Willys CJ3A firetruck

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I posted this photo this morning in the picture thread:

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And then this afternoon the following article popped up from the local newspaper:

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Thought it was a cool little bit of history. Imagine rolling up to an aircraft fire in that thing...
 
Imagine rolling up to an aircraft fire in that thing...
About the only thing it would've been good for (besides looking cool) is to confirm that it's on fire.
 
Very nice. Thanks for sharing.

While "Willy" is a predictable name for the vehicle, the correct pronunciation of the brand's name has been lost to history. It's actually "Willis," with a short "i", not the long "e."

WWII, the Korean War, and generations of service members changed it.
 
In the general aviation world,. 350 pounds of firefighting agent is a lot. A skilled firefighter is a big factor, but my first adventure with a 100 pounder on wheels was a success on an oil fire. Gasoline is much tougher, but technique is the deciding factor.

An engulfed fuselage from a burst fuel tank, that can be enough to get the people out before backing away and watching it burn.

The fire school at Maryland University did some fine, real fire training, until the EPA shut the smoke down from burning oil and gasoline.
 
Very nice. Thanks for sharing.

While "Willy" is a predictable name for the vehicle, the correct pronunciation of the brand's name has been lost to history. It's actually "Willis," with a short "i", not the long "e."
My dad's name was "Willys," pronounced exactly like you describe.

However, his nickname WAS "Willie....."

Had a '46 CJ-2A, then a 51 CJ-3A, when I was in high school and college. Used it with the CAP.
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Pretty sad snow tires, that kind teaches you the true requirements for successful driving in all kinds of snow and ice.

I would have loved to have such a set of wheels when I was in High School, our budget was a bicycle. When it snowed, I still rode the bike to my paper route, but walked the deliveries.
 
About the only thing it would've been good for (besides looking cool) is to confirm that it's on fire.

To maintain index A, all you need is one truck with 500lb of a sodium based dry agent. Even for index B, if you have two vehicles one of them can be this type of 'self propelled fire extinguisher'. So 350 isn't that far off from what is still in use in things like rapid intervention vehicles.
 
To maintain index A, all you need is one truck with 500lb of a sodium based dry agent. Even for index B, if you have two vehicles one of them can be this type of 'self propelled fire extinguisher'. So 350 isn't that far off from what is still in use in things like rapid intervention vehicles.
Hmmm...CMI is index B according to the chart supplement. They ought to hook a 150lb extinguisher on the back of Willy and save the million dollars they have budgeted for their next Oshkosh truck :biggrin:

I do wonder if they keep the extinguisher charged. I'd assume not, but I'll have to ask next time I run into one of them.
 
My dad's name was "Willys," pronounced exactly like you describe.

However, his nickname WAS "Willie....."

Had a '46 CJ-3A, then a 51 CJ-3A, when I was in high school and college. Used it with the CAP.
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My seventh grade chemistry teacher, Harry Herder, drove a Korean War era jeep that was painted a dull yellow. He served in WWII as an infantryman, and participated in the liberation of Buchenwald, a Nazi death camp. He later wrote about it.

In the Korean War, Herder was a medic, and lost his left leg below the knee to a mine. He gave me a ride home from school occasionally, and because his prosthetic wasn't suited to driving, he would remove it and toss it in the back of the jeep. He used his right foot on the clutch and the dash mounted throttle cable to start from a stop, and then alternated the foot from the clutch to the gas pedal to shift when underway.

Herder was gruff and unpolished, but a great teacher. This thread brought back 55 year old memories.
 
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Pretty sad snow tires, that kind teaches you the true requirements for successful driving in all kinds of snow and ice.
Especially in North Dakota.

Sad snow tires for one reason: They were free. My dad replaced the tires on his Pontiac, and they went on the Willys.

Had better tires later, for running on sand.
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The fire school at Maryland University did some fine, real fire training, until the EPA shut the smoke down from burning oil and gasoline.
Aw man, they shut it down? I went through that training in the early-mid 90's. Amazing amount of heat and fire. My path led me elsewhere in life, but there's a little part of me that always wanted to put the bunker gear back on. Haha!
 
Md U still runs training, just no smoky fires. I was not entirely happy to be scheduled for fire school, as I had already been in 3 burning buildings. The worst, firemen would not go into the burning electric substation because the smoke was so intense that they could not see the floor. I borrowed an airpack, went in, and opened all breakers to disconnect from the system, allowing overhead linemen to connect those feeders to other substations.
It took 2 airpacks to finish the job.
It was a standard configuration station, and I had been in that one recently. Finding my way by feel was easy. The firemen put huge blowers in the door at one end, and blew out the smoke, the fire was over, so no real work for them.
 
