Another alleged drunk airline pilot

Brad Z said:
I don't know that there are necessarily more drunk pilots, but people are starting to notice more often and taking the risk of speaking up.

As far as alcoholism in the airline industry...it shouldn't be particularly surprising:
1) spending a lot of time with new people for several days at a time. Alcohol is a natural social lubricant.
2) spending time away from home and family; stress on family and relationships
3) self medicating for depression; actually treating depression is medically grounding
4) self medicating for trouble sleeping.
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5) spending lots of time on the road bored out of your skull. (Probably a combination of the above.)
 
You guys do realize the "drunk pilots" are strategically placed there to draw attention away from coke-toting pilots, right?
 
There's no such thing as a marijuana blackout, so even if marijuana becomes problematic for an individual it's less of a threat to the entire community.
 
GlennAB1 said:
There's no such thing as a marijuana blackout, so even if marijuana becomes problematic for an individual it's less of a threat to the entire community.
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And makes it so much easier for the government to control a population. Plus there's that whole tax revenue thing too.
 
Jimmy cooper said:
Well.....how bout your airline captains uniform , leave your hat in the car and wear your black lite weight uniform raincoat which is or was plain. Stop in for a "night cap" or three on the way home?
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I myself tend to make it a rule to avoid bars where men are wearing black raincoats !!!
 
Yeah, what was surprising to me was guys still drinking Bud when you could get German beer a bit cheaper, higher alcohol content, and better tasting. When I was there in the 70s .25 for German, .30 for Bud.

But yeah, a lot of drinking. We even had an all ranks club so you had officers and enlisted getting drunk together.
 
mscard88 said:
Yeah, what was surprising to me was guys still drinking Bud when you could get German beer a bit cheaper, higher alcohol content, and better tasting. When I was there in the 70s .25 for German, .30 for Bud.

But yeah, a lot of drinking. We even had an all ranks club so you had officers and enlisted getting drunk together.
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Me too. I was there in the '80's, prices were a little higher. I got spoiled on German beer, and after I came back to the States, it was a long time until I could touch a Bud or a Miller.
 
mscard88 said:
Yeah, what was surprising to me was guys still drinking Bud when you could get German beer a bit cheaper, higher alcohol content, and better tasting. When I was there in the 70s .25 for German, .30 for Bud.

But yeah, a lot of drinking. We even had an all ranks club so you had officers and enlisted getting drunk together.
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Heck, you can go into any bar here in the US that has dozens of craft beers on tap or in bottles and bubba still has to drink his Bud.
 
SkyDog58 said:
Heck, you can go into any bar here in the US that has dozens of craft beers on tap or in bottles and bubba still has to drink his Bud.
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Yeah, my son is like that, except it's Bud Light. :dunno:
 
I actually don't like craft beers for the most part. I usually drink German Pils when I drink beer. SE Asian beers, like Tiger, are light and strong. Tiger is pretty much all I drink when I'm over there.
 
Might be fun to mess with TSA? Gargle and spit out some gin, add a dab or two behind your ears, and give 'em a big, breathy hello. . .wait for the sh*t storm, blow 0.0. but that would be wrong. . .
 
Sac Arrow said:
Army. Just like every other junior enlisted GI in Germany, the minute evening formation broke we all scrambled for the bars on the strasse.
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Shore leave for the other uniform.
 
GlennAB1 said:
German beer is even good at room temperature.
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The Germans who we worked with on base drank it at room temperature. But man they couldn't handle some Jack D when we'd buy some occasionally. A hoot to experience.
 
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Art VanDelay said:
And makes it so much easier for the government to control a population. Plus there's that whole tax revenue thing too.
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For the most part the heavy drug use goes along with chit economies, with no apparent light at the end of the tunnel, I mean why not do crack or whatever, or smoke weed with every buck you have when there seems nothing better to aspire to, or at least when you look around your community.

Laws, or lack there of, could never make one hundredth the number of drug ABUSERS, when compared to the hopelessness of failed economies and runaway socialism.
 
