Where do you get kit planes?

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I think it would be pretty neat to build a plane some day. Where can you find good kit planes or where is a reputable source for these? What's a good brand? Where do you start if you are interested in this?
Thank you kindly!
 
I think it would be pretty neat to build a plane some day. Where can you find good kit planes or where is a reputable source for these? What's a good brand? Where do you start if you are interested in this?
Thank you kindly!
It's no different than buying any other airplane. First you need to define your mission. How many passengers (and weight), how much baggage, how far, what's the purpose of the flights, etc.

Without that information there's no way to even begin to answer your question.
 
Look to see what is available used on barnstormers.com - that will give you an idea about what is out there and how values hold up.

Lots of brands out there - start with one that seems to be the what you want to build then research the company. There are way too many options to just list them. Though if you had not said "kit" I would have said T-18 or Tailwind. :-)
 
I think it would be pretty neat to build a plane some day. Where can you find good kit planes or where is a reputable source for these? What's a good brand? Where do you start if you are interested in this?
Thank you kindly!
There is a ton of online content on homebuilt aircraft. Kitplanes magazine is a good source. Also, join EAA, that'll give you access to all of their online content, including about 50 years of Sport Aviation magazine, which is the gold standard in that aviation niche.
 
It's no different than buying any other airplane. First you need to define your mission. How many passengers (and weight), how much baggage, how far, what's the purpose of the flights, etc.

Without that information there's no way to even begin to answer your question.
So my main goal is to be able to see my daighter in Alabama and bring her back to Midwest. This about a 1300 mile car ride (800 nautical). Is this too far for a kit?
 
Look to see what is available used on barnstormers.com - that will give you an idea about what is out there and how values hold up.

Lots of brands out there - start with one that seems to be the what you want to build then research the company. There are way too many options to just list them. Though if you had not said "kit" I would have said T-18 or Tailwind. :-)
Not too sure I care about value holding vs. It holding up haha
 
There is a ton of online content on homebuilt aircraft. Kitplanes magazine is a good source. Also, join EAA, that'll give you access to all of their online content, including about 50 years of Sport Aviation magazine, which is the gold standard in that aviation niche.
Nice! Thank you for that
 
Lots of material available from the EAA about getting started. I'd recommend downloading the Aircraft Building Sourcebook and watching the webinar "So you want to build an airplane" done by Charlie Becker, both at the EAA website.
 
Nobody has said Oshkosh yet. Every year at the end of Junly, the Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) hosts a week long airshow in Oshkosh Wisconsin. Take vacation, go up there and camp for 3-4 days and focus just on the kit manufacturers. Almost everyone is there, you can frequently talk to the kit designers and get their take on why their kit is the best.

Alternate is Fun-n-Sun April 1-6 in Lakeland, FL. The show isn't as big but almost everyone will still be there.

Bonus, the evenings can be a big party.
 
So my main goal is to be able to see my daighter in Alabama and bring her back to Midwest. This about a 1300 mile car ride (800 nautical). Is this too far for a kit?
People have flown homebuilt airplanes around the world.

While some kit planes aren't suitable for regular 800 mile trips, many are. The same is true of factory built airplanes. It's more about whether it's too far for the pilot and his level of experience, and how the plane is equipped (which is up to the builder or owner).
 
So my main goal is to be able to see my daighter in Alabama and bring her back to Midwest. This about a 1300 mile car ride (800 nautical). Is this too far for a kit?
So as Dana stated, E-AB aircraft are just as capable as their standard certificated counterparts. You’ve partially defined your mission so now you need to look for an aircraft that meets those parameters which appears to be a cross-country cruiser. I would suggest further refinements with regard to speed, range, and payload. That said building a kit E-AB might not be the best solution as building adds layers of dedication, cost and time. Buying a nice used aircraft, be it E-AB or standard certificated, might be a better option to meet your stated goals.
 
Gulliow's, Comet, Dumas, just enlarge the plans. ;)
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Be forewarned, the price tag on huge pieces of balsa is equally huge.
 
Most hobby shops carry a wide selection of plane kits.
 
1) Subscribe to KitPlanes Magazine
2) Join your local EAA chapter and get yourself invited to see airplanes being built AND some already flying of the type that interests you.
3) Volunteer to help someone or take an EAA builder class.

Do all these things then decide for yourself what to build. Don't trust advice from the internet, especially aviation forums.
 
The most popular kits are the Van's RV series. https://www.vansaircraft.com/

If you start one and decide you want to switch to something else, there will be buyers from what I have heard. If you finish it there will be many more buyers.
 
Go to Oshkosh - most of the kit sellers will be there. Look at the planes, sit in them, talk to the reps, sit in on the builder's seminars and then go home and really research the ones that caught your fancy. I chose to build a Zenith, partly because it's construction allowed me to build without a helper (pulled rivets.)
 
