Acting as a controller can vary a lot depending on previous experience and complexity of facility. I have never seen it, and I’ve seen a lot, be more than a year. Now becoming an FPL, full performance level, can be long time, like more than 3 years at Centers.
We discussed 121.195 at length. The post you quoted was not about 121.195.
A lot of times they don't use Campbell Approach and utilize the Campbell route structure for recovery into the KHOP. I wouldn't expect to see a lot of Army helo traffic on ADS-B. You're better off monitoring or talking to Tower and/or Approach.
Why is that ? Is it because of some kind of policy ( obviously we are not talking here warzone deployments) or just never got around installing ADS-B on their helos ?
LMAO! This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of two topics. What we call AI today is more A than I. They're built on LLM and would be terrible for any type of creative role requiring dynamic, outside-the-box thinking like ATC has to do often.
Really ?
I agree with pretty much everything you said. Except for applying it to ATC. I'll let them speak for themselves, but I don't imagine much of even the "mundane" things they do other than maybe issuing IFR clearances are always the same. Between weather, stupid pilot tricks, dynamic traffic levels, etc. I can't imagine any AI tech we currently have handling that very well unless we move to a point where there's no part 91 traffic and everything is HEAVILY metered.
I live near KLEX in Lexington Ky. I'm acquainted with one of the controllers there. After the take-off accident several years ago leading to a fatal crash of an airliner, I saw firsthand the devastating effects such an accident has on the ATC community. Our church actually implemented a 2+ years free counseling program for any who wanted it, and many availed themselves of it. But obviously for some people, that kind of heartbreak is the end of their career in ATC. these folks not only need to be smart, resourceful, and cool under fire, they also need the emotional reserves and support in dealing with potential tragedy that might meet them on any given day at work.
I will say that Operations Security (OPSEC) plays large part of it. Some might argue the legality or necessity of it, but those decisions are made far above our level. Some of these assets are highly specialized as are the precious cargo they carry, and it has been determined that they should not be able to be tracked.
Yeah, certainly there is no acute shortage of 70+ year olds VIPs waiting in the wings ready to assume the incredible burden of being a public servant in case something happens to the current one …
Agree. There is no reason to go dark. The Senators/etc just don't want us to know that the PATs are a taxi ride for them. Training......lol.
Do you want our enemies choosing who serves us?
PATCO replacements are all long gone. ATC is forced retirement at age 56. It is a cognitively heavy job.
I think they have, since additional facts have come out, but they didn't put video up.
"AI" as we know it today is pretty much just for written words and images, and it doesn't "know" anything. It merely strings together words that have the highest probability of occurring after one another.
I'm sorry, but if Air Force One with POTUS aboard can squawk ADS-B, so can a random helicopter on a training flight.
Do you think they're not already heavily influencing our elections?
You are not off here. There are certain abilities that are required. Can you evaluate things in motion. Can you see where things are ‘now’ and mentally picture where the will be a minute from now. Can it be taught? Only if the ability already exists.
Not active but I can weigh in. There was the ‘train to succeed program’ that came about in the era after the strike. Congress was upset about the ‘failure rate’ of new hires reaching certification. The ‘wash out’ rate was to high. Ergo, train them until they can. So numerous days, weeks, months and years, yes years, were spent on persons who didn’t have the inborn skills to separate two flys with a screen door, much less the cheeks of their azz with a crow bar.
I believe they have run risk analysis and find it acceptable risk to run in the blind.
Uh, no. One of the biggest challenges .AF had with ADS-B was cost effectively retrofitting it to specialized platforms with custom FMS code. Simply plugging a box into the 1553 databus doesn’t always work.
This. It took a long time to get the box to play nice with the integrated Avionics System. It's still kinda finicky.
This is true of the major LLM packages, but not the MoE AI software. There is a big difference between the AI you see on Google and the AI being used in industry.
Except for the vendor.
We are in early stages of AI … 30 years ago it took months and computing render farms worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to generate the original Jurassic Park dinos - these days a kid with a $300 graphic card and an open source program can work the magic in an afternoon …
Last I checked radios also don’t run so well without power. What’s the human ATC without power gonna do, yell really loud?
That works if you're in a tower I guess. Of course, if the tower goes dark then you could just revert to pilot control. Light gun signals probably don't work well in the en route or terminal environment.Light signals
You can get into all kinds of philosophical discussions about this kind of stuff and I rather enjoy that... But there is a 10,000 word per post limit on PoA and that's a lot of typing. It'd also only scratch the surface, and it's much more fun in person over a beverage.
I had an interesting discussion with my brother about pilots vs technology (he works for a company that is BIG in the AI space) and I said something about how pilots can use their knowledge to come up with creative solutions to any given problem. He came back with "Well, we can just run 10,000 different simulations per second and choose the one with the best probably of a successful outcome." When you have that level of brute force, creativity isn't as big a deal any more.
Computers will never overcome human intelligence. As proof I offer you this from Captain James T Kirk:
The OG Terminator.
Not at all. They and the aircraft will simply follow the existing guidance for just such an occurance as in past events.
And that’s different for when an AI ATC goes out how?