James331 said:
For the most part the heavy drug use goes along with chit economies, with no apparent light at the end of the tunnel, I mean why not do crack or whatever, or smoke weed with every buck you have when there seems nothing better to aspire to, or at least when you look around your community.

Laws, or lack there of, could never make one hundredth the number of drug ABUSERS, when compared to the hopelessness of failed economies and runaway socialism.
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You spout off without any reasoning. When the coke craze was big, club 54 in NYC was not filled with poor people but rather the elite, as were many clubs like it. Many many wealthy were arrested after coming " down town" to get their fix. Drugs and booze cross all lines in great numbers. Common knowledge. Has nothing to do with " welfare queens " etc.doctors and nurses are a prime example of good incomes and drug, alchol abuse. On and on. Our economy is doing very well compared to 2006-2008! In fact it's astounding after what Wall Street did and got away with! it's the same old story when big money rules....privatize profits...socialize losses.
 
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Jimmy cooper said:
You spout off without any reasoning. When the coke craze was big, club 54 in NYC was not filled with poor people but rather the elite, as were many clubs like it. Many many wealthy were arrested after coming " down town" to get their fix. Drugs and booze cross all lines in great numbers. Common knowledge. Has nothing to do with " welfare queens " etc.
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Plenty of reasoning, and frankly I could care less about a little party coke, it's the poor folk who get gorked out of their melons for most of their waking life, they ain't doing a little coke off a beautiful woman's thigh after closing a huge deal, or smoking a little weed at their carpentaria mansion as they think of the next iWhatever, it's the poor folks who do drugs because "why not" who are the larger part of that pie chart.

Out of the druggies I see, the ones who come across my path are the chronic ones, the ones who have turned their bodies into a dump and are now circling the drain, and 95% of them are poor and have always been poor, and I don't blame their poverty completely on them, look at how different income levels are taxed, we still have slavery, and our masta goes by the name of the IRS. You ain't "working your way up" in society, you ether make a nearly impossible leap form poor to middle class, or the IRS taxes you back into your ghetto the second you make more than XX. Same with middle class, you ether leap into the next level, which is nearly impossible, because if you dare to slowly make more and more, once you exceed XX you're going to be taxed back into your little ticky taky box in the burbs.

When one looks around their community and sees no hope, I have a hard time faulting them for using drugs to put their head into a "better place". Illusion or not, right or wrong.
 
This is OT, but I heard an interesting factoid on VPR yesterday, that said that 1 in 4 (I believe it was) Americans fall below the poverty line at least once in their lives, and for most in that group, it's not a chronic problem but an acute, recurring one as medical or other unexpected expenses outpace their ability to pay. Their incomes being marginal to begin with, it isn't hard to overwhelm their finances with a catastrophic bill. Most aren't "welfare queens" or whatever the stereotype-du-jour is, but hardworking folks temporarily unable to make ends meet. Most common catastrophe is, in fact, an illness for which their medical insurance, if indeed they have any, is woefully inadequate. Can't vouch for the truth of that, but if it is true, it tends to cast doubt on the image of poverty leading inevitably to drug abuse and ruin.

Substance abuse, from everything I've read, is orthogonal to low income, i.e. whatever correlation there is between the two problems is weak.
 
GlennAB1 said:
Addiction has no boundaries and substances come in many price ranges.
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This is true and any sane person who has a modicum of knowledge about booze and drugs knows this. An example would be my nephew who graduated from unv Maryland on the dens list plus excellent private prep school. Good athlete, had a good solid business going , married, got into "recreational" coke " just on weekends"
GlennAB1 said:
Addiction has no boundaries and substances come in many price ranges.
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At any rate he lost his business, his wife and over a mill his father had left him. Much of it due to doctors writing him OxyContin or some other brain fryer. Today's he's broke, living in a hovel after repeated warnings and one trip to an excellent rehab center which he commented " was. Bunch of a.h.s. There are many many like him .
 
Sac Arrow said:
True, and if you get away from the GI bars, that's how it is generally served.
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That's not been my experience. I've spent a lot of time in Germany and never been served a warm beer. I'm naturally inclined to avoid GI hangouts so I'm not sure how I missed it.
 
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