, which I never had until that document you posted, he'd probably freak out and start screaming 'oh my gawd, he's gonna shoot the traffic down.' Now that you've shown us that, aren't you supposed to like shoot us.
Thanks, good to know.
I'll guess the U.S. military borrowed "tally ho" from the RAF during the Second World War (?). I don't think it's part of U.S. hunting jargon.Judy is different than tally ho and tally ho is different than visual (traffic in sight). Oh too many code words.
No one said you can do it legally.
It's funny if you read through that manual, how many US pop-culture references became "offical" brevity code words. For instance "Miller Time" and "Candygram."
You can’t fly IMC legally in class E, but I think he was concentrating on the R part. Indeed if that’s his point, I get it.
He mention requiring a clearance in controlled airspace. I agree with you there are times when you are not talking to someone while on an IFR flight plan.
According to the FAA, IFR means, "Rules and regulations established by the Federal Aviation Administration to govern flight under conditions in which flight by outside visual reference is not safe. IFR flight depends upon flying by reference to instruments in the cockpit, and navigation is done by reference to electronic signals." So if you are not following those rules, you are not flying IFR; you are merely flying illegally in IFR conditions.
Ah, I see what you were doing now. But let’s play. By your logic here, anytime you don’t ‘follow’ the rules, you are not flying IFR. Like if you’re in Controlled Airspace and you did get an ATC Clearance, but you broke some Rule, then you are no no longer flying IFR. Say you don’t have a current Pitot Static Cert. Then you haven’t followed a Rule so you are not IFR.??
I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do.
Sure, often. I just reply "We're IMC"