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Touchdown! Greaser!
So….who is gonna make the samiches?
...homeless people crapping on the streets of San Francisco...
...The thing is people want to blame society, but its really more personal, it's on the parents. If parents made it be known that you can do anything you want...
I also find it fascinating that the peanut gallery can simultaneously criticize this attempt as being both "So dangerous she's surely going to die in a flaming heap resulting in increased insurance premiums and regulations on us all" and "So ho-hum boring that it's only garnering any attention at all because she's a she."
jeezus, I did that ONE TIME for cryin out loud
I'm not sure I agree on the parenting........in my entire life I can't say I've ever met anyone that wasn't the most encouraging mother or father to their kids. I guess I wouldn't be friends with them if they were the type of person to intentionally do something like that. maybe I've always surrounded myself with good people, and I'm SURE there are a couple of examples of bad parents holding kids back, but let's get real for a second....if the general reason for there not being enough female pilots was bad parenting, then the issue at hand should be BAD PARENTING and not whining and crying that there aren't enough female pilots. I just don't see that as being the broader issue (heehee, I said 'broad') with the lack of "female representation" in anything. "lack of female representation", whatever the fk that means, and "bad parenting" are MILES apart. I wholeheartedly disagree that even a small percentage of whatever the heck is being discussed here is due to parents not being encouraging to their kids, no sir, not buying it one bit.
You said in your earlier post that my mileage may vary. It does.
If you don't think that recognizing and publicizingwomen'spilot's achievements in aviation is worth doing, no one is forcing you to do it.
If you don't think that recognizing and publicizing women's achievements in aviation is worth doing, no one is forcing you to do it.
Just for grins, I checked the CFI list at the large club that I belong to in the San Francisco Bay area. Out of 44 instructors, only two are women. Then I found this site, which puts women pilots at 6.84% of the total in the U.S. in 2018.I think we are very close to parity between gender already. I’m sure there are women that want to fly and can’t. Just like there are men in the same situation. I don’t think gender is the reason. More so life situations or choice.
Just for grins, I checked the CFI list at the large club that I belong to in the San Francisco Bay area. Out of 44 instructors, only two are women. ...
I don't think anyone is telling you not to do that.I prefer recognizing and promoting achievements without regard to gender or ethnicity.
and I checked a local flight school and 8 out of 18 were women. what does that mean? is it good? is it bad? would one more make you happy? would 5 more change the world? what is the #, please tell me. WHAT is the goal? what is an acceptable # where we can all stop wasting time and energy on this meaningless cr@p.
I think we've long-ago saturated that market. Most professional males 40–60 who might be willing to fly are already doing it. The rest own boats, cottages, and/or mid-life-crisis sports cars.If we really need to increase our numbers, we're fishing in the wrong pond.
Many years of trying to recruit females and to recruit youngsters has not moved the needle. If we need GA pilot numbers quickly, we should be targeting the demographic of upper middle class professionals, age 40-60. That group has the financial wherewithal to fly, and once the kids leave they have the time, and they're more likely to have the desire.
It means we are wasting our time bro, let's hit up the Longaberger basket convention. Much better odds.
I have never claimed to be the arbiter of what is acceptable.and I checked a local flight school and 8 out of 18 were women. what does that mean? is it good? is it bad? would one more make you happy? would 5 more change the world? what is the #, please tell me. WHAT is the goal? what is an acceptable # where we can all stop wasting time and energy on this meaningless cr@p.
I have never claimed to be the arbiter of what is acceptable.
Sounds like a terrible city. My mom and sister never experienced that.By the time they were 12, they couldn't walk a city block without (adult) men making comments about their bodies, or calling them b**ches when they refused to stop and talk with them.
but YOU'RE saying it's not acceptable.
TELL ME what is acceptable, even to you. how can you have an argument when you can't even quantify what acceptable terms are? oh wait, I know how........
Sounds like a terrible city. My mom and sister never experienced that.
