Anybody do pet insurance?

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My GSP hurt himself again tonight. We were taking him on his daily run through the woods and as he rounded a bend up ahead we heard a dog scream and he came running... with a big tear on his leg.
http://thecowman.com/pics/iphone233.jpg <--poor doggy pic

A month ago he was at doggy day-care and decided he HAD to play with another dog that wasn't interested... got bit... continued trying to play.

With this guy's rough & tumble lifestyle I'm wondering if pet insurance might be a good idea with him. He's just turning 1 in a week and this will be his third scar and vet visit. I'm wondering if we should get insurance for him... if it's a cost effective thing or not. Anybody have it?
 
My GSP hurt himself again tonight. We were taking him on his daily run through the woods and as he rounded a bend up ahead we heard a dog scream and he came running... with a big tear on his leg.
http://thecowman.com/pics/iphone233.jpg <--poor doggy pic

A month ago he was at doggy day-care and decided he HAD to play with another dog that wasn't interested... got bit... continued trying to play.

With this guy's rough & tumble lifestyle I'm wondering if pet insurance might be a good idea with him. He's just turning 1 in a week and this will be his third scar and vet visit. I'm wondering if we should get insurance for him... if it's a cost effective thing or not. Anybody have it?
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I don't have Pet Insurance...

But.... You NEED it with that critter....:yes::yes:
 
Sorry to hear about your GSP. The one in (near) my life belonged to the girlfriend of my business partner. In his youth he was not treated well - not abused, but left alone with nothing to do except get bored and wreck things. He quite literally ate the entire interior of an old Renault, over time, as one example. Well, that relationship didn't work out and I ended up brokering the dog to my brother, his wife, and his two kids, about 11 and 9. A match made in heaven! Eric became the sweetest dog anyone could want.

It is a good breed but watch out for the doggie equivalent of "the terrible twos!"

-Skip
 
I don't have pet insurance but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. :) :)
 
Sorry to hear about that.

In general, one insures against losses that would otherwise be unaffordable, or at the least be a stretch.

If that's not the case then no, I don't think pet insurance is a good bet.

If you do decide to go in that direction, make sure to read any limitations and fine print very carefully, of course.
 
My GSP hurt himself again tonight. We were taking him on his daily run through the woods and as he rounded a bend up ahead we heard a dog scream and he came running... with a big tear on his leg.
http://thecowman.com/pics/iphone233.jpg <--poor doggy pic

A month ago he was at doggy day-care and decided he HAD to play with another dog that wasn't interested... got bit... continued trying to play.

With this guy's rough & tumble lifestyle I'm wondering if pet insurance might be a good idea with him. He's just turning 1 in a week and this will be his third scar and vet visit. I'm wondering if we should get insurance for him... if it's a cost effective thing or not. Anybody have it?

Go to the vet supply (or feed store sometimes) and get a staple gun and the removal pliers, <$50, saves tons on vet bills. Irrigate and clean well, shave the edges, pull the skin together and staple. Cover with Neosporin.
 
Yeah, normally I wouldn't consider it but he seems to be accident prone and the vet hits us for at least $400 every visit it seems like...
 
Yeah, normally I wouldn't consider it but he seems to be accident prone and the vet hits us for at least $400 every visit it seems like...

Like I said, <$50 replaces a lot of $400 visits for cuts, but more serious injuries are always possible too, so yeah you may consider coverage, or using the horse vet medication chart. I have no idea what pet insurance costs, I never bought it. But I do know when I was married and lived on a ranch, that staple gun saved me a heck of a lot of money. The goats were always tearing their udders crawling though the barbed wire until I got the new fencing up.
 
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I really should know how to do this stuff, my dad used to be a vet but he never really ran me through how to sew up a wound.
 
Go to the vet supply (or feed store sometimes) and get a staple gun and the removal pliers, <$50, saves tons on vet bills. Irrigate and clean well, shave the edges, pull the skin together and staple. Cover with Neosporin.