Very nice. Thanks for sharing.

While "Willy" is a predictable name for the vehicle, the correct pronunciation of the brand's name has been lost to history. It's actually "Willis," with a short "i", not the long "e."

WWII, the Korean War, and generations of service members changed it.
Didn’t know that about the pronunciation, I have a 1949 cj3a the same color…..
 
I learned about the "Willis" pronunciation from a YouTube video. Dad bought a 1948 CJ-2A from his cousin in 1985 with all original everything except for the rear and spare tires (as far as we could tell, the fronts remained original until 2021). We pronounced it like "Willies" all along, and I plan to continue saying it that way forever.

I learned how to drive in that Jeep when I was far too young for such pursuits, I recall the terrible removable hard top that we had for deer season and winter driving (which was thrown into a pit with the old shack it had been stored in sometime around 1992), and many great moments driving it in sickness and in health. Right up to carrying Dad's ashes to the cemetery to be interred a couple years ago. Since then, I've finished up some of the projects we started, like putting on the new tires that we ordered in 2021 and showed up at his house the day before he went to the hospital. It drives better than ever and I hope to teach at least one or two more generations how to drive by putting them behind the wheel in 4WD low range and grinning from ear to ear as they tool around the yard that my great-grandparents originally homesteaded.

That way, those future generations can also be like me and turn into a complete, shameless puddle every time they hear "Drive" by Alan Jackson or someone posts a picture of a cool old Jeep on the Internet. Thanks for the trigger, @Jim K (and others who contributed to this thread, particularly @wanttaja and his tales of Jeeping in North Dakota). If anyone needs me, I'm not crying, you're crying, and anyhow I prefer my coffee to have a few tears in it for flavor.
 
I learned how to drive in that Jeep when I was far too young for such pursuits, I recall the terrible removable hard top that we had for deer season and winter driving (which was thrown into a pit with the old shack it had been stored in sometime around 1992), and many great moments driving it in sickness and in health.
Never had a hard top for mine...again, a bit of a downer in a North Dakota winter. My first Jeep, a CJ-2A, didn't even have a heater. Usually would park the Jeep in the winter months, driving around the edge of the house and setting it on the concrete-slab patio.

Oddly enough, my second Jeep (CJ-3A) was painted an identical blue color with a nearly-identical white canvas top. Went to pick up a buddy, and he commented on how I'd added steps below the door. He sat down, noted the one-piece windshield of the CJ-3A, and said, "Hey, panoramic view." Then he got out, took a careful look, and said, "New vehicle!"

The Jeep resulted in my having what little mechanical ability I possess. Always had to work on it. My Dad was a graduate diesel mechanic, and I helped him pull the engine and rebuild the CJ-2A's engine. Reassembled it, put it back in the car...and there was a huge rattle as the engine idled. Dad cussed, and we pulled the engine again. IIRC, something hadn't been bolted tightly to the starter ring gear.

Left me to do a lot of the minor stuff. I pack the wheel bearings on my Fly Baby the same way I was taught on the Jeep, dollop of grease in the middle of the left palm, then mash the bearing into it, rotating it as I go. I had a reproduction of the WWII maintenance manual for the MB, that was a good reference. My Dad gave me a hard time about the Jeep (especially its tendency to leak oil on the driveway). The I found a picture of my grandmother (his mom) driving a Jeep in a parade in the '50s....

The local Jeep dealer still carried some parts for the CJ-2A and -3A, and, of course, there was JC Whitney.

Our CAP squadron got a group of M38A1 Jeeps (military version of the CJ-5) and I got put to work doing checkouts for my fellow cadets. Most of them could drive stick already (this WAS the '70s), but none of them had experienced foot starters before. For the young 'uns here, the Jeeps weren't started by turning a key, but by pressing a button on the floorboards (similar to the dimmer switch...oh, never mind... :). My CJ-2A had a standard modern Bendix (starter switch was just a button) but the -3A had a mechanical rig. As you pressed on the starter pedal, the pressure pushed the starter gear into place and eventually contacted the electrical switch to engage the starter. No need for a starter solenoid, just a heavy-duty switch.

Identical to what's on my Fly Baby's C-85....

Anyway, foot starters were a new thing for my fellow cadets. Easy enough to use, but I'd get them going up a steep hill, then turn the ignition off and tell them to restart the engine without rolling backwards. It required coordinating three foot pedals...the clutch, the brake, and the starter button (located to the right of the gas pedal).

