Who has the plane?

Me me me me me me me.


That was not a response, I was just doing my singing warmups.


But if I'm pic, then me. Which might include me assigning tasks. And "STFU" could be ur task.
 
Do people really lose sleep over these kind of questions and scenarios?


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No, just a passing thought that the more I thought about, the more complex the scenario became.

You'll never really know until something happens how you or the other guy will react.

If I feel something dangerous is becoming even more dangerous and I can correct the situation, I'm gonna call for the controls. I'm not gonna ride into a smoking hole over seniority or who is PIC.

As someone previously has said...and what I'm thinking as well....at some point, self-preservation kicks in. I'd wager that no one (that could do something, or thinks they can) would sit idly by as a potentially lethal situation transpires. I'm not talking about a 747 here where tasks/roles are clearly defined. I'm talking about a 1975 C172 rented from Mom-n-Pop Airplane Rentals. Where the passengers are just going on a sight-seeing flight around town.

If I'm the only pilot in the plane, obviously, the plane is in my control. However (and perhaps a better scenario/question) what if the dude in the right seat instinctively wants to grab the controls. THAT sort of scenario, I mean.
 
I'm not talking about a 747 here where tasks/roles are clearly defined. I'm talking about a 1975 C172 rented from Mom-n-Pop Airplane Rentals. Where the passengers are just going on a sight-seeing flight around town.

If you let there be a difference, you're skipping important PIC duties.

"Kick the tires and light the fires" might sound good, but it's poor airmanship.

If you don't have CRM on your preflight checklist, add it.
 
Hypothetically speaking, its a rental.

To me, that says it all right there. I figure most rental agreements won't allow the renter to fly from the right seat, nor do they typically allow anyone to be the PIC besides the renter with the only exception being an approved CFI providing instruction.

So given MAKG's preflight routine, if the passenger isn't an approved CFI then it should be understood beforehand that PIC is the person signed out on the rental. And being PIC, that means that person is the one to answer to the FAA/NTSB. This plus the fact that the renter is the one liable for damages means he/she should be the one to put it down on the freeway. If the right-seater is an approved CFI, then the CFI will be the one to answer to the FAA/NTSB and the rental outfit so the CFI should be the one to put it down.
 
This is a conversation I have on every flight with a pilot-rated passenger. I often fly with other CFIs, ATPs, airline guys, fresh PPs, you name it. Often I'll give them stick time, but if something should happen, they have to be OK with the fact that if an abnormal situation arises, I'm taking over--no questions asked. It's my plane, a fly it a lot, I try to maintain a high level of proficiency, and I'm always anticipating an emergency--regardless of who's doing the flying. I even briefed this on a checkride with the DPE: yes it's a checkride, and yes I am PIC, but understand that if there's a REAL emergency I do not plan to relinquish the controls to you; I will ask for your help, but I will fly the plane to a safe landing. Are you OK with that?

Conversely, on my last MEI checkride a couple of years ago, the preflight briefing with the DPE went something like this: yes it's a checkride, and yes I am PIC, but understand that if there's a REAL emergency on this flight, I have full confidence in my ability to respond to the emergency but I also have 15 hours of multi PIC time and just began flying the plane two days ago; you have closer to 15,000 hours and two decades of experience; I will respond to the initial emergency but I may ask for your assistance flying the airplane, using the positive exchange of controls protocol (briefed previously). Are you willing to do that if asked?

In both cases the DPEs were agreeable to my proposition.
 
Learned that one on my first glider lesson. Now I had already solo'd a power plane so the instructor figures I'm ahead of the game so were sitting tandem in the Sweizer and about several minutes into the tow he asks me "Are you flying?" "Me? No am I supposed to be?" Here I am all fat dumb and happy enjoying the tow, it never occurred to me that I was supposed to fly until the release.

A Schweizer (2-33) on tow will pitch up and kite on the tow plane. It takes forward stick at all times. The faster the tow, the more forward pressure required. The CFI was obviously flying. Now off tow, it can go hands off for a long time. it's usually the dufus on the stick that upsets the apple cart.
 
A family friend is a 747 captain, but has almost zero experience in anything else in the past 25 years. I don't think I'd let him land my plane the first time out, but in an emergency I'd have him help me run through checklists while *I* fly the plane.

Having said that, in my training from hour 4 to hour 39, I got to fly in a 182 with a 777 captain and learned a lot about CRM and running radios.
 
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You're putting along and suddenly the fan stops spinning. Who is taking the glory of putting her down gently on the wide open freeway below? QUOTE]

Whomever the Glider pilot is!! :yes::yes:
 
I'm not sure why some think that a pilot with lots of experience in *something else* would even want to take over in an emergency.
 
I'm not sure why some think that a pilot with lots of experience in *something else* would even want to take over in an emergency.

I understand what you are writing here but IMO the person that flies the most without an engine is going to have the most experience!
 
That was also my initial reaction but then I considered that FloridaPilot could be insinuating that glider pilots might be the ones who would want to take over! :D

Maybe so, but as a glider pilot and a power pilot I don't see THAT much crossover.
 
I think that decision would have been decided when the two pilots decided who was going to be in the left seat. The exceptions would be a student/instructor scenario or maybe if someone is allowing you to fly left seat in their plane. Other than that their could be a mutual agreement after the fact. When our fan stopped I was more than happy to let my wife land while I read the checklist and looked for a safe(ish) place to set down. It can be tough for a single pilot to handle all that while flying the airplane.
 
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