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I'm in the market to buy an IFR Archer. I will go up to $60K for the right Archer. Let me know if you or anyone you know is looking to sell...

Best,

mkb
 
Do you have some basic needs in said Archer? GPS, working AP, speed mods.....?
 
bisctboy said:
I'm in the market to buy an IFR Archer. I will go up to $60K for the right Archer. Let me know if you or anyone you know is looking to sell...

Best,

mkb
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What! You don't want an Archer! James will be by shortly to straighten you out.
 
This often comes down to performance over cosmetic premiums. You can get more performance for 60K than an Archer. Cost of maintenance for gear and a propeller hub are generally overstated for this class of airplane. But sure, you could probably get a real sweet clean cherry Archer for 60K. Still goes 115KTAS and climbs like a pig when gross. Look at stretched cabin 235s and arrows for that money, and give up cosmetics. Good luck.
 
hindsight2020 said:
This often comes down to performance over cosmetic premiums. You can get more performance for 60K than an Archer. Cost of maintenance for gear and a propeller hub are generally overstated for this class of airplane. But sure, you could probably get a real sweet clean cherry Archer for 60K. Still goes 115KTAS and climbs like a pig when gross. Look at stretched cabin 235s and arrows for that money, and give up cosmetics. Good luck.
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If I were to do it again, a Dakota would be my choice. But your dead wrong on specs for an Archer. Cruised at 130kts, 10.5ft, 10.5 gph. Full fuel, hot summer day in the south, climb about 700-750. In winter, I'd get 1100 fpm.

OA the Archer is a great plane, annuals were $1200 no squawks, parts are easy and not expensive. Flew great. Can haul 4 real people. Cheap, reliable aero-trans and a great bang for the buck.
 
Unit74 said:
If I were to do it again, a Dakota would be my choice. But your dead wrong on specs for an Archer. Cruised at 130kts, 10.5ft, 10.5 gph. Full fuel, hot summer day in the south, climb about 700-750. In winter, I'd get 1100 fpm.

OA the Archer is a great plane, annuals were $1200 no squawks, parts are easy and not expensive. Flew great. Can haul 4 real people. Cheap, reliable aero-trans and a great bang for the buck.
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Nope, not dead wrong.We just agree to disagree. I got more time in PA-28-181 than I care to reminisce on, and they ain't 130knot birds, not even close. 120 on a good day. Nobody runs that engine full flog all the time that's not a rental anyways. At 180hp, 10.5gph is ****ing fuel into the engine unburned at 10k. At that altitude and that engine you should be running no more than 9gph, the rest is chem trail behind you. You're fully flogged out and barely cracking 68-70% power at that altitude anyways, on a fixed pitch prop no less. As to climb rate, it's just 180hp and the airframe is the same ol PA-28 as any other. I've had 3 up in the middle of summer and that thing did no better than 500fpm, same as my old warrior with 2 up and full fuel.

But whatever, no dog in the fight. I just think there's more bang for the buck at that price range. Updated pants stretch 235, or arrow. Dakotas are overpriced.
 
500 fpm? Apply a bit more pressure with the right foot...
 
hindsight2020 said:
Nope, not dead wrong.We just agree to disagree. I got more time in PA-28-181 than I care to reminisce on, and they ain't 130knot birds, not even close. 120 on a good day. Nobody runs that engine full flog all the time that's not a rental anyways. At 180hp, 10.5gph is ****ing fuel into the engine unburned at 10k. At that altitude and that engine you should be running no more than 9gph, the rest is chem trail behind you. You're fully flogged out and barely cracking 68-70% power at that altitude anyways, on a fixed pitch prop no less. As to climb rate, it's just 180hp and the airframe is the same ol PA-28 as any other. I've had 3 up in the middle of summer and that thing did no better than 500fpm, same as my old warrior with 2 up and full fuel.

But whatever, no dog in the fight. I just think there's more bang for the buck at that price range. Updated pants stretch 235, or arrow. Dakotas are overpriced.
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You are so full of **** it's staggering. Effing clueless......like you said. You have no dog in the fight.
 
Unit74 said:
You are so full of **** it's staggering. Effing clueless......like you said. You have no dog in the fight.
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"Well, that escalated quickly."

FWIW, my experience is far more consistent with Hindsight2020's than yours, but whatever. And ya 10.5gph and 10k feet, makes no sense to me either.
 
