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I read some of the posts, but what prompted the investigation? Were a high percentage of his checkride pilots involved with incidents, or was it just a word of mouth thing?
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According to some of the first posts. He had too many passes and some of his examiner practices were questionable.
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I've heard that they expect a certain failure rate.
Failure rates too low, lots of politics around Sheble's operation and Jojo's not wanting to go 141 with the amount of students he put through. Lot's of factors all culminating together in a situation where the FAA wanted more oversight and weren't allowed.
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Myth.
On a national average a certain failure rate is expected (by statistic), but the FAA cannot tell an examiner he must fail a certain amount of applicants.
What about the other end of the spectrum, if they don't see the expected failure rate, does that raise suspicion?
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They can certainly ask the examiner, but it no way can they tell him he needs to be failing applicants to meet a "goal".
Word gets out when an examiner is giving ridiculously easy checkrides or when he is a hardass and failing everyone.
We actually had a complaint (formal) by an applicant who complained his checkride was too easy by an examiner.
They can certainly ask the examiner, but it no way can they tell him he needs to be failing applicants to meet a "goal".
Word gets out when an examiner is giving ridiculously easy checkrides or when he is a hardass and failing everyone.
We actually had a complaint (formal) by an applicant who complained his checkride was too easy by an examiner.
Did you appease him with a more thorough 709 ride?
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We actually had a complaint (formal) by an applicant who complained his checkride was too easy by an examiner.
Reporter: What would you do if you were elected?
William F. Buckley Jr: Demand a recount.
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Did you appease him with a more thorough 709 ride?
It was rather an interesting conversation, to say the least.....
Comes under the heading "Just when you thought you've seen it all....."
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There were many days with 3-4 check rides in one day. Can't really conduct a proper oral, logbook review, complete the flight and paperwork and get that many flights in a day.
I think now the FAA policy is no more than 2 in a day.
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Correct.
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Some of those pilot mill examiners were making some nice coin back in 3-4 checkrides a day daze.
'Prepping for a checkride? there is a rumor the examiner prefers cash'
They can certainly ask the examiner, but it no way can they tell him he needs to be failing applicants to meet a "goal".
Word gets out when an examiner is giving ridiculously easy checkrides or when he is a hardass and failing everyone.
We actually had a complaint (formal) by an applicant who complained his checkride was too easy by an examiner.
What if an Inspector has a very high pass rate? Since they're the FAA and not "designated" per se what goes on then?
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It's the same.
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Unless the Administrator himself administers the checkride, the person has been designated in some form to act on the Administrator's behalf.
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Correct, but in FAA parlance the term "designee" means someone outside of the agency.
JeffDG
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Fair 'nuff. I was being needlessly pedantic in my use of the term.
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Some of those pilot mill examiners were making some nice coin back in 3-4 checkrides a day daze.
'Prepping for a checkride? there is a rumor the examiner prefers cash'
I had the same DPE for private through multi commercial. He took cash every time. He would roll up the cash, take a rubber band out and put it around the roll, hold it up and look at it, then into his pocket it went.
He would do 4 checkrides per day 3 days of the week at the flight school I went to. I will say that every checkride with him was a learning experience.
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Zeldman
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Because you learn how to make money without paying taxes?
......wait, you can do that?
Yep, legally too.
Matthew
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Steve Martin had it all figured out:
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You.. can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You say.. "Steve.. how can I be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes?" First.. get a million dollars. Now.. you say, "Steve.. what do I say to the tax man when he comes to my door and says, 'You.. have never paid taxes'?" Two simple words. Two simple words in the English language: "I forgot!" How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don't say "I forgot"? Let's say you're on trial for armed robbery. You say to the judge, "I forgot armed robbery was illegal." Let's suppose he says back to you, "You have committed a foul crime. you have stolen hundreds and thousands of dollars from people at random, and you say, 'I forgot'?" Two simple words: Excuuuuuse me!!"
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You.. can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You say.. "Steve.. how can I be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes?" First.. get a million dollars. Now.. you say, "Steve.. what do I say to the tax man when he comes to my door and says, 'You.. have never paid taxes'?" Two simple words. Two simple words in the English language: "I forgot!" How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don't say "I forgot"? Let's say you're on trial for armed robbery. You say to the judge, "I forgot armed robbery was illegal." Let's suppose he says back to you, "You have committed a foul crime. you have stolen hundreds and thousands of dollars from people at random, and you say, 'I forgot'?" Two simple words: Excuuuuuse me!!"
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