The hell with animals.... I am gonna get a staple gun for me....:yes:...:D
 
I really should know how to do this stuff, my dad used to be a vet but he never really ran me through how to sew up a wound.

Really, my dad taught me when I went to work on Sperry Rail up in Canada. "You're going to be in the middle of nowhere, you better know how to stitch." But that was in the days before staplers and glue sticks. The stapler is dirt simple, pull the skin together, cover both sides with the tip, pull the trigger. It folds a nice staple around it. To remove you just slip the jaws of the little pliers under and squeeze and it folds the stifle right out.

Super simple, super cheap.
 
I'll bet that my mother has pet health insurance. She takes better care of the dog than she did me as a child.....
 
Five cats all insured

Initially used VPI but they went to. Benefit schedule system, so how we use HealthyPaws and happy.

Had have 7 to 8K vet bills and getting up to 80% back helps! I think with them you go as high as 90% back but premiums are obviously higher
 
Five cats all insured

Initially used VPI but they went to. Benefit schedule system, so how we use HealthyPaws and happy.

Had have 7 to 8K vet bills and getting up to 80% back helps! I think with them you go as high as 90% back but premiums are obviously higher

Premium prices???:dunno::dunno::dunno:..

What do you pay per cat???
 
I'll bet that my mother has pet health insurance. She takes better care of the dog than she did me as a child.....

I always said I want to be reincarnated as my one of ex wife's animals.
 
Premium prices???:dunno::dunno::dunno:..

What do you pay per cat???

Depends on the age they were first insuranced and their current age and breed.

Our oldest one is 16 and still with VPI, as to transfer her to HP would be expensive.

Check out their quotes online

http://www.healthypawspetinsurance.com

On a seperate note, VPI is rated one of the most and HP is always in the top two. They are fast to cut the check and it's all done online.
 
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Pet insurance? And insurance on cats???

Man, I learn all kinds of weird crap on this board. This is some scary stuff.
 
I got a very rambunctious puppy and was was "advised" by the vet to look into pet insurance for him, so I did a bunch of research on it and different plans. Consensus I came to was that if a two or three thousand dollar unexpected vet bill is going to be financially devastating or not even possible for you, pet insurance 100% makes sense. If that same vet bill isn't going to be a major blow, then you are just playing the odds if you want that comfort, but does not always financially make sense.

It is a guaranteed expense at a lower cost vs a possibility of a higher cost with an unexpected vet bill.

So with that...all depends on your financial situation and comfort. I opted against it but do recommended it for those that live paycheck to paycheck.
 
$3000 vet bills? Seriously? People pay $3000 vet bills? There are many more animals out there that need a home. Every living thing dies.
 
Well, just those that don't view their pets as disposable.
The reality of life is that every living being is disposable and will be disposed of, no exceptions. Life goes on, and there are other lives that are every bit as worthy. Unless already old, cats and dogs will always die in our care.
 
At our veterinary hospital, we do recommend pet insurance. But we add the caveat that Pet Insurance may not be for everyone. From a long term, macro view, pet insurance will not save you money. But it may save your pet's life.

I have a web page that explains my position on pet insurance, and it also lists the 10 insurance companies that do business in Florida. Most of these do business in almost every state. If you are interested, you should research them to find one that fits your needs: http://ormondcatclinic.com/pet-insurancecare-credit.pml
Note that we are a cat-only practice, but it all applies to dogs too. I created that page several years ago, and have fixed the occasional broken link when the insurance companies make changes. So if you do find a broken link, please let me know.

Dr. Henning's advice reminds me of the old "Sure, that will just buff out" joke we use after a major crash. But there are many people that try that. If they are ever successful, then we wouldn't see the results. But what we DO see are the cats that get brought in after such home surgery because the owner couldn't stand the stench of the gangrene. We usually wind up amputating a leg or a tail or we have to euthanize. But if it is a neck wound or a chest or abdomen wound, there isn't much we can amputate and we go straight to euthanasia. Add in cremation and an optional urn and that isn't cheap either.