Running WOT, leaned up 100 ROPish. Correct. This is a 180 horse o360, 500 smoh.

I put 200 hours on my Archer the last two years. I know what it will run, prouduce and climb. Sold it to buy my Lance so I have have no reason to embellish.

You guys are talking Warrior numbers, def not Archers.
 
Well alrighty then...now that I've opened up a can of worms, let me answer some of the questions/comments asked of me.

Unit74 said:
Do you have some basic needs in said Archer? GPS, working AP, speed mods.....?
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Other than IFR rated I don't have any real "needs". This being said, if I spend at the top end of my range I do expect a few more bells and whistles like GPS, AP, updated avionics, etc.

hindsight2020 said:
...Look at stretched cabin 235s and arrows for that money, and give up cosmetics. Good luck.
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Good advice!...However, one of the reasons I'm looking at an IFR Archer is so that my 18 year son can use it to get his PPL in it as well as provide me with my IFR rating. Obviously he then could get his IFR rating later in it. I plan on putting on a few hundred hours on the Archer between my son and I and then trade up.

The high end of my $60K budget is for that "I can't believe this plane is for sale at $60K" kind of opporunity...

Best,

mkb
 
Fwiw I have seen 127kts on a GPS triangle in a '81 Archer with gap seals. Not sure what it burned, wide open and leaned until rough.

60k should buy a nice one with a decent GPS. Also easy to sell when the day to upgrade comes around.
 
weilke said:
Fwiw I have seen 127kts on a GPS triangle in a '81 Archer with gap seals. Not sure what it burned, wide open and leaned until rough.

60k should buy a nice one with a decent GPS. Also easy to sell when the day to upgrade comes around.
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Try the full K2U kit and also suggest a donnaldson paper filter over the foam. You'll be right there.
 
OP - Get an Arrow. Your son can do his primary training in an Arrow. You can get your IFR in an Arrow. You can also work toward your commercial in (you guessed it) an Arrow.

And in my OPINION, you'll take a bit longer to outgrow and Arrow than an Archer.

Almost forgot, when looking at Arrows.. 200HP minimum, Turbo preferred.
 
Look into a Cherokee 180. Virtually the same airplane and you might find one cheaper than some of the Archers.
 
gov98 said:
"Well, that escalated quickly."

FWIW, my experience is far more consistent with Hindsight2020's than yours, but whatever. And ya 10.5gph and 10k feet, makes no sense to me either.
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Yeah, the verbal berating and ad hominem is one of the unfortunate opportunity costs of contributing on POA.
 
rolivi said:
OP - Get an Arrow. Your son can do his primary training in an Arrow. You can get your IFR in an Arrow. You can also work toward your commercial in (you guessed it) an Arrow.

And in my OPINION, you'll take a bit longer to outgrow and Arrow than an Archer.

Almost forgot, when looking at Arrows.. 200HP minimum, Turbo preferred.
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Hmmmm...very interesting! I just looked on Trade-A-Plane and I can get a well equipped Arrow for $60K. The truth be known, my son is interested in becoming a commercial pilot and my brother (UAL Airbus Captain) told him the best way to go to the majors was to get his college degree while getting all his certificates (PPL, IFR, Commercial, etc...) while attending college. The Arrow seems to be a better platform for this.
 
an arrow is not a high performance plane. only complex. if that is the route, I'd look at something different.




bisctboy said:
Hmmmm...very interesting! I just looked on Trade-A-Plane and I can get a well equipped Arrow for $60K. The truth be known, my son is interested in becoming a commercial pilot and my brother (UAL Airbus Captain) told him the best way to go to the majors was to get his college degree while getting all his certificates (PPL, IFR, Commercial, etc...) while attending college. The Arrow seems to be a better platform for this.
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Unit74 said:
an arrow is not a high performance plane. only complex. if that is the route, I'd look at something different.
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Commercial requires 10hrs of complex. There is no High Performance requirement.
 
When you buy an Archer, you are paying for the general pilot population's comfort with them. There are faster, more capable planes out there that really don't cost much more to maintain. But like 172s, Archers carry a premium due to so many training in them (or in Cherokees in general).

That makes them easier to sell usually. But, you may be able to get more plane for your money other places.

Just make sure you aren't going to outgrow it too quickly. I ended up in a 182 and I'm really glad to have the extra power, room, and speed despite having almost all my previous hours in Cherokees.
 
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