You're mistaken.
I think it's acceptable for people to go for gender-related records if they choose to do so, and I've explained one possible benefit that might have. Ed seems to disagree (although I admit that I may have misinterpreted him).
People are reading WAY too much into my posts in this thread!
Thanks for clarifying.I am saying that if people want 100% and unwavering equality, then toss out gendered sports, gendered records, gendered everything, and just let everyone be on the same stage with no qualifiers. But I am pretty sure that if you push the issue, people don't want that, because for certain things it isn't "fair," due to...well, I'm sure you can figure out why.
I actually haven't stated where I stand on it, my posts have been along the lines of be careful what you wish for. (generic you)
For example - the Amish are also underrepresented in aviation, as well as in auto repair, engineering, broadcasting, and the military. We don't seem to be doing anything to encourage them to enter those fields.
Not Amish but I have known 2 Mennonite pilots who each owned their own aircraft.
I also knew of 2 other Mennonite pilots, who were brothers, that died when their plane crashed years ago.
Mennonite compares to Amish like sleeping compares to death.I had a Mennonite buddy in college. He called it “Amish-lite” since he had a car.
You’re (unsurprisingly) missing the point, which is that with vast populations of underrepresented people in any given field, the field itself is missing out on what those talented people bring to the table. And so we as a pilot community miss out on those pilots who could have been innovators, amazing teachers, excellent professional pilots. And that’s bad for aviation, as it is for any field and regardless of which group you’re talking about.I'm just curious, how would your life be better, or how would the world be better, if there were more female pilots? if every pilot right now just instantaneously converted to women, what would change? just asking. would you wake up and say "today's a great day, all pilots are women"? would you not have traffic driving to work because all pilots were women? would all your veggies grow better in your garden?
You’re (unsurprisingly) missing the point, which is that with vast populations of underrepresented people in any given field, the field itself is missing out on what those talented people bring to the table. And so we as a pilot community miss out on those pilots who could have been innovators, amazing teachers, excellent professional pilots. And that’s bad for aviation, as it is for any field and regardless of which group you’re talking about.
The converse is also true. Because there are so few women (and blacks and Hispanics, etc.) in aviation, we also have to get by with a lot of mediocre pilots who could instead be winnowed out of the field by better pilots from groups of people that have little involvement in aviation. The bottom line is there aren’t enough good pilots and instructors to begin with. If you want any field to whither and die, cut it off from new talent pools.
And aviation needs all the friends it can get right now. They’re talking quite seriously about banning short-haul flights within the EU, and I really don’t doubt that happens in the next few years. So we can do the Archie Bunker thing or we can open our minds and think. The last thing aviation needs right now is to be seen as a rich white guy’s gig. Which for all intents and purposes is what it is.
Sigh.
You’re just looking to “win”. I hope you feel that you have. Clearly you need that. Meanwhile aviation itself is losing.No, you’re missing the point. The field, same as every field , has been wide open for them(or anyone) to join. They don’t need a movement or a direct invitation. It’s no ones fault they aren’t in the field other than themselves.
You’re just looking to “win”. I hope you feel that you have. Clearly you need that. Meanwhile aviation itself is losing.
Sigh.
Ha! Not me.
Ha! Not me.
Another one who needs a “W”. Amazing how insecure people can be that they spend their lives trying to score points. I hope you feel like you got a few today.
Sigh.
Ad hominems and hyperbole. What a shocker.You’re just looking for a lame out. Congrats, you aren’t even capable of a discussion. Anything other than total racism or sexism or everyone is evil is unacceptable for you. Pretty weak but exactly what I expected. Later.
Weilke,
Thanks for the update on Zara's progress. That subject has become nearly lost in the forest of gender debate.
Not Amish but I have known 2 Mennonite pilots who each owned their own aircraft.
I also knew of 2 other Mennonite pilots, who were brothers, that died when their plane crashed years ago.