“Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component.
Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered “substantial damage” for the purpose of this part.”
Yeah, I know you thought that meant the answer is yes. But wait, there's more...
Going if the runway on landing sounds like part of a flight to me.ground damage to rotor or propeller blades
The prop hitting the ground isn't ground damage? lolGoing if the runway on landing sounds like part of a flight to me.
The prop damage is expressly excluded from the definition of "substantial damage."That's the part that's making me question it.
Plus, in this case the prop is damaged as well.
It says "ground damage". I interpret that as a car driving into the prop, not the engine smashing it into the ground.
Pilot lost control, departed the runway, and put a nice curl on the prop blades in the process.
Does that make it a reportable accident due to substantial damage, per 830.2? My opinion is yes.
Substantial damage means damage or failure which adversely affects the structural strength, performance, or flight characteristics of the aircraft, and which would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component. Engine failure or damage limited to an engine if only one engine fails or is damaged, bent fairings or cowling, dented skin, small punctured holes in the skin or fabric, ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered “substantial damage” for the purpose of this part.
By who?Interesting.
Interesting. My runway excursion resulted in a dented cowling, bent prop, and a sheared off transponder antenna, and was written up as substantial damage.
The guy I talked to at the FSDO, I suppose.By who?
But if you haven’t called…..The guy I talked to at the FSDO, I suppose.
It doesn't say anything about cars though. So on what basis are you adding requirements that aren't in the regulation?It says "ground damage". I interpret that as a car driving into the prop, not the engine smashing it into the ground.
Why?It says "ground damage". I interpret that as a car driving into the prop, not the engine smashing it into the ground.
i would interpret that as any time it’s not part of a flight…taxiing to the gas pump, or from the hangar to the maintenance facility would qualify as ground damage.It says "ground damage". I interpret that as a car driving into the prop, not the engine smashing it into the ground.
Under that definition it is. So are "damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips," but they are excepted in the regulation along with ground damage to props.Well, "put a nice curl on the prop blades" & the effect that would have on the "flight characteristics of the aircraft" seem to indicate it is. But then again, it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is ...![]()
Do you make right turns at a red light after stopping? If yes, how come?
It's the reason many gear-ups don't get reported unless someone reports it because of the closed runway.In Carolina we don't stop for red lights.
Seriously, I don't know the answer for the OP. To the point that @Dana made above, I've known of a few planes that were returned to the hangar before the word got out ...
You also seem to be adding limitations that don't appear in the regulation.i would interpret that as any time it’s not part of a flight…taxiing to the gas pump, or from the hangar to the maintenance facility would qualify as ground damage.
I've noticed.In Carolina we don't stop for red lights.![]()
It's the conspiracy theory passed on by the FAA-Anon movement. All regulations must have hidden meanings.You also seem to be adding limitations that don't appear in the regulation.
Such as?You also seem to be adding limitations that don't appear in the regulation.
Any requirement other than "ground damage," including your theory that it must be time that's not part of a flight.Such as?
So you’re saying that angering in from a stall/spin is “ground damage?”Any requirement other than "ground damage," including your theory that it must be time that's not part of a flight.
I get your argument, but you're not going to limit the damage to those items in the exception list if that happens. probably not going to pass the injury or property damage portions either.So you’re saying that angering in from a stall/spin is “ground damage?”
If that’s the only damage. Will it be?So you’re saying that angering in from a stall/spin is “ground damage?”
Sure, why not. But good luck augering in from a stall/spin and only damaging the prop.So you’re saying that angering in from a stall/spin is “ground damage?”
Your interpretation is wrong.It says "ground damage". I interpret that as a car driving into the prop, not the engine smashing it into the ground.
[citation needed]Your interpretation is wrong.
So are you saying a prop strike with the pavement is not ground damage?[citation needed]
“Ground damage, as the term is used today, may not include damage caused by normal forces applied to the aircraft either during flight or while under its own power during taxi. Flat tires, tire damage occurring during taxi, damage caused by inclement weather, or damage caused by wildlife, whether during flight or stationary”
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I would say no, it would be considered “flight damage,” but NTSB 830 doesn’t use that term.If that’s the only damage. Will it be?
Mine was “ground only-not in motion,” IIRC.You can get hull insurance for storage and ground operations,