Often the wife brings the pet in after home surgery, because the husband is at the emergency room having a nasty bite fixed after trying to stitch up their sweet little "wouldn't hurt a fly" Daisy after Daisy bit the **** out of him for operating without anesthesia. Such surgery can result in even more pain and excruciating death than the original wound. But of course, I have a vested interest in this, so take my opinion for what it's worth. But also take Henning's advice for what it is worth too. If you hate animals, or consider them fungible, then just shoot them instead. It is more humane. (note, that is not a recommendation).

In 15 years of practice, we have only had two invoices exceed $3,000. It would have been three, but one of them went out to the car to get their check book and never returned. All contact info was false.

We could have had many more invoices that size or more, but most people, even the ones that can afford it, choose to euthanize rather than spend that amount of money on a procedure that has no guarantee of success. So much for the theory that people will spend any amount on their pet. Like many other theories, that one doesn't survive the real live situation.

So, if you really love your pet, and you might not want to have to decide whether you want to gamble several thousand bucks "trying" to save your pet, then pet insurance may be a good deal for you. Check out my web page to help you do the research. If you want my opinion on which one I recommend, PM me.
 
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A few things...

1) We have a "country vet" that is very reasonably priced. So far we've been lucky and only needed euthanisia once. Rocky was in a very bad way and the vet rode over on his motorcycle with sidecar and accomplished it in the hallway. Less than $75, IIRC. Rocky is resting now in our "Bury Patch" with two others.

2) When Jake had his oral melanoma, Doc Mitchell did not hesitate for a moment in preparing a referral to the University of Tennessee Vet School in Knoxville. He thought it was a wise choice given their expertise, and that they'd likely be more up on current developments.

3) Jake's surgery there was about $1,200. We were given the options of chemo and radiation and oral cancer vaccine post op, which would have run thousands of dollars, and we were prepared to do. But the vet at UT said that there was not much evidence that any or all of those treatments would significantly alter Jake's predicted lifespan, which would average about 270 days with such an aggressive melanoma.

In any case, we're right about at 270 days and Jake seems fine for now. That thread is here: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71582
 
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My GSP hurt himself again tonight. We were taking him on his daily run through the woods and as he rounded a bend up ahead we heard a dog scream and he came running... with a big tear on his leg.
http://thecowman.com/pics/iphone233.jpg <--poor doggy pic

A month ago he was at doggy day-care and decided he HAD to play with another dog that wasn't interested... got bit... continued trying to play.

With this guy's rough & tumble lifestyle I'm wondering if pet insurance might be a good idea with him. He's just turning 1 in a week and this will be his third scar and vet visit. I'm wondering if we should get insurance for him... if it's a cost effective thing or not. Anybody have it?

It may be the breed. :D I put about $8K into my GSP over his lifetime. Two rear leg ACL's. One went, then of course the other due to the strain. Twice he swallowed foreign objects he couldn't pass, so had too be opened up (stomach, and intestines) to remove. I just couldn't imagine letting him go, so yes I'd be game for pet insurance when I get another one.
 
You can find a bookie for any bet if the odds are good enough.

Essentially, isn't that what insurance is anyhow? I'm "betting" I'll need the money and they will pay out big. The insurance carrier is "betting" they won't and get to keep all of my premium plus the investment interest.
 
Essentially, isn't that what insurance is anyhow? I'm "betting" I'll need the money and they will pay out big. The insurance carrier is "betting" they won't and get to keep all of my premium plus the investment interest.
The similarity is there, except for the fact that even though you are placing the bet, you are hoping you lose. With insurance, you will be pretty sure what your expenses will be. Without insurance, you expenses can vary widely and unpredictably, from nothing to thousands.
 
My thoughts on pet insurance:
-placing a hungry third party (the insurance industry) in between provider and recipient will, as an unavoidable result, raise the cost of veterinary care for everyone.
-right now, it takes 20-30 minutes to complete the ins co claim forms, find/copy/fax the records, handle the phone calls that happen between clinic & owner or insurance co./recording who got what record or info.
Because there are so few claims at this time, most clinics are eating this cost but I have to wonder if that will continue. (I recall learning what it costs the average M.D. to do all that including hiring a dedicated claims person, and was shocked) A staff member is not going to do this for free on her lunch hour, and a business will need to be reimbursed for these efforts.

