TangoWhiskey
Touchdown! Greaser!
autonomous TAWS?
This is possible.
autonomous TAWS?
So in all seriousness, do you think they'll rethink the doors after this? If so will they do away with the locks or come up with some silly new convoluted solution to it? I'm betting on the latter.
Btw since anyone who didn't already know how the doors worked probably does now, the next suicide hijacker now knows he just has to wait for one of the pilots to go use the can, slip in, deal with only one guy, and lock the door.
Depression is the ONLY cause of suiside. It is the cause of depression that needs to be addressed. Mental, medical, emotional and not necessarily in that order.
Not much room for it, but a double door would work. Like an airlock. Open one door, step inside, other door won't open until the first is closed.
Depression is the ONLY cause of suicide.
"Solving" tragedies like this, or really the belief that we can, is our great folly.
Our society has become unwilling to just accept that a certain number of these things will happen. No amount of procedures, cameras, doors, psych evals., or remote control is going to change it. There isn't one scenario we can conceive of where some of the "fixes" wouldn't be a detriment in another. For example putting guns in the cockpit to repel terrorists is great until someone in a Germanwings scenario uses it to kill the other pilot and take control of the aircraft. Or if remote control was implemented preventing an airliner from deviating. Great, until the aircraft is on fire and the crew is trying to put it down, save as many lives as possible, and the people in the home office think it's a suicide and prevent a landing causing everyone to parish.
Ultimately air travel is about as safe as it can ever be IMO.
Take time to reflect on this poignant essay written by an FA after the Germanwings incident... it's worth your time.
Disagree.
I think there are illnesses where one might rationally and dispassionately decide on suicide as the most reasonable course of action, with zero depression in the mix.
You're thinking Henning, aren't you!
To be replaced with the much safer semi-automatic pilots
I'm sorry Dave, I cannot do that.
(CNN)Latest developments:
• 9:23 a.m.: Lufthansa, together with other German airlines, has announced the immediate introduction of new rules for the cockpit. It will now be a requirement for there to be two authorized people in the cockpit at all times.
Well this didn't take long.....German co-pilot recent convert to Islam....
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...ermanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam.html
Let the fun begin...
Well this didn't take long.....German co-pilot recent convert to Islam....
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...ermanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam.html
Let the fun begin...
Is this youtube, of supposedly the last 60 seconds of the CVR, real?
I fully expect there to be a change to the cockpit door policy after this. I fully realize the procedure is in place to stop a passenger from getting into the cockpit. Obviously, the door works very well, if they were unable to break though it in 8 minutes. I know it would increase the risk of cockpit incursion somewhat, but I am surprised there was not a "secret" alternative way back in. Would it be unreasonable for the captain or FO have a key to the door? Or some other emergency unlatching procedure?
You can change the door situation all you want, put a dozen extra crewmembers in the cockpit - whatever. All that'll do is change the manner in which something like this is done. It's just people making changes for the sake of making changes - none of it will stop a pilot hell bent on crashing the airplane from doing just that.
Well this didn't take long.....German co-pilot recent convert to Islam....
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...ermanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam.html
Let the fun begin...
If that was true you would have heard Allah Akbar or similar on the CVR
You can change the door situation all you want, put a dozen extra crewmembers in the cockpit - whatever. All that'll do is change the manner in which something like this is done. It's just people making changes for the sake of making changes - none of it will stop a pilot hell bent on crashing the airplane from doing just that.
Well this didn't take long.....German co-pilot recent convert to Islam....
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...ermanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam.html
Let the fun begin...
Extreme right wing wishful thinking...wants an excuse to invade Finland or some other Muslim country.
didn't we already go over this?
gruss Gott
The only large jets I've ever flown were the F-4 and F-111, as an EWO.
If I wanted to make the F-111 crash all I would have had to do is wait until we were flying over the Alps and pull both fire handles.
In that airplane pulling fire handles had no 'undo'. Pull the handles, fuel is cut off to the engines, now we glide. No amount of secret codes, fire axes, or cockpit guns (owhich we carried sometimes) could have stopped me.
I bet most airplanes have something like that, some irreversible action a deranged pilot could quickly take that would kill the motors or otherwise place the aircraft in an unrecoverable situation.
Also, let's think about GermanWings the next time some CPA suggests that one pilot and a 'super dispatcher' is all we really need in an airliner cockpit.
Have we established that locking the door and initiating a decent was actually a deliberate move? Does the door lock behind you when you go out? Any possibility he may have had some sort of medical episode and went unconscious at a really bad time? Whacked the yoke as he slumped over? Highly unlikely coincidence I know.
You're close, but you have missed the mark. If anything this will speed the public acceptance of autonomous airliners. Seriously, the technology all exists, all it needs is code refinements. "Between terrorists, rogue pilots, and pilot error killing us, why is there still manned control when the plane already auto lands when the pilots can't anymore, and ATC provides separation?" This may likely be the catalyst event that gets that into the pipeline.
You're close, but you have missed the mark. If anything this will speed the public acceptance of autonomous airliners. Seriously, the technology all exists, all it needs is code refinements. "Between terrorists, rogue pilots, and pilot error killing us, why is there still manned control when the plane already auto lands when the pilots can't anymore, and ATC provides separation?" This may likely be the catalyst event that gets that into the pipeline.
What's to prevent the guy controlling it or programming it back on the ground from having a dark day and doing the same thing ?
The supervisory software which runs on the heuristic programmed algorithmic computer version 9000 will prevent any interference with the successful completion of the mission.