So my main goal is to be able to see my daighter in Alabama and bring her back to Midwest. This about a 1300 mile car ride (800 nautical). Is this too far for a kit?
We fly from mid Michigan to Shreveport Louisiana a couple times a year. It is about the same distance. We stop a couple times along the way to walk around, stretch, and take a leak. It is door to door faster than commercial and more fun for sure. You have to be ready for delays for weather. Last trim it took me 3 days to get home but all it did was add to the adventure!
 
We fly from mid Michigan to Shreveport Louisiana a couple times a year. It is about the same distance. We stop a couple times along the way to walk around, stretch, and take a leak. It is door to door faster than commercial and more fun for sure. You have to be ready for delays for weather. Last trim it took me 3 days to get home but all it did was add to the adventure!
Some of the most fun experiences I've had flying have been things that happened after all my plans went out the window and I had to wing it and make up a new plan on the fly.
 
Some of the most fun experiences I've had flying have been things that happened after all my plans went out the window and I had to wing it and make up a new plan on the fly.
I was traveling with my granddaughter so I wasnt taking any chances. The first day on the trip home we made it to 1.2 hours from home. It was raining between us and home so we spent the night. The next day we hung around the airport for about 3 hours then found an opening. We made it to 15 min from the airport but I was not comfortable flying through the rain the last little bit so we backtracked to a town 40 min flight from home for another night. The next morning we finally made it. We had a good time going out to eat and swimming in the hotel pools. Worth every minute to have a couple more days with my granddaughter.
 
"With time to spare, go by air" - an instrument rating opens up some possibilities but who wants to fly hours of hard IFR in a light, single engine aircraft? If you can climb thru an overcast and make your trip on top in the sunlight it's great! Being able to see only as far as your wingtips and worrying about embedded thunderstorms or icing is not. On long trips you must be prepared to have to stand down for a day or two.... If not, fly commercial.
 
Are you currently a pilot? What have you flown so far?
 
"With time to spare, go by air" - an instrument rating opens up some possibilities but who wants to fly hours of hard IFR in a light, single engine aircraft? If you can climb thru an overcast and make your trip on top in the sunlight it's great! Being able to see only as far as your wingtips and worrying about embedded thunderstorms or icing is not. On long trips you must be prepared to have to stand down for a day or two.... If not, fly commercial.
True, but being able to file provides options that aren’t available to a non-rated pilot. Also he hasn’t stated a preference for any particular make/model although his stated mission points to a x/c cruiser that’s moderately fast. If he goes the RV route for example, most of which are more than capable of “comfortably” handling his stated mission, a long x/c in IMC isn’t a showstopper nor particularly uncomfortable especially if appropriately equipped. I fly a few long x/c’s (1000nm+) a year, all IFR, and I can say that typically less than 10% of the total time is spent in IMC. As a bonus being rated often affords a better understanding of the weather and airspace that a VFR only pilot might not appreciate which contributes to ADM for a given trip.
 
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Start with reviewing the FAA’s list of approved 51% kits. Even at that, you need to have aircraft knowledge or somebody that has some to help you. Building a kit isn’t like assembling a model airplane. You’ll need to fabricate or invent plenty of parts.
 
Auburntsts-also true. I have nothing against the desire to get an IFR rating --- indeed, I'm a CFII. On numerous flights of the kind you describe I have appreciated the utility the rating provided but probably had to use it less than you have. My journeys have taken me to areas of the continent where low-altitude IFR was not practical or even possible. Instrument flying today is not quite the challenge it was when I first began... GPS and the avionics available today are a far cry from the era of VOR's NDB's and the need to maintain a "picture" in your head rather than simply view the little plane icon on a screen. Something that hasn't changed is the need for the pilot to make sound "go, no go" decisions which sadly does not always occur. Getting back to the original reason for this post - yes, there are certainly some excellent, high performance homebuilts on the market that would suit his needs as long as he understands there will still be days when, IFR capable or not, flight is not recommended.
 
IMO having an Instrument rating can also be beneficial in making those long trips. It’s not a panacea but it will give you options and make the more practical.
You can add these features to Home built planes? Still really new and I have only seen one plane that didn't have instruments and one that did and it was much bigger of a plane. Just didn't know if you have to have a bunch of certificates to be able to even add that. Professional/certified have to install and/or certify yearly?
 
I highly suggest getting your license first and then consider what kind of kitplane you want to build or buy. You won't have a clue of what you want or what you are capable of flying otherwuse.
 
You can add these features to Home built planes? Still really new and I have only seen one plane that didn't have instruments and one that did and it was much bigger of a plane. Just didn't know if you have to have a bunch of certificates to be able to even add that. Professional/certified have to install and/or certify yearly?
So lots to unpack here so I’ll make it simple. The short answer is yes. The aircraft’s OPLIMS (which are part of the Airworthiness Certificate) have to state the IFR flight is authorized if properly equipped IAW 91.205. Then of course you have to equip it IAW said paragraph plus have the avionics required for the route to be flown which are the same requirements for any standard certificated aircraft. Finally you have to have the 91.411/413 inspections done every 24-months as well.