-there is the concern by some that the insurance co's will eventually get like human med insurance....developing departments whose sole purpose is to delay or deny claims. And there is the worry that they will 'guide' treatments away from more useful ones to less effective but cheaper ones.
We have already experienced denied claims; be sure to review any policy closely.

Speaking about the average person with typical means....I believe we should consider most insurance as being for larger items; things like calamities which might bankrupt a person, ie losing a house in a fire, liability for home & auto, life. For items <$5000 it is probably more efficient to have a nest egg set aside. I know that is a fantasy, people want their ____ (car/pet/house/baby/etc etc) NOW, without planning ahead for future needs.

Having said all that against pet health insurance....there probably is a place for it with some people. Who knows, maybe a vet clinic would stand a fighting chance to collect on some of these services, right now it is abysmal.

Only comment I have about stapling or gluing animal's skin together is....I think that is a 1950's idea. Hoped it had gone out with all the other dangerous and inhumane ideas from days gone by. Seriously. We can do a lot better for our animal friends now....and without going broke.
 
Essentially, isn't that what insurance is anyhow? I'm "betting" I'll need the money and they will pay out big. The insurance carrier is "betting" they won't and get to keep all of my premium plus the investment interest.

The only difference is intent. Gambling at a Casino your intent is to expose your wealth to risk to increase your wealth. Gambling on insurance the intent is to protect your wealth from risk to maintain it.

In the end the relationship between you and a bookie or an insurance underwriter are the same, the positions you are in are just reversed; except that in both cases, the other side dictates the odds and ante, the house always wins that way. Pretty much goes for the stock market as well.
 
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Only comment I have about stapling or gluing animal's skin together is....I think that is a 1950's idea. Hoped it had gone out with all the other dangerous and inhumane ideas from days gone by. Seriously. We can do a lot better for our animal friends now....and without going broke.

:confused: Stapling and gluing is current technology in veterinary and human medicine from what I have seen. I have been stapled, heck, I've stapled myself. I think they are faster and less painful than stitches. :dunno:
 
Well the good news is the big guy is totally fine this morning. I think the sedative the vet gave him threw him off more than the injury. He's running around and playing... probably wants to go right back out where he got in the first place again.

IDK, with us moving in another month or two we will be switching vets. The new one probably will be more of a country vet, maybe they will be cheaper.
 
Your thoughts are mostly valid, but there are a few things I will comment on:
My thoughts on pet insurance:
-placing a hungry third party (the insurance industry) in between provider and recipient will, as an unavoidable result, raise the cost of veterinary care for everyone.
The insurance company doesn't actually come between the provider and the recipient. This is a big difference in veterinary insurance. In this case, the insured is still required to make full payment to the provider, and then they apply for reimbursement. If you pay with a credit card, you are almost always reimbursed before the CC bill comes.



-right now, it takes 20-30 minutes to complete the ins co claim forms, find/copy/fax the records, handle the phone calls that happen between clinic & owner or insurance co./recording who got what record or info.
Because there are so few claims at this time, most clinics are eating this cost but I have to wonder if that will continue. (I recall learning what it costs the average M.D. to do all that including hiring a dedicated claims person, and was shocked) A staff member is not going to do this for free on her lunch hour, and a business will need to be reimbursed for these efforts.
It only takes us seconds. All we have to do is print off a copy of our medical record, which we have to create and keep any way. In our case it is even easier because we store all records electronically any way. All we have to do is pull up the patient, select "email chart", enter the insurance company address and hit send. The client will have their refund in a few days. Veterinarians are well aware of the mess that insurance made to human health care and are very careful to not allow that to happen here.


