All examinees of DPE Edward L. Lane to be required to re-test

Fearless Tower said:
Which one is JoJo? Both he and his Dad are named Joseph Sheble, but I was just perusing the various FSDO DPE lists and the only one I was able to find right now (still listed under the Vegas FSDO) is Joseph Sheble II. I can't remember if that is JoJo is II or III. I do remember him mentioning a few years ago that he and his dad fell under the jurisdiction of two different FSDOs. Wonder if maybe JoJo is still active, but Senior hung up the spurs?
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As far as I remember, they both worked under Vegas.
 
GCA319 said:
As far as I remember, they both worked under Vegas.
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It is kind of weird. Their website says they fall under Vegas, but when I did my Commercial ride with JoJo a few years ago, I remember him specifically mentioning that he and his dad were under two different FSDOs and as such they had to conduct their checkrides and submit paperwork accordingly (ie it was not uniform between the two FSDOs). I'd swear JoJo said he fell under the Scottsdale FSDO, but I do not see him on their DPE list either.

At any rate it is interesting.
 
Fearless Tower said:
It is kind of weird. Their website says they fall under Vegas, but when I did my Commercial ride with JoJo a few years ago, I remember him specifically mentioning that he and his dad were under two different FSDOs and as such they had to conduct their checkrides and submit paperwork accordingly (ie it was not uniform between the two FSDOs). I'd swear JoJo said he fell under the Scottsdale FSDO, but I do not see him on their DPE list either.

At any rate it is interesting.
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My MES was signed of by Jojo and issued by Scottsdale, the gal there even returned my paper cert I carried for many years.
 
Henning said:
My MES was signed of by Jojo and issued by Scottsdale, the gal there even returned my paper cert I carried for many years.
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I just looked through the FAA's complete DPE list (nationwide) and Senior (Joesph II) is the only Sheble currently listed.
 
I understand that one of the Shebles lost their glider DPE a few years ago.
Our local LAS Glider DPE would go to Shebles to do glider check rides.
 
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Just have checked Shebles web site. A month ago they offered two days to get II addon with an examiner on site. Now looks like things changed



Note: The Las Vegas FSDO is critically short of examiners. You will likely commute in our airplane for a few hours to reach your examiner. That is why the course length is higher than what appears in the course description. You will not be charged for the extra flight time.

http://shebleaviation.com/Add-On-Certified-Flight-Instructor-Instrument
 
sdflyer said:
Just have checked Shebles web site. A month ago they offered two days to get II addon with an examiner on site. Now looks like things changed



Note: The Las Vegas FSDO is critically short of examiners. You will likely commute in our airplane for a few hours to reach your examiner. That is why the course length is higher than what appears in the course description. You will not be charged for the extra flight time.

http://shebleaviation.com/Add-On-Certified-Flight-Instructor-Instrument
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Hmm, sounds like Sheble and Vegas are not getting along.

Usually, when a FSDO has a shortage of examiners or their examiners are too busy, they will allow you to use a local DPE on thier list (which is what Sheble had been doing). So, if you are now having to 'commute' by air for a 'few hours' in order to take your checkride.....they obviously are going to a FSDO out of the local area.

Anyone hear any more details about JoJo? Wonder if they are going to start sending out letters for his checkrides?
 
Update.

Well after plane maintenance issues, work, weather,... I finally got my ASES training and Check Ride. Kept the FSDO up to date the whole time and they were understanding as to the delays.

Sent a copy of temporary certificate to FSDO. week or so later they sent me a Certified letter stating that a Re-Check Ride is no longer required. So all appears to be good for me anyway.

I don't think they have treated Eddie fairly.

I have always wanted to get my ASES in a Lake Buccaneer anyway. just wish it was under less stressful conditions.

That Said, my training in the Lake was the most fun I have had in an airplane. I highly recommend it to everyone.

BTW JoJo trained me, and he said he lost his DPE.

Mike
 
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Mike_Flys said:
Update.

Well after plane maintenance issues, work, weather,... I finally got my ASES training and Check Ride. Kept the FSDO up to date the whole time and they were understanding as to the delays.

