100LL Debacle

I was on the fence about continued AOPA membership, but in the video Braly said AOPA and Mark Baker were in his words "instrumental" in getting them across the finish line. I'm going to dismiss the fact that AOPA was conducting the interview and take him for his word. He seems like a straight shooter.

This issue has been my biggest concern about viability of recreational aviation. So, I will continue to support AOPA based on Mr. Braly's praise.
 
We need a new thread for this, but I expect 100LL to disappear quickly.
 
Walboy said:
I was on the fence about continued AOPA membership, but in the video Braly said AOPA and Mark Baker were in his words "instrumental" in getting them across the finish line. I'm going to dismiss the fact that AOPA was conducting the interview and take him for his word. He seems like a straight shooter.

This issue has been my biggest concern about viability of recreational aviation. So, I will continue to support AOPA based on Mr. Braly's praise.
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George seems a straight shooter and if AOPA was helpful that's great ... but me renewing my membership with them isn't gonna happen.
 
Which oil company/private equity firm makes GAMI an offer they can't refuse? I suspect an exit strategy is the works.
 
Morgan3820 said:
One year, I say before the blue stuff is mostly gone.
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I'm surprised at this (and PaulS's same sentiment but your quote button was closer) -- is this because the refineries stand to benefit from the UL logistically?

Sounds like we all have some STCs to buy?
 
Ok. Risk management question. Where does accountability fall when something goes wrong? Or are we wholly taking on the risk of this new fuel?
 
Walboy said:
Which oil company/private equity firm makes GAMI an offer they can't refuse? I suspect an exit strategy is the works.
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In the AOPA interview GAMI says that production is open to whoever is qualified to produce the feed stocks and blend.
 
Morgan3820 said:
In the AOPA interview GAMI says that production is open to whoever is qualified to produce the feed stocks and blend.
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....subject to GAMI's quality control. I think that's their business model based on snippets of other talks I have heard Braly give. GAMI will collect a royalty or something similar while licensing and monitoring blenders. They (or whoever owns the rights) will collect in perpetuity. It's the genius of the structure.

Very Warren Buffett-esque. Minimal capital outlays.
 
schmookeeg said:
I'm surprised at this (and PaulS's same sentiment but your quote button was closer) -- is this because the refineries stand to benefit from the UL logistically?

Sounds like we all have some STCs to buy?
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For the producers, I see the benefits is a higher margin product without the production headaches of 100LL. Another benefit, if I understand things correctly, will be the ability to blend product at pipeline terminals. No more tanker trucks from Texas to airports.
 
Walboy said:
....subject to GAMI's quality control. I think that's their business model based on snippets of other talks I have heard Braly give. GAMI will collect a royalty or something similar while licensing and monitoring blenders. They (or whoever owns the rights) will collect in perpetuity. It's the genius of the structure.

Very Warren Buffett-esque. Minimal capital outlays.
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I am good with people making money for their efforts. They structured it so there should be actual competion and maybe new producers will decide to enter the market. Eliminates the single point failure of the TEL production. It should be a big benefit to my engine. I will now be able to run synthetic oil, reducing moisture issues among other benefits. I don't see any downsides, yet.
 
schmookeeg said:
I'm surprised at this (and PaulS's same sentiment but your quote button was closer) -- is this because the refineries stand to benefit from the UL logistically?

Sounds like we all have some STCs to buy?
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There is a lot, if not huge pressure being applied by an anti GA cabal that is constantly talking about piston ga aircraft raining lead down on their heads. Their real purpose is to stop ga aircraft flying over their houses. There's an active bunch near me and there is a local school that seems to purposely bust their balls. They do seem to be gaining traction with local pols though. I'm not particularly concerned about 100LL, but it can't be good for you.
 
I'm curious if this is a treatment equivalent to adding chemicals to the truck before delivery, no ethanol of course. Or if it is multi-step process that'd mean scheduling the production at a refinery.
 
masloki said:
I'm curious if this is a treatment equivalent to adding chemicals to the truck before delivery, no ethanol of course. Or if it is multi-step process that'd mean scheduling the production at a refinery.
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Uh, in that scenario, just what would be in the truck prior to adding chemicals?
 
masloki said:
I'm curious if this is a treatment equivalent to adding chemicals to the truck before delivery, no ethanol of course. Or if it is multi-step process that'd mean scheduling the production at a refinery.
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As I understand from something I read awhile ago, it's not a gasoline additive like TEL, it's a blend of different petroleum fractions, so it has to be done at the refinery.
 
Dana said:
As I understand from something I read awhile ago, it's not a gasoline additive like TEL, it's a blend of different petroleum fractions, so it has to be done at the refinery.
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That's what it sounded like from the video...

 
OneCharlieTango said:
Yeah…..absent ATC user fees, BasicMed, G100UL…AOPA hasn’t done a THING for us!
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Yeah…they claim LOTS of credit (as does EAA).

Don’t ever forget the distinction between correlation and causation…
 
What will happen to UL94? Will all of those pumps currently pumping UL94 switch over to G100UL? Will we have a hodgepodge of airports that pump two of 100LL, UL94 and G100UL? Or will everyone converge on one?
 
Unless 94UL is significantly cheaper than 100UL, it will doubtless go away as 100UL doesn't harm low compression engines as 100LL does. I suspect Swift will now devote all their energy to getting their 100R product approved.
 
Morgan3820 said:
One year, I say before the blue stuff is mostly gone.
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I say 10 years…I think it’s going to take more than a year just to get it into production and have enough airports commit to taking it. You have to wait for most to get the STC.
California probably be first.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
I say 10 years…I think it’s going to take more than a year just to get it into production and have enough airports commit to taking it. You have to wait for most to get the STC.
California probably be first.
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The EPA is going to make us all adopt it faster than that.
 
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