The difference it makes in the quality of the runoff water is substantial too.
What kind of moron traffic engineer....
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The difference it makes in the quality of the runoff water is substantial too.
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Up with yankee traffic circles, death to parking lot maze designers.
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And that they bothered to paint a U-turn on the left side left turn lane because the road isn't open toward the top of the photo.
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So.. They ripped up a 600,000 project, spent another 300 grand in engineering fees, another 400 grand to rebuild it and now it is back to the way it was for the last 60 years....
Ya just can't make this stuff up.....
God save us all from engineers...
Don't lay that crap on engineers, some politician somewhere dreamed that one up to win the bike/green vote.
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Yeah but you don't HAVE to create parking nightmares with weird maze like patterns as is popular in trendy upscale shopping plazas in the process. You can use permeable pavement with subgrade treatment and call it a day.
You all should try and plow snow from the "cute, designer parking lots..
.....It is an absolute nightmare...
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You all should try and plow snow from the "cute, designer parking lots..
Yeah, that too. And cleanup in general is difficult.
I'm sure if you offer up the difference in cost they would be happy to accommodate your wishes. Most places controlling the runoff on the surface is much cheaper.
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That was true five years ago. Now it's pretty cheap.
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At least there are traffic engineers in California... in St. Louis, we just have people who say 'Add more lanes!' followed by 'Put up a sound wall so the rich people who built their gigantic houses next to an interstate don't complain about the noise!' and the always fun 'Time those stoplights so badly nobody will ever get through them on green!'
There are some stoplights around here that when I actually do make it through on green I feel like I should go out and buy a lottery ticket. On the roads where they're timed halfway decently, every once in a while, whoever's in charge of them just decides to screw with the timing. "Oh, we have two stoplights in 100 feet on a major road? I'll just turn the first one green as I'm turning the second one red. We'll do that for about 2 weeks and then switch it back."
There are some stoplights around here that when I actually do make it through on green I feel like I should go out and buy a lottery ticket. On the roads where they're timed halfway decently, every once in a while, whoever's in charge of them just decides to screw with the timing. "Oh, we have two stoplights in 100 feet on a major road? I'll just turn the first one green as I'm turning the second one red. We'll do that for about 2 weeks and then switch it back."
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What they did with the whole 270/55/Lindbergh interchange...
Yeah... I used to drive through that every day for work and still was never quite sure if I was in the correct lane.