Sent a copy of temporary certificate to FSDO. week or so later they sent me a Certified letter stating that a Re-Check Ride is no longer required. So all appears to be good for me anyway.

I don't think they have treated Eddie fairly.

I have always wanted to get my ASES in a Lake Buccaneer anyway. just wish it was under less stressful conditions.

That Said, my training in the Lake was the most fun I have had in an airplane. I highly recommend it to everyone.

BTW JoJo trained me, and he said he lost his DPE.

Mike
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Interesting, I'll have to stop in and see what the deal is there. Sr did my training in the Lake and JoJo did my training in the 18 with the old man signing me off for my ride.
 
Henning said:
Interesting, I'll have to stop in and see what the deal is there. Sr did my training in the Lake and JoJo did my training in the 18 with the old man signing me off for my ride.
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LAS FSDO has been clearing house on a few DPEs. Don't know the whole story yet. But it all started with Eddie.
 
One thing I heard is that the FISDO has been pressuring then to operate under 141 rules. I guess if they buckle under all of that extra paperwork that goes with being a 141 school will turn out better pilots. Whole deal is a bunch of BS!
 
yakdriver said:
One thing I heard is that the FISDO has been pressuring then to operate under 141 rules. I guess if they buckle under all of that extra paperwork that goes with being a 141 school will turn out better pilots. Whole deal is a bunch of BS!
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I heard that as well when I was there last year doing my CFI. I personally think there is absolutely no advantage to 141 vs. 61 unless you happen to be a recipient of GI benefits.
 
yakdriver said:
One thing I heard is that the FISDO has been pressuring then to operate under 141 rules. I guess if they buckle under all of that extra paperwork that goes with being a 141 school will turn out better pilots. Whole deal is a bunch of BS!
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Uggg... They are in no way set up to be 141 there, maybe back at Bullhead City, but then they'll have to charge 141 prices.
 
Henning said:
Uggg... They are in no way set up to be 141 there, maybe back at Bullhead City, but then they'll have to charge 141 prices.
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But the FAA wants all that paperwork and control associated with a 141 operation. After all with more oversite from the Feds and having to follow the 141 curriculum they will turn out much better pilots!:rofl: Don
 
GCA319 said:
I heard that as well when I was there last year doing my CFI. I personally think there is absolutely no advantage to 141 vs. 61 unless you happen to be a recipient of GI benefits.
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Pretty much it right there. You lose a lot of flexibility in training by doing it under 141, but....141 is a must if you intend to use any kind of benefits to pay for it.
 
Mike_Flys said:
BTW JoJo trained me, and he said he lost his DPE.
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That sucks.....are they going to send out letters for his rides too?

He did my initial Comm MEL, but I have added two ratings since then, so it wouldn't affect me.

Interesting part to me is that I have done checkrides with both JoJo and Senior. Let's just say that of the two, I am suprised that the FSDO pulled JoJos DPE and left Senior alone.
 
yakdriver said:
One thing I heard is that the FISDO has been pressuring then to operate under 141 rules. I guess if they buckle under all of that extra paperwork that goes with being a 141 school will turn out better pilots. Whole deal is a bunch of BS!
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Henning said:
Uggg... They are in no way set up to be 141 there, maybe back at Bullhead City, but then they'll have to charge 141 prices.
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You mean...they might teach from a syllabus, and have actual ground school for anyone other than their CFI candidates? Good heavens no! :yikes:
 
alaskaflyer said:
You mean...they might teach from a syllabus, and have actual ground school for anyone other than their CFI candidates? Good heavens no! :yikes:
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You don't need ground school for a A_ES add-on. Heck, you don't even need ground school for a AMEL add on. No real need for a syllabus either.
 
alaskaflyer said:
You mean...they might teach from a syllabus, and have actual ground school for anyone other than their CFI candidates? Good heavens no! :yikes:
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Acutally, I went there to finish up my Commercial when my CFI was mobilized as a reservist and sent to 5th Fleet.

They did use a syllabus and have a ground school.
 
alaskaflyer said:
How about a private SEL? Instrument rating? CSES? Commercial anything?

Just sayin'.
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Which is exactly why they shouldn't be forced to be 141. Some you do, some you don't. Anytime you go with an ISO type program, you paint yourself into a corner.
 