-there is the concern by some that the insurance co's will eventually get like human med insurance....developing departments whose sole purpose is to delay or deny claims. And there is the worry that they will 'guide' treatments away from more useful ones to less effective but cheaper ones.
We have already experienced denied claims; be sure to review any policy closely.
I bolded and reddened this to emphasize it. Each policy is different. Each has different types of policies, different exclusions, different reimbursement policies and different coverages. I'll post my web page link again to help those interested to research various policies.
http://ormondcatclinic.com/pet-insurancecare-credit.pml

The plan we usually recommend:

  • Does NOT cover any kind of wellness service. That is just an exchange of money for which the insurance company takes a fee.
  • Pays a straight 90% of actual cost. This allows you to go to a high quality vet clinic (like ours:D) and only have to pay 10% of our normal fee. Some plans (like one the OP mentioned) pay off a schedule. They might pay $100 for a broken leg whether the actual fee is $100 or $1000.
  • Allows you to select a deductible you are comfortable with.


Speaking about the average person with typical means....I believe we should consider most insurance as being for larger items; things like calamities which might bankrupt a person, ie losing a house in a fire, liability for home & auto, life. For items <$5000 it is probably more efficient to have a nest egg set aside. I know that is a fantasy, people want their ____ (car/pet/house/baby/etc etc) NOW, without planning ahead for future needs.
I tend to fall in that same camp myself. BUT I have seen too many instances where people struggle, cry, blame themselves, blame ME and carry on like a baby because their pet needs more vet care than they can possibly pay for now. And we are not a finance company. For these people (and for us), insurance is a blessing.

Having said all that against pet health insurance....there probably is a place for it with some people. Who knows, maybe a vet clinic would stand a fighting chance to collect on some of these services, right now it is abysmal.
Very true.

Only comment I have about stapling or gluing animal's skin together is....I think that is a 1950's idea. Hoped it had gone out with all the other dangerous and inhumane ideas from days gone by.
Very true again.

Seriously. We can do a lot better for our animal friends now....and without going broke.
Quality veterinary care is expensive. But just because a veterinarian is expensive doesn't mean they are good. Do your research and ask questions. If you can't afford veterinary care you should reconsider taking on the responsibility of owning a pet, or maybe consider paying $20 -$30 per month for insurance.
 
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My dogs go on a leash but the back yard. They associate with no other dogs of any stripe without my direct supervision. Hence they don't need so many expensive visits to the vet. The most expensive I can recall was my boy dog's reverse bris. Most vet visits are due to dogs associating with other strange dogs. That's how dogs get hurt, and that's how diseases get spread.

As far as Henning's suggestion, you might try if you are damn good and certain that the animal has been immobilized. For a cat I think this is utterly impossible without protective clothing, those claws are sharp. For a dog it might be possible, I think I could restrain my boy dog. But my dogs are tiny. I am fairly certain that any dog will reach around and bite you as hard as it can if you start cleaning and stapling a wound. I can't even imagine what I'd use for a home anesthetic. My boy dog can eat more benadryl than me with no obvious effects. I think I'd have to use an inhalant, and I wouldn't trust any home setup to give that to a dog.

I suspect that if either or my dogs got hurt I'd go see the vet. Vet bills are nothing compared to hospital bills. And hospitals are wonderful places to acquire infections refractory to just about all known medications. That kind of risk I'm not taking for a dog.
 
Can't speak to pet insurance but do recommend everyone with animals have a bottle of Vetricyn on hand. It isn't cheap but the stuff is nothing short of a miracle topical spay for all cuts, scrapes, etc. You can pick it up at your local co-op or TSC.
We use it with our farm and domesticated animals and the stuff has saved us literally $1,000s in vet bills (easy to do when it costs $100 just to have the vet come out to the farm).

http://vetericyn.com/
 
Cats I hold between my teeth by the nape of the neck. They go limp and I can do whatever I need, typically trimming claws.
 
Cats I hold between my teeth by the nape of the neck. They go limp and I can do whatever I need, typically trimming claws.

That's tried and true, but here's something I hear works really well too...

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