For E-AB aircraft professional installation is not required. The 24-month 411/413 inspections are typically done by an avionics shop.

Now a question for you— what’s your aviation background and/or experience?
 
So lots to unpack here so I’ll make it simple. The short answer is yes. The aircraft’s OPLIMS (which are part of the Airworthiness Certificate) have to state the IFR flight is authorized if properly equipped IAW 91.205. Then of course you have to equip it IAW said paragraph plus have the avionics required for the route to be flown which are the same requirements for any standard certificated aircraft. Finally you have to have the 91.411/413 inspections done every 24-months as well.

For E-AB aircraft professional installation is not required. The 24-month 411/413 inspections are typically done by an avionics shop.

Now a question for you— what’s your aviation background and/or experience?
Been wanting to fly since I was little, had a neighbor that had a crop duster and always flew around and took off next door to us, we lived in a little ghetto neighborhood outside of city limits that was surrounded by wheat and milo fields. Bunch of trailer houses. Getting medical examiner on the 25th and will probably need some sort of evaluations and what not because of my past. But very mechanically inclined and have been lead of maintenance for many industries from auto, grain elevators, facilities and produ tion machinery. I want to get my 3rd then bounce to BM to be a CFI locally to pay for my 1970s cessna 4 seater once I find one!
 
Regarding the third class medical. Consider getting a pre-exam from your family doctor. If you fail a 3rd class, you are ineligible for Basic Med or flying as a Sport pilot with your driver's license. We have a fellow at our airport (who owns a C172) who showed up for his medical thinking he was fine only to be disqualified due to a previously undetected heart rhythm disorder. Now he's working thru the bureaucracy to try to get his medical back. He's in his 70's so they're throwing a lot of roadblocks in his way.
 
Assuming your daughter is in college in Alabama, by the time you finish building a plane, she may not be there anymore
 
Ok, kinda figured that might be the case as this thread grew based upon your questions and comments. You’ve got a steep learning curve ahead. Most I think, or at the very least me, initially were under the impression you were already a pilot. No issues with that but it does change the complexion of the discussion. Although there have been non-pilots who have built kits and gone on to get there Private or Sports Pilot Certificate after, it’s very much the exception and not the rule. By all means learn all you can and continue to ask questions but I’d recommend focusing on earning that first certificate and not on some flavor of aircraft ownership down the road. That can wait until you have some hours under belt and have a fuller appreciation of the requirements for both pilot and aircraft to routinely accomplish your mission.

Also IMO you’ve made a good first step on deciding to pursue your medical before dropping a lot of coin into training.
 
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Ok, kinda figured that might be the case as this thread grew based upon your questions and comments. You’ve got a steep learning curve ahead. Most I think, or at the very least me, initially were under the impression you were already a pilot. No issues with that but it does change the complexion of the discussion. Although there have been non-pilots who have built kits and gone on to get there Private or Sports Pilot Certificate after, it’s very much the exception and not the rule. By all means learn all you can and continue to ask questions but I’d recommend focusing on earning that first certificate and not on some flavor of aircraft ownership down the road. That can wait until you have some hours under belt and have a fuller appreciation of the requirements for both pilot and aircraft to routinely accomplish your mission.

Also IMO you’ve made a good first step on deciding to pursue your medical before dropping a lot of coin into training.
Yup that's why it's scheduled. It's not any medical issues it's past convictions issues. But yeah I think I'm beyond capable of building a plane.. I have machined engines, disassembled major industrial equipment, as well as fabricatored specialized equipment to work within grain elevators. We would engineer it and then welding it, make it and then take it apart and install it. The elevators, using very limited tools as... well grain elevators explode if you do **** wrong. Built several custom motorcycles and custom cars. Welding frames and machining engines for racing purposes... I think airplanes would be pretty simple, especially a kit. Thanks for everyone's insight!
 
Based on your background building a kit is probably not beyond your ability. You’re, IMO , simply putting the cart before the horse a little bit. Building is an endeavor not to be taken lightly as the commitment both in time and money can be significant and quite frequently leaves very little free time beyond the project—and it usually takes years for all but the simplest makes/models. I say this not to discourage you, just to help you prioritize your focus of your aviation journey.
 
I was right. College kids ARE much younger nowadays.


With a welding / fabrication background, you may feel more comfortable with a fabric covered tube structure such as a Wittman Tailwind ( https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pdf/WITTMAN W-10 TAILWIND.pdf ) vs. something composite or aluminum (lots of rivet banging). But the rag and tube designs tend to be less kittish and more build from plansish. You can buy tubing / materials kits but it won't have as many pre-cut parts as say an RV-Somenumber. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/building_materials/bm/menus/kits/index.html
 
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