ATC ADSB check

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"Center, can we get an ADSB check? Currently fl240"
What are some appropriate responses? What is the controller doing or looking at to confirm it's working?
Heard today; atc seemed a little surprised, said it looked ok.
 
Harold Rutila said:
Sounds like two people not understanding what the point of ADS-B is, like the rest of us.
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Sounds like a good non-answer...do all the centers even have ADS-B activated? Haven't checked in awhile...
 
Well based on another thread, I thought I read that the controllers don't see anything different on their screen when it comes to adsb.
 
If the facility has ADS-B selected, it does distinguish between ADS-B equipped and non equipped.

If an aircraft is non equipped, a filled or solid circle is displayed left of the ID.

If an aircraft is equipped, nothing is displayed left of the ID.

If the aircraft is equipped but not receiving / malfunctioning, a hollow circle is displayed left of ID.
 
BillTIZ said:
I'll need to look that up in 7610.65, thanks.
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7110.65. I'll clarify, ADS-B alone doesn't change separation. FUSION mode, which includes all primary, secondary radar and ADS-B inputs, does have a different separation standard over traditional single source radar (ASR-9 / ASR-11). Currently, there is no real benefit in reduced separation in the terminal area over older systems even with FUSION at 100 %. Radar coverage and target update being the biggest benefits.

On the other thread, we had a controller comment how if you get an increased radar separation (ISR) code pop up in the data block, you have to go from 3 to 5 miles. Sounds like a pain considering it's not something you deal with on an old single source display. Friend of mine said he used to toggle the ADS-B off so he didn't have to see the icon near the tag. This whole reduction in separation benefit is a big as some would like to tout.
 
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Do you mean the aerial ballet for the rebate ?
 
weilke said:
Do you mean the aerial ballet for the rebate ?
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Well I don't want to downplay the use of ADS-B. I play on upgrading next year. On the ATC end, from controllers I've talked to, indicate ADS-B won't change their procedures that much. They like the coverage and 1 sec updates but for the most part, the radars in FUSION mode provide that as well.

The bigwigs seem to think it's critical in implementing FUSION.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7210.739.pdf
 
Velocity173 said:
Well I don't want to downplay the use of ADS-B. I play on upgrading next year. On the ATC end, from controllers I've talked to, indicate ADS-B won't change their procedures that much. They like the coverage and 1 sec updates but for the most part, the radars in FUSION mode provide that as well.

The bigwigs seem to think it's critical in implementing FUSION.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7210.739.pdf
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There is this little aerial dance routine you have to fly for the FAA to register your ADSB installation. The quickest way to do it is to fly a cloverleaf over one of the ground stations. If you wanted to do this in Class-A airspace, you would need a controller to give you that slice of airspace.
 
Velocity173 said:
7110.65. I'll clarify, ADS-B alone doesn't change separation. FUSION mode, which includes all primary, secondary radar and ADS-B inputs, does have a different separation standard over traditional single source radar (ASR-9 / ASR-11). Currently, there is no real benefit in reduced separation in the terminal area over older systems even with FUSION at 100 %. Radar coverage and target update being the biggest benefits.

On the other thread, we had a controller comment how if you get an increased radar separation (ISR) code pop up in the data block, you have to go from 3 to 5 miles. Sounds like a pain considering it's not something you deal with on an old single source display. Friend of mine said he used to toggle the ADS-B off so he didn't have to see the icon near the tag. This whole reduction in separation benefit is a big as some would like to tout.
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Thanks, I reviewed the Fusion Mode in 7110.65 today, but did not see anything direct about reduced separation. I did see some comments about fusion mode with transitions from approach to enroute coverage and having 3 mile increasing to 5 mile.

Interesting the fusion mode now. When I was in ATC we were just getting computer generated displays matrixed from different radars. But not so much fusion, but matrix.
 
weilke said:
Do you mean the aerial ballet for the rebate ?
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?? 30-45 minutes of flight under ADSB coverage within adsb required airspace. It works, got the rebate check in record time.
 
BillTIZ said:
?? 30-45 minutes of flight under ADSB coverage within adsb required airspace. It works, got the rebate check in record time.
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Didn't work for us. Only after someone did the magic aerial ballet all the boxes on the FAA report filled in.
 
There are some cases where with a radar outage or outside of radar coverage, ADS-B Out equipped aircraft are provided direct routes rather than flying airways and using procedural separation.
 
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