X-37B Space Plane

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Some amateur sky-watchers spotted it in orbit.

Video: http://www.space.com/common/media/video/player.php?videoRef=SP_100522_X37

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/20...tchers-spot-secret-X-37B-space-plane-in-orbit

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It's an unmanned space vehicle, controlled from the ground. Think Predator on orbital steroids. Based on the runway numbers and stripes, anybody want to hazard a guess on it's length and wingspan?
 
It's got to be an anti-satellite orbiter.

Hmmmm.... Do we need one? Satellites are pretty easy to hit, they don't really have much in the way of evasive ability. Wouldn't a simple ground based missile be simpler and cheaper?
 
There can be no such thing as "anti-satellite orbiter". Maybe just "anti-very-low-and-useless-satellite orbiter". If that.

Still, I do observe that X-37 attracts crackpot theories in an unusual degree. I think it's the secrecy. Moreover, I think that the secrecy is because the bird has no mission, but AF is ashamed to admit that the only reason X-37 exists is that they really, really want a spaceplane.

BTW, check out these videos of the approach and landing model (it's the full-scale one, not the X-40):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vDiGHCx90I

Don't know if it makes pilots obsolete, but definitely lands better than I do.
 
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Maybe it's like Moonraker, and it'll creep up to a satellite and pull it into the bay. Kinda like a snatch-and-run....
 
Pete, by that do you mean they cannot for some reason launch a vehicle which is capable of knocking out other orbiting vehicles?
It can, but won't be doing it well enough to be useful. The main reason is the enormous energy cost of any change in the orbital inclination in lower orbits, which is about the same as sending something into a high orbit. So you basically cannot pre-position the orbiter, you must launch it into the target's orbit. Of course you can aim for a collision from the outside of the oribital plane but as the shutfown of USA 193 demonstrates, launching an orbiter to do it is immensely stupid. Firstly, it's way more expensive than a missile warhead, and secondly its performance is very much inadequate due to weight penalty of wings etc. We had a spare SM-3 missile to shoot the 193, but we don't have a spare Atlas-V to loft X-37 or its follow-up.

Now what an orbiter could do is snatch something instead of knocking it (if you plan it 2 years ahead due to launch availability). Sadly X-37 a) is too small to snatch anything bigger than an ORBCOMM sat, b) cannot reach even GPS orbit let alone GSO, c) even if it could, would not be able to return without an upgrade to its heat shield. A more advanced spaceplane is enough of a possibility that my college friends are pondering allocating a kilo of mass for a barometric sensor and a plastite charge for sensitive birds.

What it comes down to, X-37 is a program without a sensible objective. This is why people on the Internet are trying to find explanations. I thought about it too for a bit. For example, it may be the frustration with the synthetic aperture on micro-satellites and the whole ORS thing (Operationally Responsible Space). Its proponents promised that they'll stockpile these little things, launch them on demand of the warfighter. It turned out to be a bad idea, little sats can't do the job of big ones. Maybe someone thought, very well, we'll launch the big one, then we'll return it... launch again to a different orbit (remember the orbital inclination thing I mentioned). This way it can be big and expensive yet responsive (provided we stockpile launchers too). It is possible... But you know how between stupidity and malice you should bet on stupidity? The explanation that USAF just wanted a spaceplace seems simpler and more direct to me.

-- Pete
 
I didn't know they had White Knight do double duty. Contracts with the Air Force probably help fund their other work. :cheerswine:
I was wondering what's up with that. NASA Dryden at Edwards retired the "008" carrier in 2004. I don't remember when they returned the B-52H, perhaps right after the X-37 was cancelled at NASA. Maybe by 2006 there was no other option but fly X-37B approach tests from WK. But I don't know what the story is precisely.

I think that by 2006 all hands were on the Tier 2 project (WK2/SS2). They hardly needed any extra money. But on the other hand, Northrop bought them next year. Weird.

-- Pete
 
But you know how between stupidity and malice you should bet on stupidity? The explanation that USAF just wanted a spaceplace seems simpler and more direct to me.

-- Pete

No. Really? The AF would do something like that????
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Sadly, I'm willing to bet you're right. And I'm not a betting man.
 
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