Fun to coordinate, when you only have two feet.

The trick was to press the brake with the right foot, then use the left on the clutch and shift into neutral. Slide the left foot onto the brake, then use the (freed) right foot to press the starter button. Slide the right foot back into the brake, use the left foot to push the clutch, shift into gear, then blip the gas pedal with the right heel while keeping the toe on the brake, and let the clutch out slowly.

Had a couple of friends with CJ-2As, we'd go out cruising on Saturday. Hot North Dakota summer, tops down, windshields folded flat, wearing sunglasses to protect the eyes from bugs. What I remember most is the syncopated beat of three Willys Go-Devil engines as we sawed through the transmission ranges until we reached that maximum 48 MPH speed.

These vehicle were REALLY popular. I bought my CJ-2A for $650, the -3A for $850, but we all would get notes on our windshields asking if we wanted to sell. We told them what we'd paid, and were told we were crazy...they had a friend with a line on surplus Jeeps from WWII, and they were going to be importing thousands of them at dirt-cheap prices. Never happened, of course.

As the earlier picture shows, I did build a replica .50 caliber machine gun. "The Rat Patrol," of course. Even found some sand dunes near Kindred to take a good shot with some of my fellow cadets....
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The driver was one my fellow cadets. He eventually went though Army ROTC and commanded a tank unit in Germany. The guy at the gun served a hitch in the Marines, and worked his later career handling security for nuclear power stations. The guy in the passenger seat retired as a two-star Army general, a couple of years back. Curiously enough, despite CAP being an Air Force auxiliary, most of my fellow cadets ended up in the other services. I was the only one that went into the Air Force.

Needless to say, the (non-firing, of course) Browning replica was NEVER set up except in very controlled conditions. Oddly enough, years later, I owned a Volkswagen Thing, the modern version of the German "Kubelwagen" from WWII. I built a replica MG-34 for it.

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I really want a flat fender, but the examples I see seem to be rotted out garbage or pristine restored trucks for 20k.

I went to visit a friend of mine on his dairy farm in college. They had a flat fender out in the woods that hadn't run in 10 years. We pulled it out, put a battery, gas, and coolant in it, and the old flathead fired right up. We had a blast driving that thing around. I need that kind of simplicity in my life. Our fun came to an end when the battery got loose and got into the fan. I don't think it's run since lol. I need to call him and ask. It was pretty rotted out then, and that was 20 years ago.
 
I got really lucky with my Jeep. Zero rust and all original except for the alternator switched from a generator. I think I payed $3000 for it 20 years ago
 
Even found some sand dunes near Kindred
I was today years old when I learned there are natural sand dunes in ND. I guess I need to head east and spend some time in Kindred. I’ve only been to the airport.

The replica guns are a fun touch. I approve. Our Jeep only ever had one modification, a set of side rails Dad built to keep us kids from falling out when we were sitting on the rear … um, seats.

I’ll get some pictures posted sooner or later. The Willys is tucked under the wing of the J-3 at the moment. Life is good.
 
Our airport had one many years before my time here. Sold it in 90s. Still owned by a local around here, but I think he took the fire fighting apparatus off of it.
 
Thinking it’s a CJ2A. The CJ3A had a higher hood to accommodate the F head engine that started on the 53 model ?
 
Thinking it’s a CJ2A. The CJ3A had a higher hood to accommodate the F head engine that started on the 53 model ?
That's the CJ-3B. Sold a lot of the military model to Japan, you see them in Godzilla movies.

Willys quickly switched to the CJ-5 configuration to use the F head engine.

Ron Wanttaja
 
I had a CJ-5, taught my daughters to drive it around a big sandpit when they were around 10 years old. In the summer it just sported a bikini top to keep the sun off (goretex rainsuit sometimes needed), winters it had a plywood hard top that I built for it. It was my daily driver until I started doing a weekly 100 mile highway trip, then it was time to move on.
 
I flew to a local airport for breakfast last summer and saw this 2A ( I think) being a tug. Much nicer 2A than I have in my garage here at home.
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Easiest way to tell between 2a and 3a is the windshield. 2a had 2 piece, 3a had 1 piece plus vent below windshield. That windshield doesn’t look factory….
 
Don’t know the brand, but this little guy is sitting just off the road between our N GA and E TN homes:

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I may stop next time and try to ascertain the brand. Anyone care to guess?
 
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