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If I were to trade my Bonanza V35, I would want the following:

Air conditioning
True 4 seater (approx 400# up front and around 350 in the back two seats)
Plus another 200 pounds or so in baggage.
Minimum 150+ kts cruise

Prefer NO turbo and don't need to go to the flight levels.

What fits that bill?
 
Budget?

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My Aztec meets all of those criteria, and then some. ;)

But, I assume you prefer a single engine, so perhaps a Cirrus SR-22?
Although may be short on useful load?

You list 950 lbs total payload. Assuming minimum 400 lbs of fuel, you need 1350 lb useful load. Not sure there's a piston single out there that can do that and achieve the speed?
Cessna 206 isn't fast enough.
Maybe a Piper PA-32R, retractable Lance/Saratoga?
 
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EdFred said:
Why not a Bonanza with A/C ?
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Real life A36s are a bit short on useful load, especially if equipped with factory AC.
The G-36 is so heavy it won't even come close.
 
mwagg737 said:
Budget?

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Probably around $150k plus whatever I could get for the V35.
I used to have a Cessna 172 with the 180 upgrade and I had around 850# useful load with full fuel, but it was slow.
An A36 with AC is probably still going to have load limitations.

I was thinking along the lines of a 210.

But yeah, if my boxes are too big, then I keep the V tail. That's not really a bad thing.

I'd love to have a nice twin, but the $$$ just don't make sense and they are harder to sell, unless I use a former poster's method.
 
This may be a PoA first. A which plane thread where Bonanza isn't the answer. 210 would probably work. Saratoga/Lance is gonna be just a little shy on speed.
 
JOhnH said:
If I were to trade my Bonanza V35, I would want the following:

Air conditioning
True 4 seater (approx 400# up front and around 350 in the back two seats)
Plus another 200 pounds or so in baggage.
Minimum 150+ kts cruise

Prefer NO turbo and don't need to go to the flight levels.

What fits that bill?
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My 1971 A36 will do that. It doesn't have air conditioning though. If you want air, then upgrade to an IO-550. Gain useful load that offsets the weight of the AC. If you add tip tanks, UL jumps to 4000#. After factoring in the increased weight of the tip tanks and the AC, I'd have about a 1660# UL on my A36. That would be 1180# after full tanks. You're looking for 950# in people and cargo. What are your plans for the extra 230#? :)
 
206, 210, Saratoga, Lance
 
JEB said:
My 1971 A36 will do that. It doesn't have air conditioning though. If you want air, then upgrade to an IO-550. Gain useful load that offsets the weight of the AC. If you add tip tanks, UL jumps to 4000#. After factoring in the increased weight of the tip tanks and the AC, I'd have about a 1660# UL on my A36. That would be 1180# after full tanks. You're looking for 950# in people and cargo. What are your plans for the extra 230#? :)
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I think you mean gross weight??
 
JOhnH said:
If I were to trade my Bonanza V35, I would want the following:

Air conditioning
True 4 seater (approx 400# up front and around 350 in the back two seats)
Plus another 200 pounds or so in baggage.
Minimum 150+ kts cruise

Prefer NO turbo and don't need to go to the flight levels.

What fits that bill?
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Minus the AC a Skywagon or a 210 should do it, maybe a PA24
 
This is pretty straightforward: 210 (my preference), A36, or Saratoga/Lance are pretty much it in the single engine world. If you said just a little faster, it’d only be 210 or A36.
 
Mine is a touch slower than your 150kt req, but it ticks all the other boxes
 
AA5Bman said:
This is pretty straightforward: 210 (my preference), A36, or Saratoga/Lance are pretty much it in the single engine world. If you said just a little faster, it’d only be 210 or A36.
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I'd say 210
 
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JOhnH said:
If I were to trade my Bonanza V35, I would want the following:

Air conditioning
True 4 seater (approx 400# up front and around 350 in the back two seats)
Plus another 200 pounds or so in baggage.
Minimum 150+ kts cruise

Prefer NO turbo and don't need to go to the flight levels.

What fits that bill?
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At your $150k budget you could get a low time really nice equipped Lance with air conditioning that would have a useful load of 1300-1400. The Saratogas have less useful load than a Lance.
 
My normally aspirated 210 had a useful load of 1710 lbs, cruised at 160kts at 12.5 gph, lop. Wish I had never sold her.
 
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182RG? Can you get those with AC?

A 210 will be the load monster and are speed demons, though they are kinda cult priced (as are Bonanzas). A Lance might be the ticket here, as others have said.

Why the aversion to turbos?
 
Salty said:
Luggage for 4 people would be very close to 200 pounds if 2 are women.
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THAT, plus 4 sets of golf clubs and a case or two of adult beverages. When we travel with another couple, we usually rent a house or a large suite for about a week, and we stock it well.
 
JCranford said:
C210 all day long!
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My A36 has a 1387 Useful Load. It's getting a new modern panel at the moment. I'm hoping to gain at least 13 pounds of useful load with the new lighter avionics. That would get me to 1400# WooHoo!
 
Three words: "Cessna Two Ten".

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