I have been there 2 times, over the past 3 years and they have had syllabus, ground school. My only check ride there for my ASES They Joe used an action plan from a note book, the oral was mostly scenario based. I felt it was very professional

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alaskaflyer said:
You mean...they might teach from a syllabus, and have actual ground school for anyone other than their CFI candidates? Good heavens no! :yikes:
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Their current program works for what it was intended for: To finish pilots up. It would be pretty hard to do what they specialize in under Part 141.
 
alaskaflyer said:
How about a private SEL? Instrument rating? CSES? Commercial anything?

Just sayin'.
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They do give a pretty extensive ground school to Private students. I helped teach a class or two when I was there doing my CFI :wink2:
 
Now THERE'S some money they could have saved in the sequestration!
 
So is Lane still a scumbag, or is someone willing to actually defend his honor yet?
 
I believe there were some defenses of him posted in this very thread!
 
Palmpilot said:
I believe there were some defenses of him posted in this very thread!
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Haven't seen one yet that says "He was accused of doing xxx, and here's why its not true."

Right now, reading this thread I see:

"Edward L Lane was a scumbag, and he did something horribly wrong to get his DPE revoked." and nothing else. Unless someone is willing to defend him and actually set the record straight, I am going to assume he was accepting money to pencil whip examinees. That's a scumbag move.

Too bad no one will defend him.
 
SkyHog said:
Haven't seen one yet that says "He was accused of doing xxx, and here's why its not true."
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How would it even be possible for someone to say that? The most anyone could say was "He did a conscientious job on my check ride," like in posts #27 and #30, but that doesn't establish whether the same was true on everyone else's check ride.

Too bad no one will defend him.
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I'm not going to go through all 395 posts again, but I found three favorable comments about him in the first two pages of the thread, and the rest were mostly concerned with the impact of this on the pilots being retested.
 
SkyHog said:
Haven't seen one yet that says "He was accused of doing xxx, and here's why its not true."
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I haven't even seen the "He was accused of doing xxx" part, much less a pro or con stance on the accusation. I think it's assumed to be an anti-Sheble witch hunt from the Vegas FSDO.

My MEI student was forced to re-ride with the local FSDO, who wanted RH brakes in the Beech Baron he brought for the ride, and they wouldn't hear of deviating -- even though it was the Fed who would be sitting on the left side with the brakes. After numerous rounds, he shot them a middle finger and got his PP Glider add-on, which magically reinstated his MEI per the revocation letter.

Waste of time, money, and agony for my student who will likely never fly a glider again.
 
SkyHog said:
Haven't seen one yet that says "He was accused of doing xxx, and here's why its not true."

Right now, reading this thread I see:

"Edward L Lane was a scumbag, and he did something horribly wrong to get his DPE revoked." and nothing else. Unless someone is willing to defend him and actually set the record straight, I am going to assume he was accepting money to pencil whip examinees. That's a scumbag move.

Too bad no one will defend him.
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Yes, Nick, I know it is probably asking alot of you to read through 16+ pages and nearly 400 posts, but there were people in this thread who had checkrides with Eddie and spoke up to say they felt he gave legitimate rides. I'm sorry you feel it is necessary to call the guy a scumbag and not take the time to read through the whole thread.

As far as defending him from specific accusations.....that is a bit more difficult since AFAIK, the FAA has not publicly presented any specific charges of wrong-doing. Kind of hard to defend a guy against specific accusations when no such accusations exist.
 
The bottom line for those affected is that you can add a rating and all of this goes poof - glider, tailwheel, skis, seaplane, ME, MEI, SEI, Complex, over 200 hp, what have you. How about hot air balloon.

Or, you can take a 709 PTS ride. I would think that with a couple of years of experience after getting your ticket, that 100% of you should be able to pass a ride to the PTS. If you cannot you are likely a danger to the public.

Yeah, I understand the anger over getting jerked around BUT the faa is giving you multiple ways to solve it (literally begging you to solve it so they don't have to bother) - so solve it and stop whining.

Which reminds me, it's been over 6 months since I took my biennial - time to saddle up with ol' Genghis Khan again - jeez, my scars from last time are still pink and tender.
 
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