Closer to $110k-120k from what I've seen. Not many well equipped ones right now.
shoot.. i just looked a a '16 SR22 for rent here at VGT and it was $435/hr
Debating with a moving target is always interesting.
You just proved and stated that it is not the same, that the old airplane cannot do everything the new one can. In some cases, a new plane may not be able to do what an old one will (best example is new Bo versus old Bo for UL).
But at the end of the day, it is a value judgement about what YOU want.
Tim
Here's a 1940s planes panel, yeah you can upgrade most any of the avionics on most anything, and still be way under the price point of a new plane, and in many times have a better airframe.
As far as some of the other stuff, most older planes are built WAAAY more robust than the newer stuff, I've had a emergency landing in a 40s plane and due to the strength and backcountry friendly gear design it didn't even damage the plane or flip, despite being soft sand
As far as "envelope protection" and "hypoxia protection" all aircraft have airspeed indicators and altimeters, so yeah, but if you're someone who doesn't pay attention you can install idiot lights and beepers in most any aircraft, I'd wager that DHC-2 panel I posted will start flashing if he gets near VNE.
Lots of professional operators also choose older airframes because some have advantages over newer stuff, look at the payload/cost of a 550ed U206 vs a new one, or look at a A185F or a DHC2, there really is no direct new replacement, and their market values reflect this.
Lots of older airframes have few ADs, are overbuilt, and have better systems for a trained pilot, good example is electric flaps in newer stuff vs manual flaps in older planes, you'll have a hard time finding a experienced aviator who wouldn't want manual flaps, heck even the cowls, new planes just have a little door to check oil and add oil, many of the older planes it opens to display the entire engine.
I question the need for hypoxia protection on a normally aspirated SR20 anyway
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what about a nice club or partnership. you're paying a FORTUNE for the flying you're doing.
That seems like an aggressive target, unless you fly for hire or your business takes you places. I fly "often" and if I get 10 hrs in a month that feels like a lot, between work and other commitments, weather, etc.
*that's the thing. Many of the features on new airplanes really don't bring you better performance than their lux high end 30 yo equivalents. I'll take a fast steam gauge plane with a 430 any day over a brand new G1000 Skyhawk with everything ticked off. A plane is a tool to get from A to B fast and safe. My wife loves how the Cirrus looks and feels, but the SR20 is not *that* fast, and she'd be happier taking a 1970s 206 if it means we can get somewhere even 20 minutes faster. And frankly, if I have to have 4 people in the plane I'm going in the 1977 Cessna 172N with the 180 conversion because it has an awesome load and in my experience flies much better when loaded up than the SR20.
Someday. The TBM700 was my first plane crush. I was still a freshman in highschool but I wrote them and they mailed me a fancy brochure and documents all about the TBM.
Where you guys getting all this loot! never mind, carry on.....
I just noticed that you are still working on your PPL - not a dig as I am also learning. However, it would seem that in about 2.5 months you will have spent more on just the Cirrus rental than most will spend on their entire PPL including instructor, plane rental, fuel and exams. Is it possible that you simply fell for the wow factor of the modern plane and avionics?
But when you open up your own hangar, pull out your own plane and can going flying when you want...worth way more than having new plane.
Exactly. I started in G1000 equipped 172 sp and it's a damn distraction. Got my own archer, it's 38 yrs old, have most avionics that I never use and I am learning a whole lot better to be a better pilot with so many distraction not there anymore. 4k for rental is throwing money out for no reason, but at the end of day, if it makes u happy to fly a cirrus, that's what matters. If I had 4k to spend a month, I would buy a used cirrus. There is no way I would spend my 4k on someone else's plane. But again, that's just meI just noticed that you are still working on your PPL - not a dig as I am also learning. However, it would seem that in about 2.5 months you will have spent more on just the Cirrus rental than most will spend on their entire PPL including instructor, plane rental, fuel and exams. Is it possible that you simply fell for the wow factor of the modern plane and avionics?
I am using my own plane to train. It is a 45yr old Cessna 182. I am now learning landings and for the first time I sometimes wish I was flying a bit lighter plane. However, I have never found myself wanting to learn in a newer plane with glass cockpit, etc. Heck, we have the tablet with on every flight and the other day I turned it off on downwind when a terrain alert went off and was too distracting. Actually, I just wish the old windshield didn't rattle at low idle and my instructor wishes the passenger side window would open. After that, its awesome...even though its almost as old as me. But it can haul a lot and climbs out like crazy! Many other older planes can do the same so this isn't just about a 182.
So, why not just rent the archer or 172 on a per lesson basis and get your PPL and save a ton of $$$$. Then rent the Cirrus and get your HP endorsement. Then evaluate which plane to use. We paid $60K for our 182P model with 1950hrs total, 850hrs to go until overhaul and only 12hrs on the top end. Interior and exterior are original...but in outstanding condition. Only one rip in the rear seat the size of a dime. Of course, the colors and interior look like they are from a 1975 Ford LTD
You know, if you just avoided that $4000/month rental for about 1 year and half you can buy a whole lot of airplane.